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Posted By: Lloyd3 A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/27/20 07:32 PM
The topic at the breakfast table this morning was "where do we go now?". When the children are raised and/or are in college, your careers are winding down, and your adoptive state is changing in ways that are not attractive to you...where do you go. If you are deeply rooted, with an unbroken line of family and property to hold you, then the answer is fairly obvious. But...if you've already made that leap once in your life as a younger person, it is much easier to do it again later. If you hunt and fish and your values are clearly traditional...where do you go, where is that "last stand" made? The middle part of America still embraces the values most comfortable to the hunter/gatherer types, with small towns and cities aplenty. The advent of the internet has also changed the equation dramatically these days, arguably diminishing or even eliminating the isolating nature of lots of the more-backwoods locations. Also, as one ages the specter of medical and other needs does tend to rise...so the proximity of civilization does still hold a beacon. Can you still be within striking distance of a sizable city and yet have a deeper connection to a form of wilderness? Alaska springs to mind almost immediately, are there others? Idaho? Wyoming? the Dakotas? Where does one start? The coasts are beautiful in so-many ways and yet.. they are now so-crowded and many (almost all?) embrace values that are anathema to more-traditionally minded folks. Our world is clearly changing, how does one proactively respond?
Posted By: Replacement Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/27/20 08:28 PM
My cousin moved from Rock Springs WY to Saskatoon. Loves it. I'm in So Cal, looking at AZ and rural NV.
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/27/20 08:32 PM
Dad came back to his birth state a refugee of the politics of the East Coast. It was good for about 30 years, but, he remarked before his passing that if he wasnít so old it was time to move, again. The burned and looted south end of Minneapolis, stands, and will stand, for decades, in mute testimony to the failed progressive agenda that has driven the state in recent decades, with the further reward of the loss of a congressional seat or two due to the aging population having had enough of the antics, and fleeing. Youíve driven enough of the roads here to grasp the mismanagement of the peopleís hard earned money.

As have I. I have just a few more years.

Sioux Falls, Rapid City, and Springfield, MO are on the radar.

Minnesota, ainít.

I wish you all the luck in your choice. No doubt, we will be comparing notes, sooner, rather then later.

Best,
Ted
Posted By: Nitrah Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/27/20 11:19 PM
I am looking at the same thing. Due to some health limitations we can't be too hot. We'd prefer somewhere a little lower humidity, we are in S Mich.
Posted By: FallCreekFan Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 01:26 AM
The states you mention, Lloyd, are the normal first thoughts (and each has their unique advantages) but Iíd partially echo Ted. Missouri is not to be over looked. Iíve lived and hunted and fished all over the state including 5 years in Springfield. Fine people. Conservative values. Wonderful water and woods. Strong 2A supporters despite St. Louisí influence. Iíd be retired there now except that all the kids and grandkids are settled in CO and ID. Thereís no one perfect place left, though, IMHO.
Posted By: Hal Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 01:57 AM
Been rural for 54 years, so can't judge, but I would start with any farmstead or city of less than 50,000 at least 50 miles from any metro with over a quarter million residents before applying other criteria.
Posted By: Cameron Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 02:42 AM
I grew up in ID, moved to AK and lived there for about 18 years and then relocated back to ID. I lived off the road system for much of my time in AK and enjoyed it very much, mainly due to the hunting and fishing. I realized early on that if one wants to enjoy what AK has to offer, particularly in the bush, I would need a variety of "toys." Over the course of time, I accumulated a couple of boats, a couple of sno-go's and a plane. It didn't matter much what ones political leanings were, most folks had the "live and let live attitude." I lived there when I was in my 20's into my early 40's.

As the kids became school age, my wife and I realized that the area we lived would not be optimum for the kids concerning their education, social development and extra curricular activities, so we moved to Anchorage. I liked Anchorage as well, but being somewhat isolated from all close relatives, we decided to move back (for me) to Idaho. The kids were born in AK and my wife, elsewhere. We moved, initially to my fairly small home town, which seems like a town that "time forgot!"

I've discussed with a good friend who also lived and taught in AK for a number of years, if, at our age, we could handle the adventure that was AK! Our conclusion is, probably not, at least not the bush!

