I don’t post there, I just read.

It seems the last few days, it has disappeared.

Just the first screen and none of the forums appear on the list and the links to them are dead.

I don’t recall Brad making an announcement that he was going to shut down for the holidays.

Is there a new url?

I’m just trying to contact an old friend for some quail hunting.

Brad is in the process of catching up after (I think) some software changes.

Thanks Larry, that’s what I thought might be happening.

No, it works just fine - if you are a paying member. He has taken the entire forum private beginning 1 January.

FYI


Brad Eden
Brad Eden
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Welcome to 2022! 😬

This Group Message was sent to 2022 Contributing Members who (according to my records) voluntarily Donated a year ago in January of 2021. Ive TRIED to find Members who may have donated after last January. I am sure I have missed some.

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In the last two years UJ has never been busier and I have never been more challenged as the sole Administrator and Moderator during these trying times. The importance of UJ as a meeting place has never been more significant. No matter what the future holds I will continue to do my best to keep the lights on, and be vigilant in keeping UJ the port in the storm it has become known for.

Unfortunately UJ hasn’t escaped “inflation.” With Cloud Hosting fees rising and the demands that UJ places on the Host Server I am suggesting a minimum voluntary Donation of $30. As always Donations above that minimum are appreciated and determined by the individual Member and the value they place on UJ. Voluntary Donations are the main funding mechanism in keeping UJ online and cover monthly/yearly costs for Board Software, Updates, Board Support Plan, Cloud Hosting/Data plan, and the UJ archived website and UJ email.

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If Contributing Members haven't renewed by the end of the month I send a "NOTICE: UPCOMING MEMBER GROUP CHANGE" reminder Message, and then move them back to the regular "MEMBER GROUP" later. If they donate at any time I place them back in the Contributing Member Group with enhanced privileges.

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The UJ forum has been changed to a registered members only format according to the description on the home page. Looks like member registration is free so you will need to do that to view the forum. With the current cultural dynamics it's neither surprising to see the change nor unusual as most everything requires a signing up.

This.

Brad is quite protective of his site and the members who populate it. He eventually grew uncomfortable with anyone and everyone being able to read most of the site (there had been one protected forum). To read it now one must join.

vosses loos der uj?

The message reproduced above confirms what was already quite apparent about UJ and its' Administrator.

He obviously wasn't satisfied with his already overbearing control of content. But he sure likes his donations.

He sounded really stressed in his explanation for exerting further control on content. I think the only thing that may make him really happy would be for people to donate at least $30.00 per year, but let him do all of the posting on his forum.

What would be especially amusing would be for the person who reproduced his words to have engaged in the same behavior on the Upland Journal forum as he did right here. Running a continual campaign to DEFUND the UJ forum and engaging in a gutless internet doxxing campaign would have resulted in either a permanent ban, or caused poor Brad to have a heart attack. Or both.

But we are not supposed to notice these things. Pointing them out makes you a "cancer" in the minds of some here.

I enjoy the Upland Journal board. Quite a few serious bird hunters, lots of good pictures and some interesting members, many of whom are former members on this board. Yes, Brad does moderate heavily but as we see on this board, some people need to be moderated due to an inability to behave properly. I really enjoy some of the pros in the dog game on that board. I had been researching pointing breeds for some time and have been delighted to find the Berg Brothers through UJ. I'm pretty sure a started Setter will be my next dog bought from the Bergs. Some interesting sub forums on that board too.

Dadgummit! I've been donating $50 every year voluntarily to both UJ and DG for years. I'm not sure how I feel just yet about UJ requiring a $30 donation even though it is less than I've been paying, but my donation if I make one anymore sure isn't going to be $50. And why the heck are we discussing this on DG anyway?...Geo

Because if you discuss it there, it will get flushed. Dude is quick on the trigger.

Best,
Ted

It does NOT cost anything to be a registered member on UJ. As a registered member you can see all the subtopics on the forum. To sell something on UJ you need to be a contributing member.

Ken

UJ is a joke. I’ve excommunicado’d that site ever since the owner tried sticking up for the convicted poacher “Roy Setters”. A lot of folks on that board riding that guys jock for years except the few that always suspected the dude was crook.

