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Posted By: SKB Way too close to home... - 03/23/21 01:06 AM
The news is reporting at least 6 dead in Boulder tonight including a Boulder Police Officer in a mass shooting at a King Soopers. A dear friend shops in that store and boy was I relieved when he answered the phone. Too early to know many details but sure is sad for the those lost and the families left behind.
Posted By: KDGJ Re: Way too close to home... - 03/23/21 01:13 AM
It isn't good news for sure. The news is pretty sketchy right now.

Ken
Posted By: Argo44 Re: Way too close to home... - 03/23/21 01:58 AM
Too much meth and Chinese made narcotics being inserted into everything coming to America from south of the border. Reverse opium wars.
Posted By: LGF Re: Way too close to home... - 03/23/21 02:41 AM
My daughter will be starting her Master's at Boulder this summer and arrived today with my granddaughter to look for housing. They were a few blocks away when it happened.
Posted By: KY Jon Re: Way too close to home... - 03/23/21 11:51 AM
Too close and too often.
Posted By: Dan S. W. Re: Way too close to home... - 03/23/21 01:27 PM
Originally Posted by Argo44
Too much meth and Chinese made narcotics being inserted into everything coming to America from south of the border. Reverse opium wars.

Has it been confirmed that the shooter was on drugs?
Posted By: dogon Re: Way too close to home... - 03/23/21 02:23 PM
I won't speculate on the shooters motives because it's way to early to know anything in this regard. Being a life long Coloradan. I will say we've had way more than our share of these mass shooting here!! I wish I had an answer for why people decide to do this type of thing!

My heart reaches out to the cop, the other nine people killed & their families who are the victims of this senseless tragedy!! May Gods blessing be with them to help them though these hard times!!
Posted By: SKB Re: Way too close to home... - 03/23/21 03:29 PM
The name of the suspect and all 10 victims were just revealed. I hate jumping to conclusions but I'm going out on a limb on this one, religious terrorism. Just incredibly sad no matter how you look at it.
Posted By: Tom Bryant Re: Way too close to home... - 03/23/21 04:33 PM
My heart sank as the news came in - Too many friends in the area. I am saddened for my friends in Colorado and saddened for us all. The world doesn’t need another occurrence like this. Prayers for all who are grieving.
Posted By: RyanF Re: Way too close to home... - 03/23/21 06:21 PM
Originally Posted by SKB
The name of the suspect and all 10 victims were just revealed. I hate jumping to conclusions but I'm going out on a limb on this one, religious terrorism. Just incredibly sad no matter how you look at it.

Sure looks that way. I guess it will be a very short news cycle.
Posted By: KY Jon Re: Way too close to home... - 03/23/21 06:31 PM
Can this really be just about our Presidents recent bombing and killing a single person in Syria? Revenge?
Posted By: dogon Re: Way too close to home... - 03/23/21 08:02 PM
Much more to the story than just domestic terrorism. The reporting so far is indicating some form of known mental illness which dates back to his high school days. This guy was known & on the radar of local law enforcement & the FBI. It wasn't his first rodeo in this regard.

Predictably the Commiecrats are already calling for more gun control and Biden is calling for the swift passage of the gun control legislation currently moving through the house. Here's a link for a quick snap shot of where things stand at present.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...a-week-earlier/ar-BB1eT4uX?ocid=msedgdhp

Some facts to keep in mind when you see or hear the politicians & talking heads about this shooting. There are many gun laws in Colorado which have been enacted in the years since the Columbine & other shootings. Many of these are the same as the ones being called for by Biden & his Commiecrat comrades.

Here's the short list:

1. Colorado has universal background checks on all gun sales & transfers with the exception of some forms of family to family member transfers.
2. We have an instant background check system which has had up to a two week backlog for over a year now. So in effect we have had a waiting period for purchases due to the backlogged background checks waiting to be processed.
3. We have a red flag law which allows your guns to be confiscated if someone turns you in thinking you are a possible threat of some sort & a judge approves the confiscation.
4. The city of Boulder has a local ban on possession of so called assault weapons. I believe this is currently on a court ordered injunction due to possible constitutional issues with it.
5. We have a magazine capacity limit of ten rounds.
6. None of these measures prevented this shooting!!!