The area we now live in ID has grown substantially, but still holds to the traditional values I grew up with. I travel to my small home town regularly to visit my mom and help with the upkeep of the place...it's still a small logging community with all of the outdoor opportunities I enjoy and it still holds to the values it had when I was growing up. There are many small communities in ID that remain as they were, for the most part, 30-40 years ago!

As was mentioned, there's not one perfect place. but if my wife would be amenable to it (she's coming around), I would move the 55-60 miles to the town of my youth to make my "last stand" hunting, fishing and tending to our property that we manage for timber production. And yes, I could live the "form of wilderness" lifestyle and be fairly close to first rate medical facilities.
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 04:00 AM
Russia would be happy have you Lloyd. And besides, they owe you one, you did a lot of heavy lifting for their agenda.

Here is some info for you to help you get on your journey:
https://fpc.org.uk/russias-traditional-values-leadership/

Take care and Godspeed comrade!
Posted By: craigd Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 04:52 AM
And, we get yet another reminder of the type of person that is supposed to be tolerated while they wreck blue states.

A consideration could be a college bound child, and if in-state institutions and tuition is desireable? Don't rule out cost of living and taxes. States like nca cheers for may have pockets of honest, genuine right leaning residents, but you'll have to think about nca's lies when you write the check for taxes that serve him, not you and your family.

Maybe, the answer is a modest part time place, situated on the edge of public land that does not have access roads in the area, or allow motorized vehicle access? Maybe, don't overly commit to a big move as your son may not be quite ready to leave the nest just because he starts college, and you and your wife may see benefit in being close to where he settle when he's all grown up?

Mostly, just keep the the knowledge that there is no common ground when dealing with an nca, either as a neighbor or in the state or local government of HIS stand.
Posted By: OldMaineWoodsman Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 12:59 PM
My wife and I have been discussing this subject for some time. I retired last year. Our kids are grown, have jobs and families of their own. Basically it is just the wife and I. We have seven grand-kids and we both do not want to be far from them. I grew up in Upstate New York. Going back there is not an option. Wife is from Northern England.

Virginia has really gone down and is headed into a deeper slide into lunatic left land I fear. When we moved here over 20 years ago our area was still fairly rural. It has exploded in growth with no end in sight. The traffic, sprawl, growth, and crime that comes with it has led to us looking elsewhere. We lived in Maine for a number of years and I would love to go back. A little too far from the family though. Another option is staying in Virginia but moving to one of the more rural, Republican strong-hold counties like Highland. Sadly, the State government is led by increasingly intrusive out of State left-wingers and I don't see it changing.

I am very torn right now. I have always considered myself an optimist, and as a student of history I know that as a country we have weathered worse. I'm not sure anymore. As to a "last stand," I think our last stand should be beating down the left so that they are no longer a threat for at least a generation or two. They are not simply an opposing view anymore. They are a threat to our freedom and liberty.
Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 01:07 PM
Originally Posted By: OldMaineWoodsman
I am very torn right now. I have always considered myself an optimist, and as a student of history I know that as a country we have weathered worse. I'm not sure anymore. As to a "last stand," I think our last stand should be beating down the left so that they are no longer a threat for at least a generation or two. They are not simply an opposing view anymore. They are a threat to our freedom and liberty.


Hear!, hear! Excellently articulated.

SRH
Posted By: keith Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 05:51 PM
It seems as though everyone wants to get away from the lunatic left states. We see plenty of people fleeing California, New York, Illinois, and other liberal disaster areas. But we do not see the opposite in Conservative Red states.

Liberal left socialists like rocky mtn bill leave their liberal left homes, and they migrate to Conservative states. But then, like a cancer, they start to try implementing their liberal dogma in their new adopted states. So in short order, they begin to screw up those places as well.

