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Hey guys. I wanted to introduce myself. To make a long story short, I have been shopping for an o/u for the past year or longer. I have been reading everything I could online, magazines, etc. While at first I thought I would be interested in sporting clays only (as I have enjoyed myself when I have participated), I see myself becoming more interested in upland bird hunting.
So I traveled two hours to a nice gun shop in MS to see some of these guns in person, with the intent of looking at O/Us. Well, to be honest, the gun that made the biggest impression on me was their Winchester Model 21 20 gauge. Now, thats out of my price range, but it did open my eyes up to the world of the SxS. I have been lurking on this forum this week, re-reading my shooting sportsman magazines, and the lone issue of the DGJ I picked up last year.
I can't shake the feeling of how good that Winchester Model 21 felt. It just seemed....perfect. But now I am interested in learning more about the vintage American SxS makers, so bear with me if I ask any dumb questions. Thanks again for the great forum.
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Jamie H
Welcome to the forum
Mike
USAF RET 1971-95 ![[Linked Image from jpgbox.com]](http://www.jpgbox.com/jpg/57865_80x60.jpg)
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If God had meant us to shoot O/U's, She would have positioned our eyes vertically. If She was thinking single barrels, we would all be Cyclops.
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can't shake the feeling of how good that Winchester Model 21 felt. It just seemed....perfect. Well that's what guns do. They sing there siren song on the show room and then turn on you in the field!!!  Welcome to the forum. 
Dodging lions and wasting time.....
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Hi Jamie,
Welcome to the board!
Ive put together this important canned advice for members new to SXSs to help save them time, money, ammo, and frustration.
Many vintage SXSs have far different stock dimensions than modern guns. Modern guns typically have 1.5 drop at the comb, 2.5 drop at the heal and a 14 Length of pull. Vintage SXSs, particularly vintage American SXSs, will typically have 3-3.5s drop at the heal. This steep drop will cause the average shooter to consistently shoot under his target. Its a good idea to take the shotgun that you currently shoot the best and measure its stock dimensions and then find a SXS with similar dimensions. Typically, with American SXSs (but not all) the more modern the gun, the more likely it will have modern shooting dimensions. If you have access, its a good idea to meet with a professional stock fitter and find out what stock dimensions fit you best. Again, money well spent in saving time, ammo, and frustration.
When you get your SXS, check it for point of impact. To learn where your gun is shooting, put up a large sheet of cardboard (a nice sized piece from an appliance box is good) draw five small black circles on the cardboard, one near each corner and one in the center, and then step back 50 feet. Starting in low gun position, smoothly bring your gun up to your shoulder and quickly shoot at one of the circles, just as youd shoot at a bird or a clay target starting from the low gun position. Repeat four more times shooting a fresh circle each time. Do you note a consistency as to where the shot is hitting the paper in relationship to the circle? That is your guns point of impact. With this knowledge you can either adjust your stock (by having it bent) or adjust your shooting view to compensate.
I hope you find this is information to be useful.
Steve
Last edited by Rockdoc; 03/01/12 12:00 PM.
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can't shake the feeling of how good that Winchester Model 21 felt. It just seemed....perfect. Well that's what guns do. They sing there siren song on the show room and then turn on you in the field!!! Welcome to the forum. They also empty your wallets! But hey, ya can't take it with you.
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Hi Jamie. Welcome to this board.
If you liked the feeling of that Win 21 20ga, you should look at the BSS 20ga. They have a very similar feel to me. I favor the 28" long barrels of the BSS vs. the shorter 26" BSS. But both work well for me. The BSS is available in both straight (English) stock and pistol grip stock. They are all over the internet gun sales sites and typically run under $2000.
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So many guns, so little time!
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Rockdoc-Thanks for the info! Very helpful!
Chuck- I'm gonna check those out for sure. Thanks for the advice.
Thanks for the warm welcome guys.
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If you liked the 21, you may like these. They are practically clones of a 21 with the long receiver bar and gun configuration. Very well made, but to find one in 20 ga. might take a while. The ad mentions Matador, but it is a Higgins 100 made by the highly respedted AyA company. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=275348799.
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