WARNING: There are several websites that are "selling" reloading supplies online that are scams. The site I was on turned out to not exist. I sensed something wrong when I ordered powder from:
https://handloadingsupply.com/. I placed my order
and am now out several hundred dollars.
Rule of thumb: If they don't take credit cards, they are a scam!
Did you run the ffl or address?
John Boyd
Sorry for your loss. Online, I always contact them by email or better yet by phone. Ask them if they are hazmat approved shipper. If they are not that’s a red flag. Then ask them for their number. If they are bs you write it down and have them repeat it. Easy to find a scammer. Get a physical address and do a google map search and look at the address they give you. And as you now know use credit cards only.
Tom:
Is there more to the story. Have you left anything out. He has an ffl and registered as a legal business with the secretary of the state. I would not think you would go to all that trouble if you were trying to running a scam
What the details of the transaction.
John Boyd
Clearly a scam. Look them up online and multiple reports of scamming. First hint should have been they have absolutely everything in stock for immediate delivery. Nobody has that these days. Then the want payment like Zelle or PayPal which are almost impossible to reverse. Did a google map search and it looks like a addition on the side of a house is claimed as their location. But the numbers for address do not correlate to houses around them. Do they hacked Google maps. I found 92. Reports of scam alerts. Did a FFL search and nothing like their number came up in Yuma. Bad news all around.
KYjoh
I was able to match the ffl and the address. They do have a valid ffl.
He has an ffl and registered as a legal business with the secretary of the state
John
Yes I don’t doubt that but the same name was used for another scam dealer listed in Westmoreland KS. What the scammer is doing is stealing real information and pretending it is his information. That address came up with a tree covered end of somebody’s house, not a legit business. Trapshooter.com had a list of scam sellers on it some time ago. There were dozens of them. All with hard to find stuff at reasonable prices.
The truth is nobody has 10% of the reloading stuff he claims to have on hand. When you get a business, that who does not accept credit cards, but insists on Zelle, PayPal and other direct transfer money systems only be very cautious. Charging it back is not a safe option and money transferred is gone with little hope of return.
A couple of months ago I was looking for powder and found a number of sites which claimed to have just about everything in stock. Then I noticed that all wanted payment via Zelle. I researched a little further and found that just about any site demanding payment via a person-to-person money transfer app is fraudulent, and that you have no recourse once they have your money.
It’s a bit of a headache to do but scammers are everywhere. I don’t even use my regular credit card for net purchases. I use a prepaid card I load with the amount I’m going to spend on that purchase. So any funny business over the agreed amount just doesn’t happen.
I haven’t had any problems getting funds back from pay pal for purchases that were scams. File report, hit send, money is usually back on the card within the hour. Only had a couple experiences, but, they were excellent.
I know nothing about Zelle, save people who advertise stuff on Craig’s List seem to like it.
Best,
Ted
I notice the same thing when I went in search of additional reloading components last month. All the usual online suspects (e.g., Brownells, Midway, etc.) were out of stock, but other websites I had never heard of had the powder I was looking for - and for a reasonable price. As others have mentioned, the payment requirements (via Zelle) was the big red flag. The scammers were diligent though. They followed up the next day via email looking to help me complete my purchase. Scum bags.
Caveat emptor.
Paypal has a time restriction on how long you can file a charge back. It was 30 days from what I recall. I ordered an item from EBay was shipped from China. It never arrived. By the time I went through the EBay channels it was past my Paypal window to get my money back. Scammers know how to work the system and will string you along better than a Nigerian businessman looking to cash a Cashiers check. For the fun I went down that road until I offered to bring the money to him in person. Seems like I had business in Nigeria collecting for a partial refund of slave my great, great, great, great grandfather bought. I had the receipt or so I claimed. Truth the ancestor in question was a officer in the Union army but no need to go into too much detail. Once I offered to come in person, the scammer lost my email information and went away. It was fun while I strung him along.
My credit card is linked to my pay pal account. I know my refund was more than 30 days out. Not much, but, I was hoping to get what I ordered for too good a deal. It was not through EBay, for whatever that is worth. When I placed the order, pay pal told me they would provide shipping information, which, of course, never came. Near instantaneous refund.
The credit card company caught the last scam, generated from a purchase at Numrich, who were hacked, and sent a note not to pay for four charges that appeared on the bill. Told me to cut up the card, and had a new one, in my hand, in perhaps 3-4 days.
I had a bit of fun with the Asians who called land lines, spoofing the phone number of the FBI, and asking me to pay my fine with a gift card from Target. I’d call him back on an 800 number he provided and recite the first 25 numerals for Pi, and thank him for not sending Officer Joe to arrest me. Then he would call back, and I would change the last number, apologizing profusely for getting it wrong. He tried for about a week. It was all I could do to keep a straight face on the phone.
Best,
Ted
zelle is a bank to bank money transfer system...
works great for sending and receiving funds to and from trusted bank accounts...
transactions are irreversible...
transactions are irreversible...
Much like your own....
Best,
Ted
There have been accounts of people going to Nigeria to square things with the scammers who ended taking more than just the man's money... Gil