It is refreshing to see more and more people finally reaching the conclusion that liberalism is a threat to our Republic, and a mental disorder. But it is going to take much more than that to reverse the tide. I've long thought that a good place for gun owners to start is simply to ditch the silly notion that we need to accept these libtard guys into some Big Tent. That is simply absurd, because they are stabbing us in the backs with their unbridled support for anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats.
Posted By: OldMaineWoodsman Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 06:39 PM
It's a problem in Virginia. It is looking more and more like Terry McAuliffe will be elected Governor again. He is actually from my hometown of Syracuse, New York. He attended a rival high school. He could not get elected to the lowest local position in New York State, yet he shows up in Virginia and gets elected as Governor in 2014. Since you can only do one term here, he laid low for a term and now plans to run again. Because the Republican's can never seem to get their act together and run someone exciting, he is most likely going to cruise to another term. Which means even more restrictive gun laws that do nothing to stop violent crime.

The left run State House and Senate just keep passing intrusive laws while trying to neuter law enforcement. A quick look at most of their bios show that many are not even from Virginia. Many are from the usual suspect States, New York, New Jersey, etc. A couple more are not even from this country. Not that a naturalized citizen shouldn't hold office, but at least believe in and support liberty and freedom. Virginia is now much like New York State. The Upstate vote no longer matters, it is how NYC goes, so goes the State. Same in Virginia. The rural vote no longer matters. So goes Richmond and the Northern VA suburbs so goes the State. It is wrong, but it is the sign of the times.
Posted By: rocky mtn bill Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 06:45 PM
Keith, As usual, and typical for conservaturds, you assume things you cannot know. You have no evidence, but you just know they're true. I was born and raised in Montana. My career took me to other places, but this is home. As for the threat to the republic, see today's New York Post regarding Trump's, and your, delusions. You're a sucker and a loser. The big tent is why you lost, and given your cultish devotion why you'll go on losing and losing. Consider emigrating to Serbia. It's a place that shares your values.
Posted By: craigd Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 07:23 PM
Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
....I was born and raised in Montana. My career took me to other places, but this is home. As for the threat to the republic, see today's New York Post regarding Trump's, and your, delusions....

We've 'discussed' specifics about the Montana of today, in which there is evidence of libturdism that was not around eightyish years ago, but do you really view your home through the lense of the nypost?

What would a big city, east coast blog do to nuture your feelings of entitlement to free access elk hunting in the Rockies?
Posted By: rocky mtn bill Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 07:35 PM
Craig, you obviously know little of Montana history. This is a mining state, and miners here are union members.We have a long history of Democratic politics and some famous members. The state's descent into Republicanism is strewn with sorry events. Check out the murder of the Montana Power Company.
Posted By: craigd Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 08:14 PM
Yes Bill, I've seen some heavy metal defoliation, indiscriminant tailing piles, stripping, tainted streams and super fund clean up sites, or is that part of the democrat platform that you selectively ignore? The industry of the no benefit, contract worker.

Actually, one of my biggest regrets is not buying a little mining claim up in the Lewis and Clark for a hunting cabin, old shafts all over those mountains.
Posted By: SKB Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 08:14 PM
That is the wonder of public land hunting in the west, anyone with the motivation and a tag can hunt our public lands, generally free of charge. That is the kind of entitlement I fully support, and one of the reasons I strongly beleive in sensible management of those lands.
Posted By: BEY Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 08:18 PM
Montana is reliably Republican, by any metric.
Posted By: BrentD Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 08:27 PM
Originally Posted By: BEY
Montana is reliably Republican, by any metric.


Also reliably a federal welfare state by any metric.
Posted By: craigd Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 08:39 PM
Originally Posted By: SKB
That is the wonder of public land hunting in the west, anyone with the motivation and a tag can hunt our public lands, generally free of charge. That is the kind of entitlement I fully support, and one of the reasons I strongly beleive in sensible management of those lands.

No doubt Steve, that's why I think a modest place snugged up against a large wilderness area can be a beautiful thing. There is no entitlement to the land, but hunters might be entitled to work a little to access it and appreciate its game resources?
Posted By: rocky mtn bill Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 08:45 PM
The Anaconda Co wasn't a Democratic operation. No one here ignores that legacy. The Berkley Pit is a monument to laissez-faire industry. Somehow, voters here still forget. It's a mystery. Oh, I forget that some voters all over still prefer the Liar-in- Chief. Yes. Republicans are all for welfare as long as they're on the receiving end of it. JUst don't let any of it trickle down to the poor.
Posted By: craigd Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 08:47 PM
Originally Posted By: BrentD
....Also reliably a federal welfare state by any metric.

