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If there's anyone one this forum who doesn't believe that this is just another attempt by the liberal left to ban hunting just look at the list of those opposing this ban at the bottom. Not ONE Democrat. And if you Senator ISN'T on this list email them and ask them why.
Jim




Senators Oppose Ammo Bans in National Parks
NEWTOWN, Conn. – In a letter to Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, 13 senators detailed their concerns about the impact a ban on traditional ammunition would have on hunters, the economy and wildlife populations.

"At this time, the motives behind NPS actions addressing lead issues are very unclear. Especially in these difficult economic times, this action will discourage people from hunting and fishing and decrease revenue into the Pittman-Robertson fund that funds state conservation efforts," read the letter.

The firearms industry, sportsmen's groups and multiple conservation organizations criticized the ban in a press release, calling it "arbitrary, over-reactive and not based on science."

In concluding their letter to Secretary Salazar, the senators were very clear as to what they wanted to see: "We request that NPS cease all actions to prohibit the use of lead products on NPS lands by private citizens and NPS personnel."

Signatories on the letter include:

Sen. John Barrasso (R-WY)
Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Sen. James E. Risch(R-ID)
Sen. Jim Bunning (R-KY)
Sen. Roger F. Wicker (R-MS)
Sen. Richard Burr (R-NC)
Sen. Michael B. Enzi (R-WY)
Sen. Robert F. Bennett(R-UT)
Sen. John Thune (R-SD)
Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC)
Sen. Mike Johanns (R-NE)
Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK)
Sen. David Vitter (R


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The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government hasn't taken from someone else.

"Not one Democrap"
Of course they are the ones,and those that voted for them, who put Cass Sunstein in charge of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs which authority over rules and regulations coming from the executive branch.

He of course is quoted "we might ban hunting altogether, at least if it’s sole purpose is human recreation."

Yep:
The chickens are coming home to roost. I remember the flak I caught on here from certain individuals who stated that all Obama wanted to do was get control of those evil black assault guns and his agenda had nothing to do with hunting or hunting type guns.
Jim

Jim,

Without naming names, I too remember these "certain individuals" who favored lead shot and 'black gun' bans such as you've mentioned, all the while praising Obama here during July and August of last year. Some still post on this site but have now acquired the wisdom to lay low when these hot-button topics come up.

When the chickens do "come home to roost" you can count on these same enlightened souls to still be wallowing around on the henhouse floor......just more silently next time around.


"Bitter in the Bitterroots"

Robt:
My point here, and I'm not interested in names either, is we have to all stick together. The Anti-gunners have used a divide and conquer approach for years effectively. ANY attack on firearms is an attack on all of us. The next three years with Eric Holder as AG who is arguably the most anti 2nd Amendment individual to occupy this office and Cass Senshein as the new USDA Czar who has publicly declared his aversion to sport hunting, will be a very challenging time for all of us.
Jim

We all know the names of the members here,they are still lurking and playing "head in the sand" for most of the time but popping up to try and silence me and others (including attempts at banning-OWD,Homer to name two).
We need continue to point out what this "community organizer in chief" and those radical leftist that have taken over this socialist goverment are doing and going to do.They are a threat to ALL the gun owners not just those of us that own "black rifles" and handguns.Why are there gunowners here who think they are safe and worse yet ready to throw other gun owners/hunters "under the bus"?

Montana Democrat Max Baucus sponsored the original bill allowing firearms in NP's.

Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn now and then......

Why is this squirrel 'supporting' the NP ammo ban.....?.....His name is missing on the list above, interesting......

I retired from law enforcement and spent 20 years as a Ranger for the National Park Service. I may be able to put some perspective on this. First, hunting is banned in all National Parks; always has been since Teddy Roosevelt set aside Yellowstone. The Baucus bill was to allow visitors to carry guns in the National Parks for personal protection. This reversed a "No Guns" policy that, once again, had been in effect forever. Now the quandry is what is for personal protection? Is it a .40 pocket Glock or a Remington 700 in 300 Winchester Magnum? In my experience, people are a whole lot more dangerous than wild animals. In all but the Parks with grizzlies out West, anything over a .357 is overkill. An "N" frame S&W in .44 mag becomes pretty heavy after several miles hiking in the mountains. I know of what I speak. Is a man carrying a high powered rifle with a scope in the backcountry of a National Park doing it for self protection or a poacher of opportunity? I expect this conundrum is the origin of the bullet ban.

I hunt and, from reading this chat line daily, am obviously pro-gun. But I do believe there needs to be areas that are protection zones for all species. Many of our species either exist only in such areas or owe their existence to such places. Buffalo, grizzlies, American crocodiles and countless others have been saved by good conservation management. If you don't believe in the role the NPS has played in saving our wildlife resources, then stop reading here 'cause we're just going to disagree.

National Parks are often confused with National Forests. Forests have always allowed harvesting of resources, including hunting. The ban would have no effect on federal lands other than those controlled by the NPS. The National Park Service does control some areas that permit hunting. Among these are the national preserves. I don't know how the bullet ban would effect these areas but suspect that A. they are exempted, or B. more likely, the proposer of the bullet ban doesn't understand the differences of management philosophies.

Our National Parks are heavily poached and armed poachers are often confronted by a single Ranger with backup miles and hours away. Once again, I know of what I speak. Statistically, wildlife enforcement is the most dangerous line of law enforcement. Give these guys some support. If this proposal is a bullet ban that helps cut down on poaching in wildlife sanctuaries and gives the Rangers another tool to protect our resources, then I'm for it. If the bill is an ill-written and duplicitously conceived effort of the anti-gun lobby, then I'm against it. From this column I just don't have the facts and suspect that many of those piling on the wagon don't either.

By the way, the Baucus bill (Democrat) was wildly opposed by many conservation organizations such as the Sierra Club who are obviously identified with the left. Many people fall into the trap of partisan politics and play it with the fervor of a team sport. My advice is to read slowly and think clearly. Personally, I don't trust either side.

I'm not sure what everyone here is so concerned about. First of all, the previous poster is incorrect. I live in Jackson Hole WY., and Elk hunting is definitely allowed in Grand Teton National Park (as well as the National Elk Refuge). At the present time copper bullets are requested/recommended in the Park, not required. From the Jackson Hole Daily, Oct. 8, 2009: "National Park Service Director Jon Jarvis said he has no plans to ban lead bullets and fishing tackle in parks...". Is there some other "NPS Ammo Ban" I'm not aware of? The attempted ban on lead for bullets (there are alternatives) and fishing weights was an environmental concern, not political, related to ravens, raptors and other predators injesting the lead from bullet fragments in gut piles. It was not anti-gun or anti-hunting and certainly wouldn't discourage anyone from hunting due to increased cost for ammo; it only takes 1 bullet to kill an Elk! I've been hunting ducks for 20 years with steel shot and I shoot and kill more now than I did 20 years ago! My car runs fine without lead in the gas. Quit yer paranoid ranting (isn't there enough of that on TV these days?) and go out hunting more with all those precious and beloved guns! That's what I do.