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Posted By: Recoil Rob Lefaucheux 16ga ID help - 12/13/19 03:28 AM
A nice little 16 hammer gun with no makers name in the usual places. Do the J.W. or BA tell us anything? Is the small roebuck head a makers mark? Is the 10.05/19 a production date?


thanks,

Rob







Posted By: ellenbr Re: Lefaucheaux 16ga ID help - 12/13/19 12:59 PM
Yeah, 10.05 is a Z-M date code for Oktober 1905. JW is more than likely a Julius Wolfe/Wolff mechanic & I have seen the antlered beast prior, but I will have to search.


Cheers,

Raimey
rse
Posted By: ellenbr Re: Lefaucheaux 16ga ID help - 12/13/19 01:18 PM
Not sure that the name for the encircled >>B.A.<< mechanic would be Bruno Apel of Suhl, but that is one of the few matches. A relative of the estranged GGCA founder Dietrich Apel. Brno A. or Bernhard A. but for now I don't know if either exists as a Z-M mechanic. Now there was a Brno Anschütz of Z-M but I am unsure if he was active in 1905?

Cheers,

Raimey
rse
Posted By: ellenbr Re: Lefaucheaux 16ga ID help - 12/13/19 01:55 PM
Are there any touchmarks on the standing breech or any logos on the buttplate?

Cheers,

Raimey
rse
Posted By: Der Ami Re: Lefaucheaux 16ga ID help - 12/13/19 04:04 PM
Recoil Rob,
See my comments in the GGCA Forum.
Mike
Posted By: Recoil Rob Re: Lefaucheaux 16ga ID help - 12/13/19 04:17 PM
Neither Raimey.

The 577 must be a serial number of some sorts or assembly number, since there may have been 576 more of these I would think there should be a makers mark. Unless that's from the proof house?

There is a 3" long oval in the rib matting where a name/address would go but it's blank.


thanks,

Rob
Posted By: ellenbr Re: Lefaucheaux 16ga ID help - 12/13/19 04:20 PM
Yeah, Nr. 577 is the serial nummer. The maker's mark is the antlered beast I'd say. I have another image or 2 somewhere so upon locating, can I forward them to you to post?

Does it have a menacing muzzle?


Cheers,

Raimey
rse
Posted By: Recoil Rob Re: Lefaucheaux 16ga ID help - 12/13/19 06:01 PM
Sure, use recoil@optimum.net

Menacing muzzle?
Posted By: ellenbr Re: Lefaucheaux 16ga ID help - 12/13/19 09:32 PM
Crosshatched muzzle. Is the term >>Nitro<< stamped on the sides of the tubes. Also a Zella Mehlis concern with the name Wolff & Anschütz was active during this period @ Marktstraße 9. I would harzard a guess it was J. Wolff and some Anschütz mechanic, maybe Brno? So maybe the antlered beast is that of Wolff & Anschütz but I have zero proof for the moment.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse
Posted By: Recoil Rob Re: Lefaucheaux 16ga ID help - 12/13/19 11:08 PM
No Crosshatch, no NITRO on barrels.
Thanks for the other info. I have to check wall thickness on this to see if safe to shoot, bores look too good for the exterior...
Posted By: ellenbr Re: Lefaucheaux 16ga ID help - 12/14/19 12:50 PM
I'm looking but it may take some time as I'm trying to manipulate 50 GB of images...... Too, look under the Lefaucheux lever to see if there are any touchmarks.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse
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