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No doubt, there are plenty of examples of Ithaca guns exhibiting change overs. Often frames, lock up, pins, barrel steel, engraving, etc. have been blended to use up inventory. I just happened to find this one while laughing at the "rare" comment.... till I looked at the pics, or are there others?

http://www.ivorybeads.com/site/default.a...&FSID3=2801

No, I do not own the gun, nor did I sell it. I'd be out shooting birds if my dog didn't have a hole through her foot.
Just another aficionado.

It sounds like your trying to promot some interest in the gun because the question. But if not, the commit, rare, IMO, is because of the early engraving combined with the minty condition. Those combined do give it a rare qualitity.

tim

Their text says 1913, but the serial number table in Walter's book says 1914. The early 1915 Ithaca catalogue still shows the No. 1 1/2 with the zig-zag border engraving, and by mid-1915 Ithaca magazine ads show the new bold floral engraving --



At any rate it appears to be SOLD, and does seem to be a very interesting transition gun. The early 1915 Ithaca Catalogue only offers the No. 1 1/2 with Damascus barrels, but the mid 1915 magazine ad offers Damascus or Krupp.

I like it; not "Ideal" but interesting.

Hi Tim, as I said, I'm not the owner, seller, buyer, or dealer. As Dave noted, the gun has been sold.
Thanks for looking Dave. Have you ever seen another 12 with Krupp tubes, rolled engraving, the "zig-zags", and the hand floral engraving on the trigger plate? And please, take another look. That floral is not typical.
Looks like Walt was here and gone without comment. I wonder if he noticed the thread.

The gun obviously sold because of the condition and maybe a secondary reason may have been a scarce engraving pattern for the grade. It is a wonderful looking gun and regardless of why it sold, it sold.

I think it unusual to have scroll on the bottom but not the sides. Nice piece.

My 1 1/2 was made in 1913 and has the same type of engraving of the Ivory beads gun. Mine is built on the small narrow 16-20 ga frame which is nice and unusual. It also has beautiful damascus 28" barrels and an Ivory and brass bead. It has been my favorite quail gun

Here is how the No. 1 1/2 was pictured up through the early 1915 catalogue --



This picture is actually out of the Fox & Crows catalogue believed to be 1912-13.

Stallones, if you have a similar gun, would you be willing to share a picture of the side and the floor plate? I can post them if need be.
At first glance, the I-B gun doesn't seem so unusual. The frame does have the point engraved at the rear of the frame... but the engraving does not outline the frame. It also has some extra scroll. The breech ball engraving is different. The floor plate looks amazingly similar to an Ideal grade Smith. It's not like other 1 or 1&1/2's that I own or have seen. Maybe I just haven't looked at enough of them. That's what I'm trying to figure out.
I have an interest in early engravers and their connections to different gun companies. Hope to put something together in the future on the subject.
I just thought that a few Ithaca fans might like to add the pics to their own files while still available.
Thanks for the responses, everyone.