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What makes you think the same guy engraved the whole gun ? If so, quite a bit different than in other places guns were made.

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Originally Posted By: obsessed-with-doubles
Regarding the engraving, it looks to me like it is cut real deep, much deeper than you see on most guns.
It almost looks carved, and it reminds me of the work Barre did on some Purdeys.
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OWD, the engraving is somewhat sculpted and to my eyes gives it depth and softness not usually seen. The gold you see on the right side near the knuckle is original. Evidently he overlayed the engraving with some sort of gold wash. Any ideas, Raimey? Here's a closeup of the breech pin area on the 16:



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I don't know about the whole of the gun without close examination. But it seems to be free-hand with the scroll or vines crossing in one of the duo. But I'd say the jadg/game scenes were by the same individual.

Was it typical to farm certain locations of the engraving to different craftsmen?

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Greetings. I know my eyes are old so I could be mistaken but I see circular scratches in the chokes. Maybee a cleaning rod on the end of a Black & Decker with some emory paper. Aside from that it is one fine sxs. Would love to put my hands around it and admire it for a few hours.


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Ken more than likely will have a better handle on the gold wash if he has seen one in high condition or it might be a pertinent question for master engraver Fredrik Frühauf in Suhl: http://www.gebrueder-fruehauf.de/ . But if I were to garner a guess, I would say it was typical in the Victorian era. Would a sportsman of the U.S. of A. have order it in that state? Anyone seen similar examples post 1900?

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Originally Posted By: Joe Wood
Raimey, what I find so very interesting about the gentleman who engraved these guns is apparently he cut it free handed. That is, I don't think he even laid out a design on the metal but had it in his mind and with total freedom proceeded to cut it. Probably something he had done for so many years it became easier to engrave on a blank sheet than to follow some layout or formal dictates. It's really refreshing to see an art work that is so relaxed yet each segment complimenting the other. The work of a genius.


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I'm curious as to how you can tell that the gun was engraved without transferring a pattern before the engraving began. There is no way that I can tell if he used a pattern or sketched the primary design on the gun before he started. It is true that if an engraver has executed the same design over and over on the same type of gun he or she can sometimes just start cutting with no layout but on a gun of this complexity I doubt that even a master (as this engraver undoubtedly was)would start cutting without scribing in the spirals and banners.

It appears to me that the whole gun was engraved by the same hand however one must keep in mind that in Suhl an engraver's training was rigidly controlled so that when working in a particular style or to a specific pattern, one engraver's work looked a lot like another. In the UK and the US it was common for several engravers to work on the parts of a particular gun at the same time. The gun in question, however doesn't look like that to me.

FWIW, the style of scrollwork on both guns is known to Suhl engravers as "grund Englisch." In Austria they refer to it as "Neuenglishe Arabesken." What, English speaking engravers call "English scroll" is known to Suhl engravers as "druck Englisch" and to Ferlach engravers as "altenglische arabesken."

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Originally Posted By: ellenbr
Ken more than likely will have a better handle on the gold wash if he has seen one in high condition or it might be a pertinent question for master engraver Fredrik Frühauf in Suhl: http://www.gebrueder-fruehauf.de/ . But if I were to garner a guess, I would say it was typical in the Victorian era. Would a sportsman of the U.S. of A. have order it in that state? Anyone seen similar examples post 1900?

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Raimey,
I would agree that if anyone can tell who engraved the gun in question and all of the details it would be Hendrik Frühauf. As well as being one of the most skilled engravers of my aquaintence, I consider him the formost authority on the subject of German gun engravers. He has amassed a most impressive collection of records and pulls from deseased German engravers.

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