I poke in and find myself conversing with the same guys that are here. There are a couple of locals over there that I can get a hold of on the board, but, really can’t, any other way.



Best,
Ted

I just read the story of Roy, new to me as I was not an UJ member at that time. I have been in a very similar position as Roy, same exact area of the world too but instead of going over my possession limited I Fedex'ed a cooler filled with of a bunch of Roosters, some Ducks and a few prairie grouse to a buddy and filled his freezer. Zero need to be in that situation, even when the shooting is outstanding.

Do you ever think some of threads that have gone on ad nauseum here in the past filled with little more than personal attacks are a joke? I do. This is a much better place with a bit of moderation.

Ha. And here I thought from our last exchange (the Kyle Rittenhouse thread) that you never broke the law.😂.

Of course I think some of the threads here go on ad nauseum, like the endless thread on Reilly’s and other stuff. What surprises me is that you like to engage and participate in the personal attacks and instigation and add to the “ad nauseum” of it all, I figured with the Birkenstocks n’ stuff that you’d be more of a pacifist.
I’m definitely NOT for selective moderation, and here of late, that’s what we’ve been seeing here.

Sorry? I specifically did not break the law. I never went over my possession limit, or my daily limit. Do the Montana regs not allow you to give away your take? If so, I missed that part and maybe you could point it out?

I think you will find I treat both Bill and frAnk with the same respect they have shown me over the years. I tend to get on fine with the remainder of the board despite not always agreeing with them politically. Similar to real life these days. I have many friends on both sides of the political spectrum and I often disagree with both, yet we remain friends.

I have had my own posts moderated here in the not too distant past. Fine by me. It is Dave's sandbox and his rules. Kinda like when you were a kid and you ate and one of your friend's houses, you ate what was served not told your friend how it was done at your house I would hope.

By responding in kind to your buddies Frank, Bill and whomever else, you’re definitely adding to the ad nauseum.

I guess I misunderstood the whole cooler filled with game birds being sent to a friend line….I’m sure, you being you, that you followed the law to the proverbial T. To include signatures from both parties on the transferring game letter.

How is that similar to the Roy Setters affair by the way?

Roy was doing his criminal enterprise in many states…from the west, Midwest and south. Dude just couldn’t get enough of being UJ’s Rock star.

Wait. Skb. If I understand you , you shot your possession limit. You then shipped your limit out, and poof, you no longer have your limit and you can start over. Is that what you’re saying?

This should be good....think I’ll crack a cheap can of beer, and see what happens.


Best,
Ted

Go easy on those beers, Toad. Don’t you have to drag your ugly arse to that shitty Teamster job tomorrow?


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Lions and Tigers and Elephants, oh my!

Before the possession limit conversation blows up, I just want to say that every state has different rules related to possession limits. For example in some places, if it is rendered to possession, and turned into a stored product, it no longer is considered against your possession limit.

So, on a 10 day South Dakota pheasant trip, that’s going well, if you decide to start breasting out pheasants, grinding them and turning them into a bratwurst for example, the frozen bratwurst don’t count against your possession limit.
In short, some states are more liberal in what game is counted against your possession limit than others are.

And that also includes gifting. And household gifting Between adults.

Hope Ted has quite a bit of PBR in a can on hand. My bet is he does.

As far as I understand the law, and I may be mistaken, possession limit is just that. The number of in this case birds you have in aggregate between your home and in the field. It is not a limit for the year or any other restriction. I never hit my possession limit in Montana but I was close enough that if I kept hunting I would have had too many birds. I gave them away and at that point did not have a single bird with me or at home.

I believe at that point my possession limit did indeed start over.

I'm sure the constitutional scholars and virologists on the board will be along shortly to issue my felony indictment

Dustin,
I only signed my name to the note transferring the game to my friend. I assume he signed his name. If you are losing sleep over the matter I can contact to verify he did so.

Ah I understand now. Liberals can rationalize anything. Kind of like , I did not have sex with that women or it depends on what the meaning of is is. In your mind you did not violate the letter of the law but you sure as #### violated its intent. To your way of thinking there is reason to have a possession limit ,just keep shipping them out. Possession limits are to protect the resource from over harvesting. Guess you're not much of a conservationist

And how does this differ from giving them away to a land owner, someone at the hotel, etc?