No, ask Bill, not by any old metric, but very specific ones. Military defensive coverage and native American services come to mind. Ask Bill, when you and him create the drug addiction culture, then mandate a Montana 'healthcare industry', of course you win according to your metric. But, that's not any metric, it is the misery metric.
Posted By: craigd Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 08:50 PM
Bill, I bet you might have a decent point or two, but pandering to nca is not a good look.
Posted By: Run With The Fox Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 08:53 PM
Anaconda Copper- the mines, back in the WW1 era and into the 1920's- where they workers worked 12 hours shifts, and had to piss in their pants, no bathroom facilities for them.. RWTF
Posted By: BEY Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 10:20 PM
Blues states are generally higher in Welfare.
Welfare by state. Total and per capita.
Monatana is one of the lowest by total and lower half in per capita

Wyoming: $843M
South Dakota: $1.1B
North Dakota: $1.6B
Montana: $1.8B
Vermont: $1.8B
Alaska: $2.2B
Delaware: $2.4B
Idaho: $2.5B
New Hampshire: $2.6B
Rhode Island: $2.6B
Nebraska: $2.7B
Hawaii: $2.9B
Maine: $3.4B
Utah: $3.6B
Kansas: $4.2B
Nevada: $4.2B
West Virginia: $4.4B
New Mexico: $5.7B
Mississippi: $6.3B
Iowa: $6.5B
Oklahoma: $6.6B
Arkansas: $6.9B
Alabama: $7.2B
South Carolina: $7.4B
Connecticut: $7.5B
Colorado: $8.5B
Louisiana: $8.7B
Missouri: $8.9B
Oregon: $10.4B
Kentucky: $11.2B
Tennessee: $11.5B
Georgia: $11.7B
Maryland: $12.1B
Virginia: $12.1B
Wisconsin: $12.3B
Indiana: $12.7B
Washington: $12.9B
North Carolina: $13.4B
Arizona: $14.0B
Minnesota: $15.6B
Michigan: $16.9B
New Jersey: $17.7B
Massachusetts: $19.9B
Illinois: $20.2B
Ohio: $26.2B
Florida: $26.7B
Pennsylvania: $30.3B
Texas: $36.9B
New York: $65.6B
California: $98.5B

Public Welfare State & Local Expenditures Per Capita in 2018
Rank State FIPS Code Per Capita Expenditures
1 District of Columbia 11000 5,339
2 New York 36000 3,908
3 Alaska 02000 3,641
4 Massachusetts 25000 3,446
5 California 06000 3,338
6 New Mexico 35000 3,037
7 Minnesota 27000 3,027
8 Rhode Island 44000 3,003
9 Vermont 50000 2,899
10 Delaware 10000 2,794
11 West Virginia 54000 2,727
12 Oregon 41000 2,688
13 Kentucky 21000 2,674
14 Louisiana 22000 2,624
15 Ohio 39000 2,522
16 Maine 23000 2,506
17 Pennsylvania 42000 2,474
18 Arkansas 05000 2,265
19 Wisconsin 55000 2,256
20 Maryland 24000 2,184
21 Montana 30000 2,137
22 Arizona 04000 2,124
23 Hawaii 15000 2,110
24 Mississippi 28000 2,108
25 Indiana 18000 2,083
26 New Jersey 34000 2,039
27 North Dakota 38000 2,035
28 Iowa 19000 1,972
29 Illinois 17000 1,835
30 New Hampshire 33000 1,776
31 Tennessee 47000 1,764
32 Alabama 01000 1,751
33 Michigan 26000 1,747
34 Washington 53000 1,725
35 Oklahoma 40000 1,722
36 Colorado 08000 1,713
37 Missouri 29000 1,609
38 South Carolina 45000 1,588
39 Idaho 16000 1,565
40 Wyoming 56000 1,513
41 Nebraska 31000 1,502
42 North Carolina 37000 1,483
43 Virginia 51000 1,479
44 Kansas 20000 1,449
45 Nevada 32000 1,410
46 Texas 48000 1,375
47 Florida 12000 1,362
48 South Dakota 46000 1,349
49 Utah 49000 1,286
50 Georgia 13000 1,207
51 Connecticut 09000 1,089
Data Source: Rockefeller Institute of Government, U.S. Census Bureau
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 10:25 PM
Incidentally Lloyd, why did you title this thread as "last stand"? Those words implicate a desire to hold your ground. But isn't that exactly the opposite of what you are looking for advice to do, turn tail and run like a coward? Aren't you looking for a place to run towards from all those nasty democrats in CO?

