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Mike, I don't think the gun is a W&R, although the treatment on the fences matches very closely to a W&R first quality. However, I believe all the W&R's were third fastener (rib extension) guns--all screw grips, I think--which this one is not.
Larry, Quite possibly it isn't, but a similar model from the P. Webley line built on the Rogers action. Crawford and Whatley refer to the Roger model which is similar to the W&R, available in the same grades, but without the rib extension. The Monte Carlo B guns were switched to the Rogers action in 1897 after the merger, which would explain the identical pin arrangement noted above.
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Gosh, you need to be rocket scientist to sort all this out!
I am glad to be here.
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And the sad part is most that replied can't even see what they are talking about.....
(10 bucks says Larry comes back with the last word)
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Gosh, you need to be rocket scientist to sort all this out!  It is a lot easier than looking like Brad Pitt.
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Gosh, you need to be rocket scientist to sort all this out! It is a lot easier than looking like Brad Pitt. Ain't that the truth! Looking at an action and comparing things like pin and screw placement, presence or absence of a 3rd fastener, etc, definitely isn't rocket science. But it can give you a good clue as to which other guns from the same maker used the same action. Doesn't mean they're all the same quality or price, because "bespoke" meant you could request different engraving, etc. But it gives you a better starting point than if the gun is obviously built on a different action.
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And the sad part is most that replied can't even see what they are talking about.....
(10 bucks says Larry comes back with the last word) Pay up Mike.... (Want to go double or nothing ?)
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Scott frequently proofed their higher grade guns in London to give them the cachet of a 'London' proof and possibly to help them sell a little better out of their London showroom,however out of six Premiers I have owned,only two have had London proofs,the rest being B'ham proofs ,including an Imperial that I still have,made in 1892.The sidelock 16 ga.in this discussion loks to have the same sidelocks as the model 180 ,also,but of course,much superior engraving. Marcus
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There was a DGJ article a few years ago on that lockup system and Scott guns in general. Maybe someone with the magazines and an index handy can give you the correct issue. Seems like Sherman Bell wrote it in his English guns series...Geo
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I'm guessing it's a 10 ga. (Larry should be along shortly to catalog it for us ) .
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