I follow the law, at no point does it say you cannot give away your game. We have possession limits here in Colorado on most game birds, other than Prairie Chicken which have a season long total take limit of two birds. I think Parks and Wildlife are smart enough to know the difference when they write the law.

As predicted, a scholar such as yourself knows more than the game departments.

There's possession limits and then there are season limits. Not the same thing. Canada gives you little stickies to put on your gamebirds; use up your stickies, you're done.
Possession limits most places mean in the car or on your motorcoach or your motel until processed or no longer in your possession. That help?..Geo

Actually, birds on your person until placed in your principal mode of land transportation come under the daily limit.

So you have never shot more than the possession limit in a year? I have, many, many times. I covered at least 3-4 States a year shooting prairie birds for years. I ate a bunch of birds during the season to stay under possession limits, my ex-girlfriend became tired of cooking them. I'm not sure how you became so confused on possession limits verses total take limits for a year. Game departments fully understand the difference. In some Eastern States you tag the birds like a deer and a limited number of tags are issued per person per year. Possession limits are not the same nor were they intended to be so.

Maybe stick to game farms where you understand the rules.

Bye the bye, it takes WILD birds to make a bird dog. I will not limit myself or my dogs in such an absurd manner.

I distinctly remember a dressing down a Minnesota game warden gave a kid in the early 1980s on the topic. He said nobody, never, ever shoots more than a limit of birds or catches more than a limit of fish, in one day, in the state of Minnesota. If you have a possession limit on you, you had sure as hell better have some mechanism to prove they weren’t taken on the same day. A hotel receipt was a good start. But, if he saw you take more than a daily limit, you were going to jail, and he might invite you to the auction where they sold your gun and your truck, but, don’t count on it. The game warden did not need a warrant to inspect your freezer, search your vehicle, or come onto your boat or inspect your fish house. You had zero rights with him, and he knew it.
That said, the last game warden I encountered, in South Dakota, just asked me how I was doing, told me my dog was pretty, and wished me good luck. I know he saw my Minnesota license plates, and likely ran them before he got close enough to talk.

Bet my driving record is better than Steve’s.


Best,
Ted

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Lions, Tigers and knuckleheads, oh my.

When I've bird hunted in the past in Montana, I'm not sure about this season, I was under the impression that the hunter who legally harvested the birds, still possessed them even if they gave it to someone else? I think possession ends when the game is removed from any hunting related activity and fully processed? I'd think a game hand off to the hunting grounds land owner or at the hunt lodging might still have to stay within the possession limit for whoever the hunter was?

If I accepted game at some hotel by hunters coming out of the field, I'd want a valid license and be within the bag and possession laws. Whoever writes up the citation might lean on the recipient, either bagging a violator or having a chance at the hunter also? The wardens seem savy about playing with game bags.

Why would you think I’d be losing sleep over you or something you did? You’re just not that important to me. No offense.

My God, I love internet lawyers.

Y'all make sure your have every scrap of last year's deer, elk, bear out of your freezers before you whack the next one.

My home is about 2 miles from one of the most prolific, and popular, walley fisheries in the world.

This topic is one that probably starts with local kids in kindergarten.

Every state draws the lines differently on possession of fish and game.

Some states allow for subsistence living, so you can shoot game and share it with the other members of your community. Some states draw the line at processing. So if something has been processed for storage, it doesn’t count against your possession limit.

Some states take an even stricter view which says that if they can identify the pieces as parts of an animal, it counts against your personal possession limit. So they might thaw a bag of fish just to see how many bluegill fillets are in the bag. (Limit 75 in pos)

The reason for these things is he has to protect the resource, but also see to it that sportsman don’t monetize wild Fish and game held in public trust.

And let me tell you, with all of the retirees around where I live, people could pay for home additions by selling off their walleye and perch fillets.

The limit is 8 per day, if you decide to take two limits a day, four days a week, when they’re in the river, you can catch them literally in the tons.

CheckingFreezer contents is pretty standard operating procedure around here.

You can give them to your wife without telling her. You can give them to your kids without telling them. So at 24 fish, 48 fillets, per resident of the household, you can have all kinds of fish in your freezer without breaking the law. You can chop them into pieces and can them like tuna, and store God knows how many, and because their form has been changed, you would probably never be challenged.

