Great listing on GunBroker.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/926709334



Someone took a Crescent .410 and upgraded it. Seller is trying to imply the upgrade is a custom gun. "This is a full custom Side by Side 410 Ga shotgun marked, Warren Ferguson- Birmingham. Mr Ferguson was a custom gun and stock maker, also a collector of many of the German guns we are and have been running."" While it might be a custom upgrade it is still a Crescent .410. Would tell the new owner what he has is a Crescent hardware gun that is a pig with lipstick or just keep your knowledge to yourself? It is at $2,625.00 right now. So a fair bit of coin.

I would not. Let him find out on his own. i wouldn't ruin his happiness by telling him.............. unless he asked.

$3,125.00 right now

and the seller has a feedback rating of A+(14050)

Sounds like they know what they are doing

Mike

Seller yes, but does the buyer? His money I guess.

Just to prove I am not against upgrades this is one I think is very well done and even at a fairly reasonable price. If it were mine, it would not be for sale. 16 ga., with 30" ejector barrels has a lot going for it. Late season dove would be in peril.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/927700133

Jon, give it a shot. Tell the seller and see what kind of reaction you get. Keep us posted.

On the .410 ad, I didn’t see any lying going on. It says rather clearly custom gun, one of a kind. Buyer beware. None of your business Jon.

I didn't see any lying in the ad either, but clearly the seller is not being completely honest as he is avoiding exposing the gun as a gussied up Crescent in his ad; but we see instances of dealers doing that sort of thing all the time. Personally, I despise dishonest and/or misleading dealers; but I'd only give my free opinion on a gun if asked. I believe buyers should do their "homework" and know what they're buying before pulling the trigger. Having been burned a few times while earning my double gun Ph.D., I try to do what little I can to pass along some of the information I've learned. The information is available, and if a buyer won't take the time to do his own research; and buying an upgrade makes him happy, then I'm happy for him. The amount paid for that gun won't wreck one's bank account; but what about the fake Deluxe Grade recently sold at auction. The seller, a Smith expert, had assured the buyer the gun was "righteous"; the buyer paid $120K, and the gun sold for $15K after being exposed. I currently have a .410 Field Grade extractor in my office serial number dated to 1946 that has been upgraded to Crown. It was represented by an LC expert as belonging to a WWI ship captain who died in 1922. If the buyer had done even the most basic research he'd have known the first L.C. Smith .410 wasn't built until 1926, and would also have recognized a Marlin era serial number; the owner paid $55K for this fake Crown. The owner never knew he'd been snookered 'cause he died beforehand; it's his widow who'll pay the ultimate price, and it's this kind of crap that's so infuriating to me! So if what I write helps just one person avoid being taken; then it's worth the effort.

So doing a person a favour ( deserved or not) is against your ethos???

I’ve been the bearer of bad news for a bunch of guys, after the fact. Doesn’t happen as much as it used to, but, if a dealer tells you a Darne is a V21, you should have an idea of how to figure out if he is telling the truth. Probably the same with graded Foxes or Parker’s, or Tobins, whatever.

Problem is, it takes a little effort.

Best,
Ted

Sold $3,125 with 33 bids. Wow

The custom stock alone on that gun would be pretty expensive to have made.

Remember the Rigby Crescent?
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=326359

100% agree with you, Stan. Things like this are best kept "Subito El Dente"- Scilian term meaning: "behnd the teeth".. RWTF

any Seller who spends the time to take 60 pictures to sell a gun deserves to sell it for a high price


John Boyd

I guess it depends on who you think you are doing the favour for? Are you as enthusiastic about helping the seller?

Why are sellers automatically the bad guy? Do you step in and inform a seller he is letting a valuable gun sell for way less than its market value? That happens a lot more often than this.

If you walk into a gunshop, do you help the store owner with his pricing?

I thought not.

So this "person" even knows what other people do. WOW!
Welcome to ignore status.

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LOL, I notice you don't answer the questions. I guess doing a seller a favour is against "your ethos".

That does look like a nice gun. but in my mind, they hav no real collectable value and have to be judged along with similar shooters. In this case, it is pushing the price of a brand new A grade reproduction, so doesn't represent much of a value.

elegantly reworked guns, like the rare fox above, are a thing of beauty and a joy to behold...

.410 Faux Smith Crescent



Subject gun



Cracked frame?

How could we ever forget it, Drewbie. I am sure Eleanor Rigby won't-- RWTF

Nice looking gun. Might bet worth what someone was willing to pay for it. (isn't that the definition of worth?)

Ye tongue biters, would you continue your silence if your buddy showed up with it at the range one day and handed it to you and said, "My new baby. What do you think?" Just curious how far some of you would go.

"don kill duh deal"