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I can leave out the banter, but the gun looks lovely. That rose scroll engraving has such a quality look about it.

Cataloged or non-cataloged, they ain't gonna redesign an action just to build a gun, custom made or not. And it's not that hard to identify features of a particular action, if you have photos to look at. (Guns in hand would be better, but a lot more difficult.) The Imperial Premier is cataloged, and this gun certainly does not come up to that standard. Nor a Premier, if one regards "stocked to the fences" as an important distinguishing feature of a British "best" sidelock--which seems to be the way they looked at things.

But it's still a very nice gun.

Gentlemen, I have just returned from Vegas and perhaps can add some info to the "discussion". The gun in question has the identical pin placement as my Scott Monte Carlo B pigeon gun, circa 1910. The treatment of the fences is also a feature that I have seen on other Scott built guns sold by other "makers". The gun has been finished/engraved to a high standard and shows the quality of Scotts workmen regardless of what model it may have been.

I'd say not Larry the side lock Premiers run from 20 to 30 thousand.

The Monte Carlo B cost 44 pounds in 1914. That's the same listed price as a Webley & Rogers 4th quality (which was also a nice gun). Scott actually made a couple boxlocks with higher listed prices in 1914. Of course if the buyer of this gun requested special engraving or other extras, that could mean a substantial price increase.

This gun is way above a Monte Carlo B grade ...(Larry you might need new glasses)

Then, as now, you picked your model and dressed it up to suit your tastes and your budget. In this case maybe beauty is only skin deep....

The fences are characteristic of the Webley and Scott W&R guns. Their best grade in that series was the London Pattern gun (the WLP) which retailed for about 50% more than the higher grade of the Monte Carlo Bs. (MCBs were produced in two different grades.) This isn't the London Pattern gun, but looks like perhaps the best grade W&R, which retailed for about 30% more than the higher grade MCBs. These guns came out of the P. Webley and Son line but could be branded as W & C Scott and Sons after the merger.

And you need to learn to read, Joe--with or without glasses. The poster above says pin/screw placement is the same as on a Monte Carlo B. Looking at a good closeup of a Monte Carlo B pigeon gun and the photos of this one, I agree: pins and screws are a dead match. Doesn't mean it IS a Monte Carlo B, but it does mean there's a very good chance the guns use the same action. So, you add more engraving (which a customer could order), maybe nicer wood, and you end up with a gun that costs a lot more than a standard Monte Carlo B.

Mike, I don't think the gun is a W&R, although the treatment on the fences matches very closely to a W&R first quality. However, I believe all the W&R's were third fastener (rib extension) guns--all screw grips, I think--which this one is not.

Must've cleaned your glasses....




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