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Hello again Gentlemen
I am ready to post some pics of this side by side.All I need now is to know how lol.I have the pics on Picasa and are ready to up load need to know where they need to go ??.Thanks in advance Roy
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Wish I could be of more help Robert, but here's a better image of the maker's mark  Someone here will ID it for you.
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At a quick glance the fuzzy marks are post July 30th, 1897 Paris preliminary marks and subsequent final proof marks with L Bernard's makers mark. I'd guess it was fabricated in Paris. The brace of crowned sailboat in a shield may note re-enforced proof of longarm.
The encircled EP is a Paris mark and not Pieper in this case. Brace usually denotes re-enforced proof of tube.
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Nice catch Raimey. You are correct of course.
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I concur with Raimey,the E.P.in a circle is a Paris mark For reinforced proof.As a matter of interest,This mark appears On a French sidelock by H.Faure Le Page,with barrels by Bernard. Confimation of the barrel maker is verified because the barrel flats are stamped;"Leopold Bernard Cannonier A.Paris."
Roy Hebbes
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Good morning Gentlemen
First I want to thank all who as given me this info it is greatly appreciated.If I may inquire some more,is there any way to confirm the maker of this long arm??.I can only assume by looking at pics,this gun looks to be made by Le page it resembles
the pics in many ways,the number one in gold depicts one of a set
I would assume.That number looks very similar to the numbers on the pictures I have seen of his work.Again thanks in advance of all your help Roy Rogers
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Couple points: First, I see a 2 3/4, which tells me the gun's chambers have likely been lengthened, probably in the States. French chamber length often isn't marked, but if it is--other than on guns specifically made for export--the mark would be 70MM for a 2 3/4" gun. Also, the proof was with smokeless powder M (the PM mark), which means the gun could be no more recent than 1914. Since that date, only smokeless powder T (PT) has been used for proof.
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Rene Leclerc and Bertrand Germain Leopold Bernard (1832-1867) were barrel makers in Paris in the early 1800s. Bernard's gun and barrel making factory ceased operation in 1890. http://www.littlegun.info/arme%20francaise/artisans%20a%20b/a%20bernard%20leopold%20gb.htmI believe Geno posted this Matska with fluid steel Bernard barrels, but I don't know the date of production  It's possible someone like E. Heuse-Lemoine could have purchased the name. Here's another Matska, with HL barrels and the marks are very similar 
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