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In what way is the Hunter related to the Westley single trigger?

Great pics and diagram, BTW!

Silvers posted these finds from American Field on the LCSCA Forum. A few guns manufactured between 1901 and 1903 received Lard's single triggers.

Sept. 17, 1904



Nov. 26, 1904



June 1905

Jerald,
Your trigger is located on the left side which would be the front trigger of a two trigger gun.
I forgot to ask you earlier, is this a side lock "elsie" or a Fulton boxlock? The reason I ask if it is a side lock, put everything together, except the stock. Put long side plate screw in until flush with other side. Put all screws in even one that goes from bottom trigger plate housing to top tang -rear.
With everything assembled you can see how the trigger functons and how it sets itself up for the second shot.
You can do this with/out firing pins in. Hammers should be re-cocked because you opened (hopefully) before you removed the forend. Pull trigger and see how it sets up for the second shot.
To re-set hammers, go to the end of the receiver and with a 4" adjustable set to the cocking levers size twist them downwards to cock hammers again.
First picture is right barrel, showing location of Spur lever in relation to pillar housing.

Second picture shows how Spur lever has risen to allow for positioning of second barrel (left) to fire. Also note how far Spur lever travels and how frame has to be machined to allow for this. That is why there is no automatic safety with a FW frame "elsie", no room for safety push rod.

I have picturs of a safety push rod installed on a Regular frame Specialty Grade. Interesting the way it is done.
I will email you with my phone #.

Yes, it is an Elsie sidelock-Thanks for the help.-Jerald

JDW-thanks for the advice to assemble. The triggers function flawlessly!
So, after thinking about the screw and selector spring I imagine 'Smith to have "plugged" the tapped hole for cosmetic reasons.
The piece of spring under the screw appears irregular and to have been snapped off but, the case color around the screw and the area immediately under where I imagine the full spring to have sat, shows no rub marks indicating a spring ever sat or "flexed" there. Too, the screw slot shows no buggering.

Also, while "Smith set up tooling to cut one trigger slot, they most likely felt the added cost of the tapped hole and subsequent plugging if not used was not an expense worthy of consideration.
My thoughts only!

Thanks Again for the help, Jerald Ware

This non selective Hunter One-Trigger was $11.00-$18.00 (depending on grade) option when offered in 1934. Compared to the selective one for $25.00-$33.00 To tell you the truth I believe that in the forgings, they were all made for two-trigger guns, and this forging was made seperately. I could be wrong.
The book says it is identical except for the selector slide. Now we know better.

About 99.99 % of two trigger guns will have the left side trigger mounted to the rear. The set back of the pictured trigger indicates to be it occupies the rear positin in the guard. Likely this was merely a slip-up.

Miller, I agree that trigger configuration is unusual for a one trigger gun, but since this gun was special ordered, it was most likely ordered with a rear position trigger, or sent back for it and maybe the new owner had a shorter lop.

David;
Totally in agreement, I know that in Lefever catalogs was a section for filling out an order for a single trigger gun & the trigger could be ordered in either a forward, center, or rear popsition. I assume LC offered a similar option. What I was commenting on though was this statement you made in one posting;

Miller,
Thanks for correcting that slip-up, sometimes dyslexia seems to set in.