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#125884 12/13/08 09:42 PM
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I pickd up a project gun at a show today. It is a nice hammer double made by P. Webley and Son. Barrels are marked P WEBLEY & SON ST JAMES LONDON LAMINATED STEEL. Bores are bright and shiney and devoid of any visible pitting. It is a 10 gauge with 3" chambers. Locks up tight. SN is 166**. Nice engraving, too.

Now the bad news. The stock was cracked at the wrist and repaired with a couple of long brass plates and some wood is missing just behind the receiver beside the trigger guard. A good stock guy could probably make this right, leaving the plates as a decorative touch (just my thoughts). The left tube has a small bulge about 1 1/4" in from the muzzle. Other than that, seems a nice old gun worthy of some TLC.

Can anyone provide me with any information that would be useful? Thanks!

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Thought you said it was nice. Bulged barrel and browden stocks make it a money pit. I'd have passed on it. Chopper

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Now if he can just find out whos grandpappy it belonged to.

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Well, one man's money pit is another mans play hole! But if you read the post carefully and thoughtfully (the latter part perhaps being impossible) you would note that I said "project gun." Price was low. Overall quality of the gun is high. Work and expense to return it to a nice shooter is well within reason for folks who like to rescue old guns as a hobby.

But what I was hoping for was some useful information from those in the know - the combined knowledge of this forum - about the maker (I am quite familiar with Webley revolvers, but not shotguns), suggestions on remedal actions to deal with bulge, which is actually very small and does not seem to have overly impacted the metal at that point and anything else that might help an admitted neophite in the world of doubleguns.

Snarky remarks are neither welcome or useful (although I suspect more are forthcoming).

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The barrel bulge, if it is minor and located near the muzzle, as you described shouldn't be horribly expensive to fix. The stock,again going on your description, sounds like a replacement proposition if you're expecting to put this gun back into shooting condition. However, I've seen miracle fixes before. Perhaps you could post some pictures and get a better idea from other forum members.
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Thanks Jim. I have the gun apart and the stock is definitely a complex problem, but like you, I have seen some miracle repairs to worse. But I would consider a replacement, as the finished product would be a very nice SxS. The bulge is really only noticable when you hold it in raking light and run your fingers over it, but it is nevertheless a bulge. I will post some pics when I have the innards cleaned up.
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Post a picture or two - I'd love to see it. I have #6541 which I figure was an early 1870s gun. Belonged to my great-great grandfather. Very light, well configured and finished.

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I could not figure out how to post photos, so here are a few pics of the P. Webley & Son 10 Gauge from Photobucket. There is a small piece of wood missing under the top tang, you can see the crack running from the lock inletting (this is mirrored on opposite side) and the crack running forward from the chip in the toe goes all the way through. I have seen worse damage repaired and put back into service. You can see that the bulge in the left tube about 1.5" from muzzle is not too bad. The right tube is slightly out of round at the muzzle from a ding, but I can fix that. Forend could stand some attention – maybe add checkering. The engraving on the whole thing looks really nice, at least to my neophyte eye. As you can see, the SN is 1 Mark of the Beast 9.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k229/rudybolla/toptang.jpg
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k229/rudybolla/LWristCrack.jpg
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k229/rudybolla/SideviewToeChipandCrack.jpg
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k229/rudybolla/LBarrelBulge.jpg
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k229/rudybolla/Forend.jpg
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k229/rudybolla/TopReceiver.jpg
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k229/rudybolla/LeftReceiver.jpg
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k229/rudybolla/BottomReceiver3.jpg
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k229/rudybolla/SN.jpg[/IMG]
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k229/rudybolla/AftAssembled.jpg

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That looks like a nice old gun to try and resurrect, as long as it is mechanically sound (wall thickness, tight, on face etc) or could be made so with minor effort; some of us have an appreciation for old guns which may yet continue to serve their masters with a little TLC and therapeutic (both for gun and master) tinkering. Good luck.
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Originally Posted By: HomelessjOe

Now if he can just find out whos grandpappy it belonged to.


"But what I was hoping for was some useful information from those in the know - the combined knowledge of this forum"

Rudybollo.....don't count on homey jOe for any useful information! He likes to pop off and run. As evidence of Steve's thread about "low hammers".

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