doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com A legal question about FFL shippment and transfer

The receiving FFL does NOT require any ID from the shipper by law. He does need ID from the buyer as that is his function to insure that a legal recipient gets the gun. YOU should want an ID from the seller because YOU are on the mark, not the FFL if you are clean, if there is a problem with the gun later and any seller that would refuse that request should be sent to look for another buyer.

If the ambiguous mf'ing BATF would just make things clear ONE TIME it would sure make things easier for everyone, them included
And that's not JMO that's a simple fact

you might want to look at this page
http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/regulations/

Dr.WtS

The inclusion of any documents not required for the legal transfer of a firearm (IMO) just muddies up the water even more.
If a proof of ID is not specifically required,then then no laws are broken, nor are you exposing yourself to liability.

The receiving/refusing FFL SHOULD return it directly to the unsuccessful seller. It's still his gun, no transfer having been made.

The law is not that clear.As a dealer we have to be able to provide from where the gun came from and where it has gone.A copy of the senders id is good proof of where it came from.Every agent that inspects you has a different extirpation of the law. If you have ever been of the receiving end of an ATF gun trace you want to cover your butt.Having all the documentation you can really helps.
The seller should be glad to provide anything you ask for,unless he is hiding something.He is the one making the money,not the trans dealer.

This reminded me of one problem we had.The seller sent the gun for transfer,the buyer came in to get it and refused to pick it up,because it was not in the shape he thought it was to be.Ok ,we told him to tell his seller to refund his money and pay for the shipping back.The seller refused.The buyer wouldn't pay for the shipping back until he was refunded in full.After about two weeks of trying to get someone to do something with the gun the buyer and the seller worked it out and the gun went back.All this for $20.00.

$20 bucks (more like $30 around here), times however many transfers you do. No floorplan interest, no investment but what you already have on hand. Transfers are pretty good business if you ask me. Most of'em are clean as a whistle....Geo

Kittery has changed their policy or someone didn't know it. I sold a Remington Sendero, and M1A and a couple of shotguns over the years to folks in Maine. All were transferred through Kittery, from me as a private individual.

FWIW - I usually take the copy of the FFL sent to me by the dealer and photocopy it with my drivers license below it on the same sheet of paper. That way I keep his copy for my records and he can see that the person he sent it to is the one sending the gun.

C'mon guys, I'm as or more paranoid as the next guy, but this isn't where the BATFE is going to show up on your door. Hell I have purchased guns in at least a dozen states while traveling and probably another dozen via internet sales. I know I have owned over 300 guns in the last 25 years. I have so much paperwork out there, someone would go nuts trying to wade through it.

pawnbroker is as close to fact as you're going to get here.

Everyones the expert except the guys who is risking his livelyhood, and you think he is making a killing at $20?
I wouldn't do these kinds of tranfers for $100, I don't do them at all...

In New Jersey it costs me a $75 fee to the FFL. Plus NICS fee plus 7% tax is about $94.

It is steep. However, I have no other convenient place to go for the transfer.

I would never ask anyone to "risk his livelihood". I DO expect them to abide by the actual ATFE rules and NOT make up their own, for any reason!