We now have some additional gun legislation currently moving through the state house.
1. Required safe storage of all firearms in your home.
2. Require trigger locks for all gun sales & transfers.
3. A required waiting period for all gun sales.
Posted By: SKB Re: Way too close to home... - 03/23/21 08:09 PM
Paul,
just one minor point of correction, our background check system is far better here in CO using the CBI than most other states using the FBI. Over the last several weeks background checks have been taking between 5 minutes and a couple of hours. I have run two recently that have went right through.

I agree with the point of your post though no disputing that.
Steve
Posted By: DAM16SXS Re: Way too close to home... - 03/23/21 08:51 PM
Accuse me of profiling if you wish but his history of mental instability along with his name, Ahmed Al Aliwi Alissa, sure gives me pause and makes me ask How in Hell did this guy fall through the background checks cracks?!?!
Posted By: keith Re: Way too close to home... - 03/23/21 09:06 PM
Originally Posted by SKB
Paul,
just one minor point of correction, our background check system is far better here in CO using the CBI than most other states using the FBI. Over the last several weeks background checks have been taking between 5 minutes and a couple of hours. I have run two recently that have went right through.

Steve


I have never had a NICS background check take more than 5 minutes. Never.

But I'm certain that will change if the anti-gun Democrats have their way. Democrats love having these mass shootings because they use them to push their agenda, which is to eventually eliminate the 2nd Amendment. They only know how to blame our guns.... even though guns have been around far longer than the relatively recent phenomena of mass shootings.
Posted By: keith Re: Way too close to home... - 03/23/21 09:10 PM
Originally Posted by DAM16SXS
Accuse me of profiling if you wish but his history of mental instability along with his name, Ahmed Al Aliwi Alissa, sure gives me pause and makes me ask How in Hell did this guy fall through the background checks cracks?!?!


Keep this up and several of our Democrat supporters will be accusing you of racism.

Thou shalt not speak the truth!
Posted By: SKB Re: Way too close to home... - 03/23/21 10:08 PM
Originally Posted by keith
I have never had a NICS background check take more than 5 minutes. Never.
.

I have had a background check take more than 3 days and the dealer let me have it after that time period without the check being complete as the law allows. Fall of 2001, some back water pawn shop in Montana buying an 870 after my principle gun failed on the trip. I never shot the 870 that trip but instead and old straight stocked G grade Lefever which was too short for me and had too much drop. Still a great trip though and that was one hell of a bird dog.


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Posted By: nca225 Re: Way too close to home... - 03/23/21 10:32 PM
Originally Posted by DAM16SXS
Accuse me of profiling if you wish but his history of mental instability along with his name, Ahmed Al Aliwi Alissa, sure gives me pause and makes me ask How in Hell did this guy fall through the background checks cracks?!?!

That is a good question.
Posted By: Run With The Fox Re: Way too close to home... - 03/23/21 11:15 PM
We, as responsible gun owners, need to endorse more racial profiling, especially these ragheaded terorists that caused 911, and keep on pushing their Jihad based hatred of white Christian Americans--Why and how do they get into America in the first place. And Deano is spot on- how in the blue bonnet hell did this mentally unbalanced idiot pass background checks in Colorado? Biden and his followers forget one basic fact in their haste to ban weapons- what about the millions of firearms and ammunitions already owned and legally possessed by Americans-- ?? does sleepy Joe plan to do a "Hitler" and send out BATFE troops to break down doors and grab them from the hands of law abiding white Christian American citizens? Good Lord, I hope not- if that's Biden's plan, that illegal action )2nd. Amendment withstanding) then Katie bar the door- "From my Cold dead hands" --
Posted By: pamtnman Re: Way too close to home... - 03/24/21 01:21 AM
Another peace-loving jihadi running amok in America. We need some sort of control for sure here, but it ain't gun control
Posted By: Nudge Re: Way too close to home... - 03/24/21 01:25 AM
Yes, more laws please...that will definitely fix the problem. Because criminals and crazy people will take pause knowing those laws are on paper...