Don't let the door hit you on the way out I guess.

This also begs one of two other questions. One being just how strongly you believe in these "values" and the other being just how well reasoned these "values" are in the first place.

Surely these "values" that you claim which are being affronted, were strong and desirable values, they would be well equipped to hold up to the scrutiny of other ideas or values in the free market place of ideas. But not for you. You are not defending them when you have to run away.

Or maybe its your faith in these values that is weak? Seems to me that you don't have it in you to stand up for them and just want to run from other ideas and values like a coward.

Please elaborate.

Last stand? Please. Wouldn't put up the white flag and run like a coward be more apropos to what you are asking?
Posted By: rocky mtn bill Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 10:39 PM
CRaig, There you go again. Brent and I created a drug culture? Prey tell how we did that. That Montana receives more federal dollars than it sends to Washington is not my fault. We're a poor state. Wages and jobs are slim. The rich summer here and drive up housing prices. RWTF, the lack of sanitary facilities was the least of those miners' troubles. At the smelter in Anaconda, there were jobs in which the averge life expectancy was 35 years. Butte was the richest city between Chicago and San Fransisco, but mine workers had to strike every six months or so to keep body and soul together.
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 11:21 PM
Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
CRaig, There you go again. Brent and I created a drug culture? Prey tell how we did that. That Montana receives more federal dollars than it sends to Washington is not my fault. We're a poor state. Wages and jobs are slim. The rich summer here and drive up housing prices.


This is actually a step up for thrifty bill. He usually has a certain type of blame the victim mentality. A very specific type of attitude you find with security guards or corrections officers that become disillusioned with what they are tasked to protect.

Kind like a college campus cop that resents the students cause he hates them to a one, because he knows they are all on a better career path than him, and having more fun while at it.

At least now he is looking a little beyond those walls. Give him credit where its due.
Posted By: rocky mtn bill Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 11:26 PM
nca, Are you referring to me? Please let me know so that I can offer an appropriate response.
Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 11:27 PM
Originally Posted By: rocky man bill
I was born and raised in Montana.


Which goes to show that no state is foolproof.

SRH
Posted By: rocky mtn bill Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 11:27 PM
nca, Are you referring to me? Please let me know so that I can offer an appropriate response.
Posted By: rocky mtn bill Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 11:31 PM
Stan, Anyone who continues to support Trump is among the great fools of all time. Read the New York Post piece today. When Rupert Merdock has had it with Trump, it's a pretty good sign anyone still in that camp is as big a chump as ever lived.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 11:35 PM
Originally Posted By: nca225

This is actually a step up for thrifty bill.

This is actually a step up for thrifty, bill.

Make sense now? (thrifty ie craigd)


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Posted By: rocky mtn bill Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 11:46 PM
lonesome roads, I hope you're right. It just goes to show how much difference punctuation can make.
Posted By: keith Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 11:47 PM
Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
As for the threat to the republic, see today's New York Post regarding Trump's, and your, delusions.


Billy, I'm actually kind of happy that you referenced that Editorial in today's N.Y. Post. Did you even bother to read it???

If you had bothered to read it, you might take note of some very important points. The editorial is encouraging Trump to concede rather than continue to fight what they view as a losing battle. They mentioned a couple failed recounts. But they do not mention that those recounts did not do anything to eliminate mail-in ballots that were cast without proper voter I.D.

How do you feel about voter I'D Laws Billy... and why do you think that requiring the same photo I.D. that is asked of hunters when they buy a license, or of young people when they buy alcohol or tobacco products, disenfranchises anyone?

