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One of my many projects,,
Just wondering if someone here could tell me a little about the proofs., and perhaps the caliber.

The M/S is a Model 1910. That is what is still readable on the receiver ring, the rest is gone from the curse of the claw mount base dovetail.
The barrel is a 24" long, fluted full length matted rib, slim full round bbl.
Serial number on the bbl above the wood line. Action is serial numbered (matching) on the bottom of the receiver ring.

I always assumed (wrong to do, I know) that the caliber was 9.5x56MS.
But the extra German proofs got me thinking again when I pulled it out to work on it.
On the bbl, right side, just ahead of the receiver ring:
Crown
Crown/N
9.2m/m
2.13
865

On the receiver ring left side:
Crown/N
St. m. G
N 17.6 gr.

The bbl is also hand engraved w/
H. Barella Berlin
Kgl. Kais. Hofbuchsenmacher

Is the caliber the standard M/S 9.5 or will only a chamber cast tell?
9.2 in the proof mark,,is that the bore diameter?
Nothing to really tell the cartridge in all that is there.
I take it the '13' part is 1913(?)

I'm aware of who Barella was and in this case probably the retailer of the rifle. The German proof due to the law requireing it.
I believe it was a full stock rifle judging from the wood line wear marks and faint nose cap line.

A half stock now. Cut and rounded just in front of the clevis swivel.
The rifle is a bring back souvenier from WW2 so said the 80y/o youngster from whom I bought it. He said it was his older brother that came home with it.
So a duffle bag cut on a full length stock was not out of the question.

Thanks for any info. I'll post pics as soon as I can.
I'll be doing something to fix the missing claw mount problem. Haven't decided what yet.
The rear mount left 2 holes and a slice out of the clip bridge on the left side.












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IIWY I'd check the actual bore diameters. Could be a rebarrel to 9.3x57.
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A very worthy "fixer-upper" say I. Glad it escaped the treads of our "de-Nazifying" bureaucracy back in the day!

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Kgl. Kais. would probably translate to Imperial and Royal because the Austrian Kaiser Joseph was King (Koenig), of Hungary and Emperor (Kaiser) of Austria. Hofbuchsenmacher means gunmaker to the royal court.

St. m. G means Stahl Mantel Geschoss or steel jacketed bullet. 17,6 grams corresponds to 270 grains +/- which is the standard bullet of a 9,5x57 M.-Sch. If it is a 9,5x57, try the new Nosler 260 Accubond. If it feeds OK, it should be very accurate. It is in my M1910.

2.13 would be February of 1913. 865 might mean it was the 865th proof of that month. Normally Mannlichers have a V for Vienna next to the N which makes me wonder if this was proofed in Germany.

9,2mm might well be the bore. Cerrosafe is surely the safe way to go next.

A very nice rifle.

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Hi guys, I'm Mike Ford. I finally broke down and registered on this forum.I'm really computer illiterate, so be kind.
The 9.2 is the bore diameter. 9.2 and 9.3 are common bore diameters for .375 (9.5mm)caliber rifles.
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Ford, good to see you although I'm quite puzzled by your stage name. This rifle was sourced from a mechanic in the Zella-Mehlis area. Interesting that they are still using the 1893 4000 atm proof post 1911.


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Raimey,
It means The American. This is what they refered to me as in Walter Grass' shop.Anyway, I thought for a long time you were a woman named Ellen, and I'm atill confused by Axel's.
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I know what it means, just wasn't sure who hung that millstone. What a laugh; call me ellen.

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I like the Mannlicher but then I have a soft spot for butter knife bolt handles. It would have been very nice to have seen it in its full Mannlicher stock, but it is what it is, eh. I do have a question about it. Being quite new to the study of German/Austrian rifles I am learning something every day. What is with the full length rib on top of the barrel? I don't recall having ever seen that.


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Kutter if he still has it. I did know where there was a full mannlicher stock in very decent shape for the 1910. If interested PM me. Whitey

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