doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Two terms that no longer apply at all

Cute. But your wisecracks and jokes are a weak counter to facts and evidence. It becomes more apparent why you started this thread. You wished to appeal to the genteel sensitivities of many here, and supress any discussion of a candidate who is a threat to the Second Amendment. You also miscalculated and now have the unintended consequence of 6 pages (and counting) of posts that you have been impotent to refute, save for glib jabs lacking substance or intelligence. I would take pity on you if not for the possibility that you know exactly what you are doing.

Keith,
DRM,thinks its a big joke.Of course he and other antigun supporters,OWD pmag and possum hunter, will not be laughing and joking shortly if Obama wins.We must as gun owners rememebr who stands with us and who does not.

"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security."
Benjamin Franklin

Quote(DRM)
"I don't see why this makes a difference and why gun politics has to work its way into nearly every post topic now. Even "though one candidate has clarified and/or changed his position on this issue (he's apparantly been listening to us, but now we "choose" not to believe anything has changed at all), everyone just concentrates on the original view of him."

I have read this several times and reached the following conclusion:

Only a left wing liberal quiche eater could possibly reach the conclusion the Obama has changed his position on gun control.
Ok We will ask you the same question we posed to your "Comrade in Disarment" which,of course, he never answered. Give us ONE concrete piece of evidence to support your above quoted position.
Jim

You are so darn soporiferous, DaveK. Say did you hear about the guy that sent his wife to Coxes to buy him a seersucker suit and she went to Sears?

Ok pmag:
NOW You're showing your true colors. Insult someone who posts facts when all you've done is post BS. We are STILL awaiting your,DRM,possumhunter,OWD and any other left wing liberal posing here as concerned gunowners posting of ANY FACTUAL INFORMATION that refutes the facts we've posted.
My recommendation to the rest of the membership here is to IGNORE anything further posted by this gang that's not factual.
Jim

GUN "Control" HISTORY; - THINK ABOUT IT!


A Little Gun "CONTROL" History Lesson.

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From
1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

------------------------------

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to
1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

---------------------------

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939
to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were
unable to defend themselves were rounded up and
exterminated

------------------------------

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to
1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

----------------------------

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964
to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

------------------------------

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to
1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves,
were rounded up and exterminated.

------------------------------

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to
1977, one million ' educated ' people, unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

-----------------------------

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the
20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

------------------------------

It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia
were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal
firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a
program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500
million dollars. The first year results are now in:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent

Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with
firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that whilethe
law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did
not, and criminals still possess their guns!

It will never happen here? I bet the Aussies said that too!

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a
steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms,
this has changed drastically upward in the past 12
months, since criminals now are guaranteed that
their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins
and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians
are at a loss to explain how public safety has
decreased, after such monumental effort and
expense was expended in successfully ridding
Australian society of guns.. The Australian
experience and the other historical facts above prove it.

You won ' t see this data on the US evening news, or
hear politicians disseminating this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and
property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect
only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note my fellow Americans, before it ' s too late!

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control,
please remind him of this history lesson.

With Guns...........We Are 'Citizens'.
Without Them........We Are 'Subjects'.

During W.W.II the Japanese decided not to invade
America because they knew most Americans were ARMED !

Note: Admiral Yamamoto who crafted the attack on
Pearl Harbor had attended Harvard U 1919-1921 &
was Naval Attach頠 to the U. S. 1925-28. Most of our
Navy was destroyed at Pearl Harbor & our Army
had been deprived of funding & was ill prepared to
defend the country.

It was reported that when asked why Japan did not
follow up the Pearl Harbor attack with an invasion of
the U . S. Mainland, his reply was that he had lived
in the U . S. & knew that almost all households had guns.

The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing. THINK ABOUT IT!

.

It's like I tell my friends: The real shame is: We have two choices- vote for someone who will take our guns away, or vote for the other guy and his nitwit female, who insist on going the way we have been for the last eight years, spiraling us into a depression in which we will have to sell our guns for pennies on the dollar and be glad for the amount we got because we have lost our life's savings, Social Security, our homes and everything else. Some choice, indeed.

"But your wisecracks and jokes are a weak counter to facts and evidence." It has been anything but facts within this presidential race, even from right wing republicans. I was not trying to counter facts and evidence, because many of these "facts and evidence" were started to breed fear in voters. And it certainly has among gunners. Hence I was just left to make light of everyone being so scared of an intelligent black democrat.

"It becomes more apparent why you started this thread." I actually thought the forums could get back to discussing guns not fear of liberals. After this became just one more thread telling about new found "facts", videos, information, and all to perpetuate fear, I simply gave up on my original thought.

"You wished to appeal to the genteel sensitivities of many here, and supress any discussion of a candidate who is a threat to the Second Amendment." What threat? He said he supports your individual gun rights but you choose not to believe him even though you believe his opponent when he says thevery same thing.

"You also miscalculated and now have the unintended consequence of 6 pages (and counting) of posts that you have been impotent to refute, save for glib jabs lacking substance or intelligence." Have you heard me trying to refute them? I can recognize walls when I see them. And six pages just proves my point, a thread can't be started anymore without fear of democrats taking hold.

"DRM,thinks its a big joke.Of course he and other antigun supporters,OWD pmag and possum hunter, will not be laughing and joking shortly if Obama wins." What, you think I am in these forums and an NRA member because I am anti-gun?

"We must as gun owners rememebr who stands with us and who does not." You mean white male right-ring republicans, correct?

"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." Your current white male right-ring republican president has taken more of your liberty away than all the other presidents combined.

"Only a left wing liberal quiche eater could possibly reach the conclusion the Obama has changed his position on gun control." Here we go, now the bleeding lefties are implied to be gay, or does "quiche eater" imply something else? Why don't you tell me why you think Obama is lying now in what he is saying? Is your John McCain still saying it's a fundamentally strong economy?

"My recommendation to the rest of the membership here is to IGNORE anything further posted by this gang that's not factual." Why don't you reference public records to prove the "facts" and not rely internet political hearsay?

When did so many gun owners become single-minded one issue voters, or have they always been that way and I just never saw it so blatant until this election?

Why do you think Obama is the boogeyman that your grandmother told you stories about?

There he goes again:
NOT ON SHRED OF EVIDENCE POSTED THAT OBAMA INTENDS TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT WE HAVE STATED. SEVERLY CURTIAL END EVENTUALLY ELIMINATE OUR RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS.

Quote from DRM:
"Why don't you tell me why you think Obama is lying now in what he is saying?"

Because all you have to do is look at his freakin voting record that's been posted elsewhere. His voting record doesn't lie but this ultra left wing socialist is lying thru his teeth. You and your friends are either very naive or in one hell of a state of denial.
Jim

Obama voted for every anti-gun measure that was introduced while he was a member of the Illinois legislature. He took his orders from Chicago's Democratic machine. He is Chicago.