NDG
Posted By: KY Jon Re: Way too close to home... - 03/24/21 06:01 AM
If the war on guns goes like the war on drugs we are all going to need bigger gun safes. I was once worried about the lefts gun confiscation scheme, but no longer. Canada gave up on just trying to register guns in a computer system and Canadians are a lot more inclined to respect laws they consider silly. And they would need to go search every house, in the country, because there is no computer records of who has what in the US. It would be physically impossible to go door to door and collect every gun. If you consider owners would meekly turn over their guns you are kidding yourself in several million cases. Maybe tens of millions of cases. Just never going to happen. Going door to door would take years if not decades and who is to say if those guns would remain in place very long. So rechecking would be needed in millions of houses which would extend it even longer. The entire military and law enforcement combined are not going to be large enough to do it.

As long as we have a Supreme Court filled with justices who interpret the Constitution based on what was intended and not what they think they ought to have done back then, based on the liberal agenda of today we should be OK. But what are they going to do if they ban guns and 25 million gun owner flat out refuse to comply? I learned years ago in the service to never give an order which is impossible to carry out. I do not think passing a law, which would be impossible to enforce, is going to work out well for them. Prohibition failed and they passed a Constitutional Amendment to try it and it still failed miserably. Just passing a law is not going to work at all. 300 million guns out there, estimated 10 million AR15 type guns. That genie is never going to be put back into the bottle.

I love the attempt to ban large capacity clips, like that would make a real difference. Fully loaded, large capacity clips, are more prone to feeding issues than multiple lower capacity clips. Plus the time difference between shooting 30 rounds out of one clip or 30 rounds out of three clips is almost zero. But it sounds good to people who do not know. It is a straw-man argument created to make them feel like they are accomplishing something. End of rant.
Posted By: craigd Re: Way too close to home... - 03/24/21 11:23 AM
Originally Posted by KY Jon
....I was once worried about the lefts gun confiscation scheme, but no longer. Canada gave up on just trying to register guns in a computer system and Canadians are a lot more inclined to respect laws they consider silly. And they would need to go search every house, in the country, because there is no computer records of who has what in the US. It would be physically impossible to go door to door and collect every gun. If you consider owners would meekly turn over their guns you are kidding yourself in several million cases. Maybe tens of millions of cases. Just never going to happen. Going door to door would take years if not decades and who is to say if those guns would remain in place very long. So rechecking would be needed in millions of houses which would extend it even longer. The entire military and law enforcement combined are not going to be large enough to do it....
If the left is challenged with going door to door, there certainly might be a willingness on a selective basis for messaging. If they are willing to work at it for decades, haven't they already started. Isn't anyone who would've been one day underage, a criminal if they are in possession, but don't have a background check. I suppose the answer is no based on zip code, gang affiliation, and immigration status.

Isn't there a distinct effort to politicize the military and law enforcement. Aren't members who have expressed past leanings towards the right being purged. Isn't there plenty of registration available to document constitutionally taxing the ten plus round magazines that were sold with them. Aren't we much more likely to see letters in the mail and flags on background checks, rather than knocks on the door. All they need is an IT department?
Posted By: KY Jon Re: Way too close to home... - 03/24/21 11:57 AM
Direct confiscation is not going to work. It will be continued sniping around the edges. It is a lot like their attempts to restrict free speech. They are restricting it by restricting “hate speech” first and they and only they get to define what is hate speech.

The fake gun control arguments has always we are restricting your ability to buy but not own. Background checks to use a clearly expressed right in the Constitution. You don’t have to pass a background check to assemble, to have freedom of the press or free speech that they don’t claim is hate speech. It is this one right they hate so much. Part ignorance, part hating guns for what a few do with them to break the law, part sheep being told what to hate. And no gun law is going to stop those who want to abuse them for criminal purposes. Hammers, bats and knives are just as good at deadly. A lot of this is the Hollywood education too many have. Too many movies show how easy it is to hit a small target while riding a horse over rough ground. It is damn near impossible in real life but they make it seem like everyone can. It is fake news. Same with the computer games. All fake.

