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Just to set the Schuetzen record straight, in looking over all of the ISSA/Coors records, all- bench, offhand, pistol- were shot with single triggers. Most of them were with Miller actions with the Rice/Canjar trigger with pulls measured in ounces.

Good shooting.

Joe, I have offered up a wager in the past. But neither you nor I can afford to loose a grand. A case of beer would suffice and you and I can do this anytime. You know the sorts of proof I'd be looking for.

Brent

I never found a DST on a hunting rifle any sort of handicap. I carried my little Sauer 20" barrel 98 30-06 with DST's for my bear protection rifle before I built my 400 Whelen. With the Sauer you can fire the rifle by just pulling the front trigger if your in a hurry. Lot of good they did me, the last bear encounter I had I was carry a staple gun.

I just can't imagine a Schuetzen rifle without a set trigger but then I have no desire to own a modern schuetzen rifle. Being a traditionalist some things just don't seem right like pointed bullets, stainless steel, internal adjustment scopes and the like. These things are not wrong just not for me. Because all my shooting is from the bench maybe I should call my rifles something other than schuetzen. Most of the folks who I corresponded with who did this kind of shooting are gone. I'm not old enough that I don't try new ideas but I do pay a lot more attention if the shooter is getting, say, 1/2MOA 10-shot 200 yard groups shooting the same outfit as I am. If there is anyone who shoots benchrest ala Baker & Rowland and would like to exchange ideas fell free to contact me.

This might be a good time to ask, does anyone have a lead bullet rifle that has shot five-shot 100 yard groups in the teens?

Mark, anyone:
Ever seen a double-set for a Krag?
(I know of your patient Canjars.)
Might be just the ticket for the custom Krag I'm planning, with a shotgun guard, eh?
Steve

BTW: I just might have killed that big mule deer buck I missed last seaon, if I had a double-set trigger for my sidelever. Yes, I've tried Keplinger single-set, I don't like any trigger that leaps away from the finger.

I installed set triggers on an old Oberndorf action and I still have a swap barrel Model 66 Mauser with set triggers I bought in Berlin in the '70s. I also have them on my '74 Sharps. I like them, and enjoy shooting them, but I think it is more of an aesthetic issue with me rather than utilitarian. I hope this is not a naive comment but I was always under the impression that set triggers were developed to cope with the metallurgy of the day. By that I mean set triggers were popular on cartridge rifles in a day that metallurgy made it difficult to make a gun with sear contact that would hold a light trigger pull over thousands of rounds in a guns life time. With set triggers a substantial sear engagement could be realized while still having a very light trigger pull. As metallurgy improved, rifles could be manufactured with trigger and striker/hammer sears that had far less engagement which could result in crisper/lighter trigger pulls. I think this may be the root of JDS's claim that a single, well adjusted trigger can be more accurate that double sets. If the sear contact on a double set equipped rifle is substantial, I can visualize a rifle's point of aim being upset (ever so slightly) when the kickoff wacks the sear extension. People talk about the harmonics of barrels and the impact on accuracy...how about the harmonics of the double set kickoff. Terry H.

Steve, see p. 323, Townsend Whelen, The American Rifle (Century 1918)for a photo of a Fred Adolph Krag with DST. A shotgun style trigger guard was used. That particular rifle has been on my multi-page want list for more than a decade - for a long time I sent the sheets out to everyone I corresponded with but now it lurks untended in the depths of computer memory.

It is the only DST Krag I have ever read of. I do recall a single shot Danish Krag target rifle, solid bottom action, 6.5x55 not the Danish 8mm, I have seen two at gun shows over the years, or maybe the same rifle twice, had long fluted barrel, windguage front sight, fancy complicated open sight on the barrel, and I think DST, but it was years ago and I am not sure. Will email Col. Karl Hanevik, the Krag guru in Norway, and ask him.

I once had a restocked .256 Newton (First Model) that I hunted with. Much of the game I shot with it ( deer, antelope, and black bear) was taken offhand, and I invariably used the set trigger. I found that this worked fine if one was deliberate and not prone to rush things.
A Wyoming rancher asked why the rifle slung over my shoulder had two triggers, and after the explanation he piped up "Hell, I've seen two triggers on them old Stevenson shotguns." Maybe so.

WOW! You once had a Newton, I didn't know that. Good to see you around here Jim. Hope to see more of your post

the germanic style two trigger set system is obsolete. just look at modern euro target rifles like gottfrieds originelle losung, keppeler, grunig & elmiger. they use fine one trigger systems of top quality with some utilizing synthetic rubis just like fine watch movements. my last high quality german hunting rifle had timney trigger supplied to the maker by recknagel/era.

Trash man comes today,,,my German & Austrian built Mauser and Mannlicher Sporters will be at the curb