Those recounts also did not eliminate votes cast by the dead, or mail-in ballots that were post-marked too late, or numerous other well documented irregularities that I have outlined for you several times now.

But more important was that the gist of the Post Editorial was the importance of Trump rallying the country to help insure a REPUBLICAN win in the Georgia Senate runoff election. The Post feels the most important thing Trump can do is to help this runoff election succeed for REPUBLICANS... so they can thwart Altzheimer Joe Biden's plans to undo all the good that Trump has done in 4 years.

Did you see that Billy??? The editors feel your guy is a threat to the Republic, and if Dumbocrats win the Senate, they will raise taxes, re-enter the Iran Nuclear Deal, throw open the Southern Border to unfettered illegal immigration, pack the Supreme Court, etc.

They neglected to mention the Biden threat to the 2nd Amendment Rights of Law Abiding U.S. Citizens.

So do you agree with the conclusions of the editors of the N.Y. Post Billy, or are you just going to cherry-pick the part you like, and ignore the real intent, which is to thwart everything you voted for?

I don't expect any detailed response Billy. I expect you to now take your usual gutless path, and pretend you don't see most of my questions. But like it or not, the source you cited happens to think that your anti-gun choice, Altzheimer Joe Biden, will be very bad for the country... and I agree completely. That's why I feel gun owners who value their Gun Rights should reject your kind, and begin to see you all as a threat to our 2nd Amendment... and our Republic.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 11:49 PM
Iíd offer some advice but jeepers, I retired in Detroit.


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Posted By: Replacement Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/28/20 11:56 PM
Quote:
Merdock


Seriously?
Posted By: rocky mtn bill Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 12:10 AM
Keith, why should he concede unless he clearly lost, something every sane person could see from the outset? You can dream all you want ,but your earlier comments about a stolen election show you for a fool even FOX can't redeem. Dream on. Trump is the worst thing that ever happened since Pearl Harbor; nothing can change that.
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 12:12 AM
Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
nca, Are you referring to me? Please let me know so that I can offer an appropriate response.


No. I described thrifty aka craigd. And in detail I think.
Posted By: keith Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 12:21 AM
Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
Keith, why should he concede unless he clearly lost, something every sane person could see from the outset? You can dream all you want ,but your earlier comments about a stolen election show you for a fool even FOX can't redeem. Dream on. Trump is the worst thing that ever happened since Pearl Harbor; nothing can change that.


Billy, your opening sentence makes absolutely no sense at all. And it also ignores abundant evidence of widespread fraud in the recent election. If they clearly saw from the outset that Trump had clearly lost, why do you think they waited almost two full months to encourage him to throw in the towel?

But I guess it does serve to help you avoid answering the very simple questions I asked you. Did you actually read the entire N.Y. Post editorial? Are you going to ask us all to ignore the fact that the intent was to maintain a REPUBLICAN majority in the U.S. Senate, in order to prevent your anti-gun choice Joe Biden from undoing all of the great things Trump accomplished in 4 years? And why are you only mentioning the small part that you happen to like?

You can keep running from these simple questions Billy. But don't blame me if people realize that you are afraid of the truth.

Originally Posted By: Replacement
Quote:
Merdock


Seriously?


Yes, seriously! This is what you get from a retired English teacher who is little more than a Democrat sock-puppet.
Posted By: OldMaineWoodsman Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 12:30 AM
Sort of an election point:

This morning on the local news they were discussing people who may want to return or exchange unwanted Christmas gifts.

The report went on to say that stores were requiring a photo ID to protect against "Return Fraud."

So you need a photo ID to return an unwanted Christmas gift, but God forbid you should be required to have one to vote.

Let that sink in for a minute...
Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 12:40 AM
It can't sink in a liberal's head ..........too much density there.

