My W&C Scott&Son 20 ga have these marks on both barrels, but some letters are missing. I think they inform about the barrel steel. Can somebody help me with the meaning?





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Of course we see >>....STEEL....<<. Maybe >>....DEX STEEL...<< or >>....DEK STEEL....<<. The coupled with the other visible, non-worn from barrel work, letters >> .....DEK STEEL....ALG<<??

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Thanks for your help, ellenbr!

DEX... DEK... Strange and inappropriate steel for barrels, aren't they? I haven't seen in other shotgun before.

I don’t have my photos in this computer, but I have seen a similar barrel steel marking on Hollis, Bentley, and Playfair guns. Could this gun be rebarreled ? A fair chance, I think.

A bit later, I seem to remember the Hollis Bentley and Playfair marking to be something like Vendex Steel. I’m sure I have pictures of the mark on another computer.

Nice catch & will be just lovely when you have the proper name.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Good news, Daryl! Hope you find the pictures and tell us the steel name.

Barrels are original and the shotgun is on very very good condition after more than 120 years.

On ther right barrel: S&C. Webley&Son 78 Shaftesbury Avenue London S. W.

On the left barrel: Made expressly for Luis Vives & Cía Barcelona

I don't know what is the meaning of 20 (right barrel) and 21 (left barrel) proof marks.

Thanks again, ellenbr and Daryl..

Those numbers are the old London bore diameter marks, a predecessor to the >>vulgar fractions<<.


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Thanks, Raimey!

So 20 means .615 inches and. 21 is equal to .605.

The left barrel have a CHOKE mark (a medium choke, I think) and the right have no choke.

Yes, from Burrard I see the same values in inches. Too, it may be that 20 bores values didn't have >>vulgar fractions<< like their larger cousins 16 bore & larger?


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Hope we can know the steel name and why this shotgun have it. 👍

We will. When Mr. Hallquist gets up from his Sunday afternoon nap, he will inform us.


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

As usual, Raimey was right . It was a fine nap. Hollis Bentley and Playfair were primarily "makers to the trade" although they made some very fine guns and rifles with their own name. I could not find a photo of the Vindex mark on an actual gun, but I remember owning three guns with that mark. The Vindex mark was Vindex Steel , stamped in a wreath shape on the forend irons. Attached are some exerts from their ca. 1911 catalog showing various offerings , including Vindex Steel and Damascus. Also included are a few shots of their named guns. I have owned three of these, and still shoot one each fall. I do have additional pictures of one of similar grade that was marked in gold,#4. That garniture must have a real story to tell.

Vindex, Vindex, Vindex Steel. Thank you Mr. Hallquist for adding to our steel repertoire.


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Those are two lovely sidelocks by the way.


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Mr. Hallquist, thanks a lot for the information. So the steel of the barrel is Vindex. I'll look about this brand. I´ve never hear it.

Your side by side are really beautiful, as the scroll & rose.

Thanks again to both for your help!

Regards!

Campero, I too was in the dark w/ the steel name >>Vindex<<. The only thing I could find right off was the HMS Vindex..... But I will keep it on my list...


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Dear Raimey,

I read that HMS Vindex was a Nairana-class escort carrier of the Royal Navy that saw service during the Second World War... I had never heard that barrels shotgun were made of that steel. Here in Spain we say: never go to bed without knowing something new!

If you know the characteristics of Vintex steel, please let us know.

Regards!

By the way, the shotgun has no NITRO PROOF mark. I have shooting well with current shells with no problem. Do you thing the gun was made only for black powder?