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Posted By: Robertovich "Hollands" of Marshal Zhukov - 05/13/23 09:06 AM
Marshal Zhukov wasn't a saint, but do we have the right to judge today those who can no longer answer and who have fully fulfilled their duty by winning that war?...
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Posted By: Daryl Hallquist Re: "Hollands" of Marshal Zhukov - 05/13/23 01:53 PM
Such an interesting article. Thank you. Daryl
Posted By: lagopus Re: "Hollands" of Marshal Zhukov - 05/13/23 02:12 PM
Interesting. I suspect Stalin could answer the question as to the fate of the guns if he was still with us! With Zhukov's contribution to bringing the war to a close it would be thought that they were but a small reward. Lagopus.....
Posted By: Der Ami Re: "Hollands" of Marshal Zhukov - 05/13/23 07:29 PM
I read the article on the GGCA Forum and also found it very interesting. The "machine" translation is very "strained" however and this should not take away from the information contained in the article itself.
Mike
Posted By: Robertovich Re: "Hollands" of Marshal Zhukov - 05/13/23 07:32 PM
Originally Posted by Der Ami
I read the article on the GGCA Forum and also found it very interesting. The "machine" translation is very "strained" however and this should not take away from the information contained in the article itself.
Mike

Unfortunately, only Google translates for free.
Posted By: Der Ami Re: "Hollands" of Marshal Zhukov - 05/13/23 09:43 PM
Robertovich,
It doesn't make much difference which one does the translation, all of the "machine" translations are "strained", it is not your fault.
Mike
Posted By: bushveld Re: "Hollands" of Marshal Zhukov - 05/14/23 12:39 AM
I remember seeing the video recording of Marshal Zhukov riding the white horse at the 1945 Victory Day event in Moscow and Stalin giving Zhukov the jealous "evil eye" as he rode by.

Stephen Howell
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: "Hollands" of Marshal Zhukov - 05/14/23 03:52 PM
Originally Posted by bushveld
I remember seeing the video recording of Marshal Zhukov riding the white horse at the 1945 Victory Day event in Moscow and Stalin giving Zhukov the jealous "evil eye" as he rode by.

Stephen Howell


“Stink eye”. I get a version of that from the wife, all the time.

Best,
Ted
Posted By: campero Re: "Hollands" of Marshal Zhukov - 05/14/23 06:48 PM
Great post again, Igor!

Sorry to change the subject... Here's is a video we can watch Fidel Castro and Nikita Khrushchev hunting with Purdeys, I think so.

Castro and Khrushchev hunting
Posted By: Parabola Re: "Hollands" of Marshal Zhukov - 05/14/23 07:01 PM
I heard this story that might even be true.

Apparently the Russian Ambassador in London took Khrushchev’s pair of Purdey’s , that had been built for the Tsar, into Purdey for a service.

The guy behind the counter opened the case, made a note of the serial numbers and went off to look in a ledger.

He came back.

“I’m sorry Sir. We can’t handle these, they appear to be stolen!”
Posted By: campero Re: "Hollands" of Marshal Zhukov - 05/14/23 07:50 PM
:-O

But the guns were stolen inside Purdey Factory?
Posted By: Parabola Re: "Hollands" of Marshal Zhukov - 05/14/23 08:40 PM
No, after they were delivered to the Tsar who suddenly ceased to need them in 1918.
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: "Hollands" of Marshal Zhukov - 05/15/23 03:44 AM
Originally Posted by Parabola
I heard this story that might even be true.

Apparently the Russian Ambassador in London took Khrushchev’s pair of Purdey’s , that had been built for the Tsar, into Purdey for a service.

The guy behind the counter opened the case, made a note of the serial numbers and went off to look in a ledger.

He came back.

“I’m sorry Sir. We can’t handle these, they appear to be stolen!”

That story is true.

The world needs more people with that level of character. And more people like Rafal Gan Ganowicz.

Best,
Ted
Posted By: Robertovich Re: "Hollands" of Marshal Zhukov - 05/15/23 08:38 AM
Originally Posted by campero
:-O

But the guns were stolen inside Purdey Factory?
Originally Posted by campero
Great post again, Igor!

Sorry to change the subject... Here's is a video we can watch Fidel Castro and Nikita Khrushchev hunting with Purdeys, I think so.

Castro and Khrushchev hunting
Dear colleague, you are mistaken. This isn`t Purdey. This is the Tula`s MTs-11 presented by Khrushchev to Castro during this visit.
These are links to three parts of my article about this https://wp.me/p461yQ-4D8 https://wp.me/p461yQ-4EL https://wp.me/p461yQ-4Kk
Posted By: Robertovich Re: "Hollands" of Marshal Zhukov - 05/15/23 08:51 AM
Originally Posted by Parabola
I heard this story that might even be true.

Apparently the Russian Ambassador in London took Khrushchev’s pair of Purdey’s , that had been built for the Tsar, into Purdey for a service.

The guy behind the counter opened the case, made a note of the serial numbers and went off to look in a ledger.

He came back.

“I’m sorry Sir. We can’t handle these, they appear to be stolen!”

I don't think this is a true story. According to Purdey historian Nicholas Harlow, in 1949, "the Soviet delegation through I.I. Sedov" purchased guns 26070, 26077, 26101 and 26102. Another gun 26828 was bought by the Soviet ambassador in Turkey.
All about the Purdey`s adventures in Russia https://wp.me/p461yQ-4PD

Kind regards,
Igor R. Karklinsh
www.shotguncollector.com
P.S. Please use Google Translate to read
Posted By: campero Re: "Hollands" of Marshal Zhukov - 05/15/23 02:29 PM
Thanks so much for the links and all the info you share with us, Igor.

Sorry for the mistake. They also have the Purdey self-opening.

Best regards!
Posted By: campero Re: "Hollands" of Marshal Zhukov - 05/15/23 07:15 PM
Originally Posted by Robertovich
Dear colleague, you are mistaken. This isn`t Purdey. This is the Tula`s MTs-11 presented by Khrushchev to Castro during this visit.
These are links to three parts of my article about this https://wp.me/p461yQ-4D8 https://wp.me/p461yQ-4EL https://wp.me/p461yQ-4Kk



Igor, if this is the Tula, I don't think it looks like the one in the video I shared.

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Posted By: Robertovich Re: "Hollands" of Marshal Zhukov - 05/18/23 05:50 PM
Originally Posted by campero
Igor, if this is the Tula, I don't think it looks like the one in the video I shared.

It's the same shotgun model with other finishes. Please don't doubt. Similar to this

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Posted By: eeb Re: "Hollands" of Marshal Zhukov - 05/18/23 09:45 PM
Pretty pimpy for something once owned by the leader of the Unfree World.
Posted By: ChiefAmungum Re: "Hollands" of Marshal Zhukov - 05/18/23 10:19 PM
All are equal, some more equal than others!
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