SRH
Posted By: Lloyd3 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 12:44 AM
These missives always seem to go a bit off-track for some reason. I must confess, I have been a bit troubled by needing to relocate more to pursue my outdoors activities but I'd never expected to be called cowardly for doing it. Demography is indeed destiny, it would seem. Add a few people and "wild" places aren't so wild anymore. The other component of all this is the "California Problem". California is clearly a one party, wholly-dysfunctional monolith now (and for lots of reasons that have been described many times and places before). It is also exporting it's disease around to other the western states and causing similar problems for them, (Colorado being just one of many). If I had endless time and resources (which I clearly don't) I suppose I could stick around Colorado and spend all my time politicking and funding various efforts to beat back the Marxist plague. No thanks. Hopefully, this country will wise up and learn from the ongoing disaster along our western coast in time to save itself. No...the productive time I have left is going to be spent on more immediate needs. No tilting windmills for me at this stage of life.
Posted By: SKB Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 12:44 AM
I like mail in voting and have been doing it that way for years. This year I was required to verify my signature on my ballot, which I did. Seems safe to me and we in Colorado have had little to no issues regarding mail in voter fraud. We did have a case of Republican party officials being accused by other Republicans of vote tampering but that is not a popular subject.
Posted By: Jtplumb Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 12:54 AM
Funny hearing some disgruntle liberal state employee ( probably high school teacher) using the campus police as an example like that. Misery loves company. Kinda guy that wants everybody in the country to make about the same amount of pay( like himself or herself) with no hard work, risk or fortitude. You socialist scum make me sick, I believe you belong over there Comrade.
Please take a look at yourself and that description of the campus cop!
You people, donít get it.
Posted By: craigd Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 01:05 AM
Originally Posted By: SKB
I like mail in voting and have been doing it that way for years. This year I was required to verify my signature on my ballot, which I did. Seems safe to me and we in Colorado have had little to no issues regarding mail in voter fraud. We did have a case of Republican party officials being accused by other Republicans of vote tampering but that is not a popular subject.

Don't worry Steve, being the designated forum mall cop, I'll look into the popularity or lack there of, of your agenda. By the way, you absentee vote, not mail-in vote. Try that again and I'll put a chalk mark on your tires, and boot your tail out of the paraphernalia store loading zone, a minute early.
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 01:08 AM
Originally Posted By: OldMaineWoodsman
Sort of an election point:

This morning on the local news they were discussing people who may want to return or exchange unwanted Christmas gifts.

The report went on to say that stores were requiring a photo ID to protect against "Return Fraud."

So you need a photo ID to return an unwanted Christmas gift, but God forbid you should be required to have one to vote.

Let that sink in for a minute...


You have no constitutional right to return gifts. Nor is returning merchandise considered to be a fundamental right.

Thatís why.
Posted By: SKB Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 01:13 AM
We do not need to request an absentee ballot in Colorado. Every registered voter receives a ballot in the mail which can be dropped in a drop box, mailed in, or voted on in person.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-colorado...rus-11603900816
Posted By: craigd Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 01:13 AM
Originally Posted By: nca225
....You have no constitutional right to return gifts. Nor is returning merchandise considered to be a fundamental right.

Thatís why.

Huh, I thought the Constitution of the USA was a living and breathing door mat? You better clear this nonsense w/barries appointees, before you trample on the someones feelings.
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 01:22 AM
Thatís how you treat it thrifty. You must of served as well. Another ward youíve come to resent.
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 01:43 AM
Originally Posted By: Lloyd3
These missives always seem to go a bit off-track for some reason. I must confess, I have been a bit troubled by needing to relocate more to pursue my outdoors activities but I'd never expected to be called cowardly for doing it. Demography is indeed destiny, it would seem. Add a few people and "wild" places aren't so wild anymore.


So then why were you talking about "traditional values" or your adoptive state changing in ways that are not attractive Lloyd?

Originally Posted By: Lloyd3
...your adoptive state is changing in ways that are not attractive to you...where do you go....and your values are clearly traditional...where do you go, where is that "last stand" made? The middle part of America still embraces the values most comfortable to the hunter/gatherer types, ... The coasts are beautiful in so-many ways and yet.. they are now so-crowded and many (almost all?) embrace values that are anathema to more-traditionally minded folks. Our world is clearly changing, how does one proactively respond?


This more than just about finding a good trout hole Lloyd.

Posted By: craigd Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 02:16 AM
Originally Posted By: nca225
....So then why were you talking about "traditional values" or your adoptive state changing in ways that are not attractive....