There are 300 million plus guns, 10-15 million AR15 type guns. They are going to be guns in this country forever.
Posted By: Geo. Newbern Re: Way too close to home... - 03/24/21 01:50 PM
Lefty States like New York have done a marvelous job of reducing the credibility of our political voice, the National Rifle Association. That political voice and our 2nd Amendment are the difference between us and the rest of the world. It seems clear that some of our entrenched NRA leaders bear much of the blame for the present situation, but as gun owners we must all stick together in support of our last best Second Amendment political voice. Join, for life...Geo
Posted By: dogon Re: Way too close to home... - 03/24/21 02:05 PM
Originally Posted by SKB
Paul,
just one minor point of correction, our background check system is far better here in CO using the CBI than most other states using the FBI. Over the last several weeks background checks have been taking between 5 minutes and a couple of hours. I have run two recently that have went right through.

I agree with the point of your post though no disputing that.
Steve

I realize that there is fluctuations in the timeline for the CBI background checks depending on the volume being processed. This is why I worded it as "at times up to two weeks" The system has cleared out and in the case of this shooter, it's looking like he recently acquired this weapon. It is still unclear whether he got the gun through the legal process or not. I guess we'll find this out as time goes on.

To answer some other questions; It's very easy to lie on a background check form as far as mental illness goes. We have medical privacy laws "HIPPA" that protects us from the need to share our personal medical history & prevents doctors from disclosing it as well. So if this shooter had seen a doctor for mental issues "Which is doubtful" his records of it wouldn't have been in the BATF's data base. Another oddity of background checks is the question about drug use including marijuana. Grass is legal in Colorado with pot shops everywhere these days, so it's fairly easy to presume that there's a bunch of gun buyers in Colorado lying on that question as well. The only way you would fail the background check system is if you were convicted of a drug crime and it was in the BATF's system.
Posted By: nca225 Re: Way too close to home... - 03/24/21 02:38 PM
Originally Posted by KY Jon
Direct confiscation is not going to work. It will be continued sniping around the edges. It is a lot like their attempts to restrict free speech. They are restricting it by restricting “hate speech” first and they and only they get to define what is hate speech.

The fake gun control arguments has always we are restricting your ability to buy but not own. Background checks to use a clearly expressed right in the Constitution. You don’t have to pass a background check to assemble, to have freedom of the press or free speech that they don’t claim is hate speech. It is this one right they hate so much. Part ignorance, part hating guns for what a few do with them to break the law, part sheep being told what to hate. And no gun law is going to stop those who want to abuse them for criminal purposes. Hammers, bats and knives are just as good at deadly. A lot of this is the Hollywood education too many have. Too many movies show how easy it is to hit a small target while riding a horse over rough ground. It is damn near impossible in real life but they make it seem like everyone can. It is fake news. Same with the computer games. All fake.

There are 300 million plus guns, 10-15 million AR15 type guns. They are going to be guns in this country forever.

+1. Well thought out and reasoned John. This is the reality that the Gov faces, even if just for registration.

And as I pointed out in another thread, before it was deleted, Sen. Manchin, thankfully, is already in opposition.
Posted By: nca225 Re: Way too close to home... - 03/24/21 02:40 PM
Originally Posted by KY Jon
If the war on guns goes like the war on drugs we are all going to need bigger gun safes. I was once worried about the lefts gun confiscation scheme, but no longer. Canada gave up on just trying to register guns in a computer system and Canadians are a lot more inclined to respect laws they consider silly. And they would need to go search every house, in the country, because there is no computer records of who has what in the US. It would be physically impossible to go door to door and collect every gun. If you consider owners would meekly turn over their guns you are kidding yourself in several million cases. Maybe tens of millions of cases. Just never going to happen. Going door to door would take years if not decades and who is to say if those guns would remain in place very long. So rechecking would be needed in millions of houses which would extend it even longer. The entire military and law enforcement combined are not going to be large enough to do it.

+1
Posted By: Run With The Fox Re: Way too close to home... - 03/24/21 04:39 PM
One of many good reasons here in MI was the fact that possessing a CPL (yes, I do indeed) meant that upon showing that at a gun show or Cabela's gun counter, that would waive the 4473 and the BS 'Stevie Nicks" checky-checky-- But last year, our dipstick lady Guv changed that-and delays in clearance proceedures are common-what a fubar. RWTF
Posted By: keith Re: Way too close to home... - 03/24/21 07:23 PM
Originally Posted by KY Jon
If the war on guns goes like the war on drugs we are all going to need bigger gun safes. I was once worried about the lefts gun confiscation scheme, but no longer. Canada gave up on just trying to register guns in a computer system and Canadians are a lot more inclined to respect laws they consider silly. And they would need to go search every house, in the country, because there is no computer records of who has what in the US. It would be physically impossible to go door to door and collect every gun. If you consider owners would meekly turn over their guns you are kidding yourself in several million cases. Maybe tens of millions of cases. Just never going to happen. Going door to door would take years if not decades and who is to say if those guns would remain in place very long. So rechecking would be needed in millions of houses which would extend it even longer. The entire military and law enforcement combined are not going to be large enough to do it.

