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Does anyone own this gun and what is your impression of its handling and shooting?
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I don't but I believe the Empire grade was near the top for the boxlocks.
They can be really nice.
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It was among least expensive sxs guns they have made. The action itself is one of the simplest ever made with very few parts. How good they were I can't really say as I never owned one.
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I picked one up a few years ago very cheap. It is a c.1892 with Damascus barrels, 12 ga. 2 1/2" chambers with 27 1/8" barrels, weighs 6 lbs. even. Chokes are .009-imp cyl. and .034 lt. full. Mine has 24 lpi checkering and has a checkered butt plate. A delightful gun to carry in the field. This gun is listed as a 16 guinea, Facile Princeps F16.
Now if I could only get used to the side safety.
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The gun I am referring to is the E-grade, which I believe only began to be made after 1900, and only with steel barrels. My intended use involves carrying it in the swamp, and also it would be no stranger to pit blinds and boats, not good places for a collector. And it must handle 1 1/4 ounce loads.
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You'll need to find something else to handle 1 1/4oz loads. I'd imagine this gun has 2 1/2" chambers.
I have a Cogswell and Harrison heavy 12 bore 1904 3" chambered, 32" barrels, I'd shoot 1 1/4 oz through it with handloads, not high brass US shells. I'd get a rem 870 for the swamp, not a nice gun like the E-grade Greener, but as they say, it's your gun and your money.....
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Empire grades were made with long chambers as well. The question is whether an example of Greener's lowest grade has "stood the test of time". I get to find out as a 1913 vintage is arriving in a few days for inspection.
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I don't own one, but have given thema look see. They are not a high grade gun, but will shoot a reasonable numberof shells, given design pressure and recoil. The models you are looking for will be a fowler and will handle like a fowler; 7 3/4#, balance to trigger of 5"-6", unmounted swing effort of around 2.25, and mounted swing effort of maybe 9 to 10.
Let us know how you like it when it arrives.
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Double Gun Journal, Volume four, issue 3 Autumn 1993, "The Life, Times and Rebirth of Greener Empire Gun # 63419".
Simply a wonderful article on a gun with much family history, including sealing with no doubt potent loads.
Best,
Ted
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I did own one once. It was a plain non-ejector model with 2 3/4" chambers and 32" tightly choked barrels. Empire guns were plain with a lot of parts being machine made. The model was first patented in 1910. Over 17,000 were made between then and 1965. Some had 3" chambers and some were ejector models. Good solid guns that were mainly made for export. Somewhere, just had a lok and can't find it at the moment, I have an original advertisement leaflet for one. Lagopus.....
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