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Double rifle made for Sosnovsky in Warsaw. This is second rifle with straight grip made for Sosnovsky, the first rifle I saw made by Defourny-Sevrin.
There is two diamond marks with something inside I can't recognize. Ring any bells?

http://s52.radikal.ru/i135/1007/a6/ad6edcf29252.jpg

I don't know, but I've always wondered about those European guns with their 25 stampings they put on barrels.

It's like "We are very concerned about barrels strength, so we will require they all be pressure tested. Then, we will put a bunch of stampings on the metal to help weaken it and cause possible problems."

You think stamps would weaken barrel strength? Intersting.
What I saw by my eyes second upper guide of wide ejectors, more accurately the hole along chambers for this guide weakens this area a lot. Similar holes in chambers for pins of Darne's do the same.
Engineering errors.

Geno:
The sound is like one big thud. I don't know to whom it might belong, but it is a forge mark that pairs with the "Krupp Stahl", Krupp Steel, stamp. Thanks for the pic and I'll add it to the list. I think the dual stamp is for a multiple effort on the example and it tracks compensation as well as liability. Maybe a tube maker who cottoned to oak leaves? A general consensus is that there were a couple of talley books, one for each craftsmen who added effort to an example and one for the gunmaker/contractor who got the order and subed the work out. So one of my questions for now is what was the frequency of the payment for services: 1 week, bi-weekly, once a month?

Early on there was some schools of thought that the stamps might question the integrity of the steel, but I think proof test proved otherwise. Besides the proofmarks, the other marks note the effort of individual craftsmen in the overall effort for the example. Sort of like a completed work-order on the gun. Now if we had the work order, we just might make some headway. And it may be that the paper work order was an aid to the overall contractor in keeping the talley.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Geno:
It may be the "K" in a rhombus, or rotated square, stamp. Hard to tell without some staring. Any idea of the Omega stamp?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

1933


1929

(not my translation...)
graphic art is from calendar about hunting "Kalendarz my¶liwski na 1929 rok"

translation:

Fabryka i sk³ad broni p. f. "J. Sosnowski w Warszawie" istnieje od roku 1861 i prowadzona jest od pocz±tku swego istnienia przez specjalistów rusznikarzy.

Factory and shop from weapons p. f. "J. Sosnowski in Warsaw" exists from year 1861 and driven is from beginning one's own existences by specialists of gunsmiths.


Obecny w³a¶ciciel Czes³aw Lisowski jest mistrzem Cechu Rusznikarskiego którego 35-cioletnia ci±g³o¶æ pracy fachowej w rusznikarstwie, daje mo¿no¶æ zastosowania w strzelbach najnowszych ulepszeñ i wynalazków z dziedziny rusznikarstwa, oraz udzielania rad i wskazówek przy wyborze broni,

Present owner Czes³aw Lisowski is master of guild gunsmiths of which 35-cioletnia continuity of professional work in gunsmith, gives possibility of use in guns latest improvements and of inventions from sphere gunsmith, and of giving glad and of advices at choice weapons


Strzelby znajduj±ce siê w sk³adzie broni p.f. "J. Sosnowski w Warszawie" pochodz± z pierwszorzêdnych fabryk, wykonane s± na specjalne zamówienia firmy, co jest zaznaczone na lufach (Fait pour la maison J. Sosnowski a Varsovie).

Guns being found in composition of shop from weapons p.f. "J. Sosnowski in Warsaw" originate from first-class factories, executed are on special orders of firm, what is marked on barrels ( Fait pour la maison J. Sosnowski a Varsovie).


Strzelby te precyzyjnie wykonane, poddawane s± specjalnym próbom, na co posiadaj± odpowiednie dokumenty, daj± zupe³n± gwarancje doskona³o¶ci strza³u i d³ugoletniej wytrzyma³o¶ci.

Guns these precyzyjnie executed, surrendered {subjected} are to special tests {attempts}, on what possess suitable documents, give complete guarantees of excellence of shot and of long standing endurances.


Firma "J. Sosnowski w Warszawie" w zupe³no¶ci gwarantuje za ka¿d± sprzedan± broñ na ¿±danie do³±cza gwarancje pi¶mienn±.

The firm "J. Sosnowski in Warsaw" in wholenesses warrants too every sold weapons on demand adds guarantees literate.


Pete

Interesting, Peter. Does he admit that he sources?

Geno:
Are the full monty of German proofs on the DR? Does the DR date to the range Peter supplied? Any indication it passed thru the Suhl or Zella-Mehlis proofhouse, or other German?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Something to keep in mind when dealing with posters who don't live in our culture and who may not be aware of our idioms etc. Raimey, do you think that Geno knows what you mean by your "full monty" expression? If he does then I'm very impressed!
Until recently I worked for Halliburton in an office full of people from all over the world, a really great bunch of people I might add. However, trying to tell a joke or using slang terms would invariably earn you raised eye brows and questioning looks. And these were people who had lived in the US for some time and who could speak English very well.
I'm just trying to help, enough said.
Steve

Steve, I know what The Full Monty means.
By other words in this context it means 'the full set of German proof marks'