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Just got a Winchester 21 with a 32" inch barrels and a single trigger.I want to make it a sporting clay gun.I think it's a good start and want to know were to go need.should I restock it to more up to date demotions .what do you think .
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What do you think "up to date dimensions" should be that it does not already have?
It will be a good clays gun left just to way it is.
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I think you've had a nip based on your spelling and sentence structure. Whatever. If it's a 21 Duck, the l.o.p. is 13 5/8", and unless you're 5'6" tall, it is too short. What dimensions do you normally shoot? A good set of measurements for a lot of us guys is a 14 1/2"-14 3/4" l.o.p., 1 1/2"x 2 1/4" drop. Lots of variables, according to your build and how you mount the gun.
Shoot a flat of shells through it first and see how you do before assuming it needs changing. If you cannot hit anything, then it's time to see a reputable gun fitter. Good luck. 21's make great SC guns.
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I thought many of the 21s were custom ordered?
Still, an investment of restocking a 21 is costly and a guy should know if a gun fits him or not. If you don't know, you need to be seeking the likes of a fitter.
Just my 2˘, but I find LOP to be acceptable over a range of length. I also find that I can quicken or slow a gun's swing with LOP change.
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I thought many of the 21s were custom ordered? Many were, but most weren't.
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Back to the original questions: To get some advice on modifying your 21 into a suitable sporting gun, we would have to know what the chokes and stock dimensions are now.
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Barrel demotions would include choke tubes and porting.
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It's a perfect candidate for "drilling out" the barrels.
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Sorry about the bad spelling and bad sentence structure.That's what two beers and an Ipad will get you.Anyway the gun is a duck model.It has the 32" barrels and are choked .30 in both barrels.I shoot a Beretta dt10 most of the time with mod,so i don't mind the tighter choke.
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I would...
1) do whatever I had to do to get the dimensions perfect. That could be as simple as a recoil pad to get the LOP close. Close on the short side is good enough. Close on the long side is an abomination. A Beartooth comb riser kit will make the gun competition ready, if not very pretty. It's a wonderfully serviceable but non-invasive solution should your flirtation end prematurely. It also allows you plenty of latitude to play with comb heights until you know exactly what you want/need. Since you're asking about dimensions, you obviously don't know yet and any but the minimum investment would be foolish.
2) make sure the safety is manual...non-automatic. Or disable it altogether. Open the chokes to the same in both barrels. If you're bound to be forever a "fun shooter", a pair of LM's would be good. If you contemplate competitive clays, a pair of Mods would be better. Some would suggest more open, but LM will allow you the benfit of shooting 7/8 and 1 ounce loads and rarely, if ever, chambering 1& 1/8 ounce. A pair of Mods should negate the use of 1 & 1/8 ounce entirely. I shoot a pair a bit tighter than that and never question them for FITASC, bunker trap and long bird games.....nor non-registered skeet, for that matter.
3) why 2 of the same chokes in a dblgun? First, consider how many superb clays shooters don't feel disadvantaged at all with a single choke in an autoloader. Second, consider that, outside of skeet and trap where all the targets are taken within a fairly narrow range of distance, choke is always a compromise. Seldom do you have the ideal choke for both targets in sporting clays. Having 2 chokes with anything less than 10 difference between the two is just silly. With a difference of 10 or more points, you'll be agonizing over which one to use for which target and sure enough you'll be calling for the targets wondering if one is too open and the other too tight. Better to have 2 that are always enough, without ever thinking about it. Twiddling with choke tubes and barrel selectors is a distraction. Mental focus is a scarce commodity on the clays course; gadgets don't help.
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