Just don’t monetize it.

Montana is different on this matter than MI.

As I recall, I want to say a case was prosecuted that clarified what the status of the game was that was stored in a camper. Where the owner of the camper was claiming that the camper was his domicile, and anything stored within it met the rendered to possession/storage legal requirements.

I think they lost.

Well you seem interested in proving I did not follow the letter of the law and still have the Rittenhouse thread on your mind. My bad.....

PS Has anyone ever told you that you take things a bit too literal at times Dustin? Loosing sleep was tongue in cheek.

lighten up a bit, maybe pop a beer like Ted.

I never said anything about season limits. You decided to enter that in the conversation on your own.

You are confused enough with possession limits, no need to add to your confusion.

I see things, people & situations for what they are. If that’s literal, then I’m guilty as charged.

I’m not interested in proving anything. I had the Rittenhouse thread on my mind because I’ve got a memory like an elephant and reading things some people wrote in that thread were so ridiculous it makes the thread pretty memorable.

You don’t know me, if you did know me, you’d know that I’m as cool as cucumber, low heart rate and all…..it takes a lot more than a burnt out dead head to get me riled up. 😀.

Take it easy, Steve.

Dustin,
I was not going to bring up your ridiculous statements or lack of understanding of what a straw purchase is on the Rittenhouse thread even though I did not forget it

Nothing cooler than a dude who tells you just how cool he is....

Kind of like snipers, if they have to tell you, that is all you really need to know.

Stay cool Dustin.

I always take it easy, is there another way?

I think what you say makes sense. It seems to me, investigation and enforcement of game laws may have a lower bar than some other laws. I think for seach purposes and firearm laws, regular vehicles might have similar protections in MT that traditional homes do. Once wildlife officers are in the home, digging through freezers, I don't know if that's a fun position to be in.

Many years back, I did watch a pair of Wisconsin duck hunters get their gear and vehicle impounded for being in possession of lead shot. It was actually funny watching the warden put a sneak on their open water blind and seeing the splashes of shells on the water once he started wading out. He spent about five minutes wading around the blind, collecting "evidence". I don't know any particulars, as to how rigid the confiscation was, but I remember thinking it seemed quite the over reach for the level of the sin.

I made a reply to some of the unadulterated bullshit that SKB was posting in that Rittenhouse Thread. Or perhaps I should say that I attempted to reply to the outright falsehoods SKB posted. But even though my rely contained zero name-calling, or false or inflammatory statements, it was Censored. It didn't get posted. It was the type of censorship that Mark Zuckerberg engages in to protect the Left. No difference at all. Mark and the Censors at Facebook would be proud.

SKB was insistent and argumentative with all who defended the actions of Kyle Rittenhouse. SKB insisted that Kyle had made a very illegal and felonious Straw Purchase of the AR-15 rifle he used to shoot his attackers. My post which was censored countered those falsehoods with facts. Kyle was never charged with making a Straw Purchase, and his friend who purchased the rifle just had the ridiculous felony charges against him dropped in a plea deal. It is likely that the Judge in the case will still simply reject the plea deal and dismiss the prior felony charges. The facts remain... The gun Kyle used was never illegally transferred to him. It was stored at the home of the friend who purchased it, and stored in the friends' fathers' gun safe. Kyle was legally allowed to use the rifle because all legal requirements were met. That is why his illegal possession of a firearm charges were dismissed during his trial.

This is why SKB loves selective moderation. It enables SKB to get away with posting Liberal Left crap without being challenged. Had I been permitted to challenge and expose those falsehoods as in the past, SKB, and likely some other Liberals here would have reverted to their own name-calling, disruptive behavior, and doxxing... just as they had in the past. SKB would almost certainly have attempted to once again impose his/her sexual orientation on me and jOe... like so many times before. Evidence of that behavior is still here... except for the great volume of it that was deleted by Dave. Hard to blame SKB for pretending to have never been engaged in repeated rule violations here, and for using some little donations as a means to hide behind Dave's apron... even if it is both disingenuous and pathetic.

Sure makes me want to donate and continue to subsidize the lying Libtards...

"Y'all" ......

Are you going Southern on us now......... professor?