Here's why I disagree with what KYJon said here... millions of gun owners around the world also thought it could never happen to them. Some resisted, but most quickly give in to authority. Just look at the number of people right here who are too meek to confront the supporters of anti-gun Democrats like nca225:

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Even if you resisted, and decided to not comply, do you really wish to live in a country where you have to hide your guns because your government decides you no longer have that Constitutional Right??? KYJon is wrong about the Canadians giving up their Long Gun Registry. Quebec never complied with the law to get rid of it, so all of those records of long guns and their owners remain in the hands of an anti-gun Liberal Left Government.

nca225 is now pretending to be happy that Sen. Joe Manchin might vote against Biden's new anti-gun laws. nca225 is also pretending to agree with what KYJon said, including the fact that we now have a pro-2nd Amendment majority on the Supreme Court. But please don't forget that nca225 has consistently supported Democrat anti-gunners like Obama and Biden, and denigrated Trump and all of the pro-gun Conservative Supreme Court nominees. This is why I often advise not paying attention to what people say, but rather what they actually do. On this forum, it often takes some effort to see the truth. There are people here with an agenda to convince you all that the Democrats are not a threat to your gun ownership rights.
Posted By: nca225 Re: Way too close to home... - 03/24/21 10:51 PM
Originally Posted by dogon
Much more to the story than just domestic terrorism. The reporting so far is indicating some form of known mental illness which dates back to his high school days. This guy was known & on the radar of local law enforcement & the FBI. It wasn't his first rodeo in this regard.

Predictably the Commiecrats are already calling for more gun control and Biden is calling for the swift passage of the gun control legislation currently moving through the house. Here's a link for a quick snap shot of where things stand at present.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...a-week-earlier/ar-BB1eT4uX?ocid=msedgdhp

Some facts to keep in mind when you see or hear the politicians & talking heads about this shooting. There are many gun laws in Colorado which have been enacted in the years since the Columbine & other shootings. Many of these are the same as the ones being called for by Biden & his Commiecrat comrades.

Here's the short list:

1. Colorado has universal background checks on all gun sales & transfers with the exception of some forms of family to family member transfers.
2. We have an instant background check system which has had up to a two week backlog for over a year now. So in effect we have had a waiting period for purchases due to the backlogged background checks waiting to be processed.
3. We have a red flag law which allows your guns to be confiscated if someone turns you in thinking you are a possible threat of some sort & a judge approves the confiscation.
4. The city of Boulder has a local ban on possession of so called assault weapons. I believe this is currently on a court ordered injunction due to possible constitutional issues with it.
5. We have a magazine capacity limit of ten rounds.
6. None of these measures prevented this shooting!!!

We now have some additional gun legislation currently moving through the state house.
1. Required safe storage of all firearms in your home.
2. Require trigger locks for all gun sales & transfers.
3. A required waiting period for all gun sales.

Apparently the shooter bought the firearm 6 days before and 4 days after that ordinance was struck down. Any information on where he purchased the AR-15 and wether it was sold with high capacity mags?
Posted By: pamtnman Re: Way too close to home... - 03/25/21 05:00 AM
One side of me hopes the Marxists do try to aggressively enforce their gun ban, so we get to have the big "re-set" they are promoting right now. Except it won't be what they expect. There are more angry right wing religious Bible-and-gun-loving Americans in my region alone than there are military members plus the alphabet agencies combined. We are all mad as h3ll over the stolen election and now that we see WHY they did it, the barbershop chatter is vehement. I might be expecting too many to assemble, but if even ten percent take part, there is nothing they can do to stop us from retaking our own country from these thieving usurpers.
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