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My books are still packed away.

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In this picture, can you identify the patent mark on the left side of the action flat?

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All London but can't say on the patent.

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Raimey

Crowned V and GP are London proof per Nigel Brown's Volume Two.

Age? "Not For Ball" is not present, so prior to its use?

Hi MIke, I'm thinking the J.P. is James Purdey and and other is
W.& C. Scott so we have two patents,a Scott spindle with the Purdey double underbite. Pre-1875. JMHO
Terry

Thanks Terry.

I forgot the double underbites were a Purdey patent.

I have been playing with black rifles the last few years and my memory for proofs was never very good.

I'm heading in the other direction. The absence of the "not for ball" and the 12b and/or 14 on the flats make me think it is not in the pre-1875 window, but rather on the other side of the 1875-1887 threshold. If I knew more about what I was looking at, who was alleged to have made it, etc, I'd be more confident.

Pre-1875? Weren't they still beating each other with clubs at that point?

All jokes aside, how many breechloading guns existed in Great Britain pre-1875? Lang had a patent. Lefacheau (sp?) although French, may have licensed something. Manton? Purdey?

Odds have to be in favor of a later date unless you explain that this a pinfire or something else in the novel/interesting category.

Low patent use numbers lead me to agree with Terry.

Not sure when "Not For Ball" came in but I have a Mortimer with a definite date of 1881 with similar proof marks. It does not have then "Not For Ball" designation either.