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Knowing what I know about the characteristics of powders, I have, for many years, used modest quantities of Red Dot for light ten gauge loads, without technical reference. I don't know why our heroes of big bore loading continue to use and recommend expensive and hard to access powders for light ten gauge loads.
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After what you guys have been saying, I went out to the garage and dug around in boxes of my Father's old loading stuff and found the Ideal Handbook No. 38 from 1951, and low and behold, it shows a 28-gauge load of 16 grains of Hercules Red Dot and 5/8 ounce of shot. Also on the bottom of the page it shows 7 grains and 5/8 ounce of shot for a 2 1/2 inch .410-bore hull. I'd bet that should really be 3/8 ounce. Our old buddy "Long Range" down in Pocatello gave me this box of Red Dot loads several years ago -- 
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In the early '60s we used 23 grains of Red Dot for our standard 1 1/8 oz. Trap/Skeet loads in paper hulls, When plastic hulls were introduced in '64, we had to drop back to 18 grains for the same load.
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Hi:
Those old loads from the 50's were intended to be fired with components of the day. There is a huge difference between the components and loading data from them and the contemporary components. There is now way that one can use the old data to load with present day components!
Are you loading paper shells with fibre and cardboard wads?
Best of luck,
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Perhaps Red Dot then was a slightly different formulation.
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Yeah Don, that was exactly the load I started with when I was shooting Trap at the old Seattle Skeet & Trap Club while I was in college in the mid-1960s. A Federal paper hull, Federal primer, 23 grains of Red Dot, a nitro card and two Felton Blue Streak wads and 1 1/8 ounces of shot. But, the reduction in powder didn't come with plastic hulls, it came with the replacement of the nitro card wad with the little PGS (Plastic Gas Seal) wad. That dropped the charge to 18-grans for 1200 fps.
Dave
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By the way, the little Winchester box of 28s went for just under three grand.
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Geez! Just think what they would have cost if they had been loaded with Bismuth! Lagopus.....
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Yeah Don, that was exactly the load I started with when I was shooting Trap at the old Seattle Skeet & Trap Club while I was in college in the mid-1960s. A Federal paper hull, Federal primer, 23 grains of Red Dot, a nitro card and two Felton Blue Streak wads and 1 1/8 ounces of shot. But, the reduction in powder didn't come with plastic hulls, it came with the replacement of the nitro card wad with the little PGS (Plastic Gas Seal) wad. That dropped the charge to 18-grans for 1200 fps.
Dave Well, for us it was all about the same time, give or take a day or two. ;^)
Ole Cowboy
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