recently saw a 20 ga parker dhe repro with P serial number prefix...google suggests guns with this marking were made for special purpose...such as prototypes, personal use or promotional activities...google also indicates these guns have very low serial numbers and unusual stock dimensions...your thoughts?

No

No, what?

No thoughts

mc, if you have nothing to say, then perhaps it is best you say nothing...

has anybody else out there ever seen one of these?

if so, pls tell us what you know about P marked parker repros...

Ed,
They are general thought of as "Prototypes". They are usually different in some way from production line guns. They may also have been gifts or promotional items (some theorize). I 0wn P-0041X which is a three barrel set with 20/16/16 GA barrels.
Bob Jurewicz

bob, interesting combo...an 41x is the highest numbered p gun i have heard of so far...

google also revealed that 16 ga barrels were made by krieghoff in germany and shipped to japan for assembly into multi barrelled sets...

understand csmc bought up surplus stock of 16 ga barrels for parker repros and fitted them to guns as well...

sadly, also read that stock of surplus parker repro parts stored in nj, were destroyed by a hurricane...

except for the unreliable single trigger and excess weight, parker repros are wonder guns...

i still say, csmc missed the boat when they failed to mass produce fox sterlingworth repros...including 28 ga and 410 bored guns...

perhaps there is still hope, yet?

I do not believe the barrels that Tony had were Krieghoff. He attempted to make is own replacements. The Project did not go well.
Tony did and still does have Krupp barrels for Ithaca Classic Doubles.
Bob Jurewicz

re krupp made barrels for icd...

bought one of the icd parts kits a few years ago...no indication as to who made barrels...always figured barrels were made in italy, as were the frames, as i understand it...

are krupp still a major supplier of shotgun barrels to the trade?

Kinda thick are you edd.

Ed,
The Parts Kits were all Italian. Those were parts that Steve Lamboy rejected for quality control issues. They were later sold by the Manufacturer to Dealers like CSMC and others. Some of the parts were assembled by the Manufacturer and sold as complete guns. These guns have a very bad reputation. They are easily identified by the ****** out printing on the botton of the receiver.
Bob Jurewicz

I own a proto-type 20 gauge with the serial number P36 on the trigger guard and P-00036 on the frame.

There is nothing especially unusual about the stock dimensions of mine.

I was told that there was an initial run of prototypes made (about 50 to 75) that were produced as part of a limited run and used as promotional items and gifts to give to business partners and friends of Tom Skeuse. This was supposedly all done while the factory was tooling up for volume production.What I was told was that there was a variety of different types of walnut used in the prototypes and in the end Tom decided to buy a large walnut supplier on the west coast to ensure a steady supply of high quality blanks for his endeavor. (Being a wealthy industrialist has it's perks).

There is probably a lot more to the story and maybe some of what I was told might be fictitious hearsay. Ironically, I live just over the Delaware river in Pennsylvania from Ringoes NJ, where the Skeuse's HQ was but found my Parker Repro new in the box in Maine while on a grouse/woodcock hunt a few years ago. The US headquarters of Krieghoff is just down the road from me in Ottsville as well. Krieghoff produced and imported the extra 16 gauge barrels there that were used in the combo sets.

"Is Krupp"? NOT "are Krupp"-- Ed, did you get past the the 6th grade in grammar school?== One member of our pheasant hunting club bought one of the first Parker Repr0's with the single selective trigger--he had it in Brad B's shop more often than he had it out shooting- clays or live birds..RWTF

krupp the corporation, are an are, as in day are...not an is, as in day is, ah wood tink...

an p-36 is a beauty...double or single trigger?

p gun i saw has double triggers...any other p guns out there wid double triggers, or is this one unique?

Unfortunately it is a single trigger.

But I had to have it anyway.

Mine is DT Ed.
Bob Jurewicz

They were talking about the P prototypes on the Parker Forum. Someone dug up an old post from 2011 from Richard Skeuse, son of "Mr. Skeuse".

I guess this could be the final word on the whole issue.

"Hi Guys, The "P" on the serial number was for Prototype. The first P numbered gun was # P 0026. I do not know how many were built as I was not that involved with them at that time. My father did not "give them away" as gifts etc. If you wanted one you ordered it just like anyone else, and you payed for it like anyone else. Hope that helps some."

"The P was only used on the first couple of orders of 20 Ga guns. It was not used after that. Only on 20's and nothing else. Thanks!"

Skeuse did buy a wood supplier near healdsberg California when I was there they had tons of cut English walnut and a yard full,of gigantic trees both English and black walnut.fyi

I have a record of Parker Reproduction P-11

Which begs the question, "Maybe P-1 through P-25 (or 1 through 25) were gifts to friends and family?"

wood luv to see more pix of P gons...

the one that started this thread is now in my hands...it is a rare config, i think...

28" barrels, double triggers, pistol grip...

Nope, that's not a rare configuration Ed.

Maybe as a "P" but not a rare Parker Reproduction configuration in general.

dam, if you know of any other 28" 20 ga repros with double triggers, pls provide link...tks, ed

I don't, but then I haven't been looking for one either.