...This more than just about finding a good trout hole....

You may be quite a bit smarter than you look.
Posted By: JDH Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 04:31 AM
SKB,RMB,NCA225 and BrentD. You have become what you condemn. Look at the oppressive dogma of the liberal world view. It tolerates no other view point.Go to Russia or more specifically Siberia. Why? You are creating that oppressive environment here. I can easily see you creating local truth and reconciliation committees to ensure no straying from the liberal plantation. As to last stand, I fear it just occurred - America lost.
Posted By: keith Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 06:29 AM
Originally Posted By: nca225
Originally Posted By: OldMaineWoodsman
Sort of an election point:

This morning on the local news they were discussing people who may want to return or exchange unwanted Christmas gifts.

The report went on to say that stores were requiring a photo ID to protect against "Return Fraud."

So you need a photo ID to return an unwanted Christmas gift, but God forbid you should be required to have one to vote.

Let that sink in for a minute...


You have no constitutional right to return gifts. Nor is returning merchandise considered to be a fundamental right.

Thatís why.


The transgender idiot Sissy Chrissy nca225 is too brain dead to realize that the 2nd Amendment is also a Constitutional Right. But the Liberal Left demands that you not only show I.D. to buy a gun, they demand you undergo Universal Background Checks as well...

To top it all off, this firearms transfer you go through must be paid for by the purchaser of a gun. And those restrictions are not enough for Liberal Left Democrats. They also wish to further infringe upon that Constitutional Right by restricting the type and number of guns you purchase, and the ammunition you use. And if you pass along your own gun... your own private property... to your child or grandchild, Liberal Democrats want them to also be subject to the same Background and I.D. Check.

Yet Sissy Chrissy nca225, rocky mtn bill, BrentD, SKB, and all of the other Libtards and closet Libtards here still support anti-gunners like Altzheimer Joe Biden... who has spent 47 years working to eliminate guns or create as many road-blocks as possible to ownership and use of them.

EDIT: By the way, I'm not sure how anyone can say that they verify their signature on a mail-in ballot when the voter does not show his face or photo I.D. at the polls at the time of the vote. In many states, the signature of the supposed voter was on an envelope that was separate from the actual ballot. And in many cases, there was no attempt made to verify those signatures with those on the lists of registered voters. No photo I.D. was shown, and there was no attempt to verify U.S. Citizenship... also required by the Constitution.
Posted By: KY Jon Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 06:31 AM
Where to live? My wife and I are eight and six years from retirement. We both wish to work until we hit 70. One option I have is to return to Maryland, where most of my real estate is, but that state is a liberal cesspool, with high taxes and intrusive government wanting to control everything you can do with your land. So that is a total non starter for me.

Kids are spread out so no easy answer there. Might just pick a location with the most grand kids, good medical care, reasonable taxes. Been thinking about selling all my land back East and buying where ever we pick to live. Sure do not want to sell and give too much away in taxes. Good news is I still have time to decide. Bad news is there might not be any good answers.
Posted By: SKB Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 09:22 AM
The reason you do not understand how anyone could verify a signature on a mail in ballot is because you have preconceived ideas about mail in voting due to your consumption of right wing media. Pretty simple really. The signature on file for me did not have enough similarities to satisfy the person who verifies them. I was then sent a form with several options to prove that it was indeed me voting. I chose to send them a copy of my utility bill and sign an affidavit. Works slick as could be.
Posted By: OldMaineWoodsman Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 11:36 AM
During my Navy days each command had a young officer who served as the Voting Officer. He put the word out, gave a brief, made sure you were registered, verified your legal residence, verified your identity and ordered your absentee ballot. He then took your sealed ballot and ensured that it got mailed out.

That is a big, big, difference to what we saw this time around.

I have no problem at all with absentee voting, but it should only be for people who cannot otherwise vote in their legal State of residence, or people with a true, disability or reason that prevents them from getting to the polls. It should not be a matter of simple convenience. Like everything else, the left found a way to fraud it to a certain degree.

The same with early voting. You should have a genuine reason, not just because you are "too busy" on Election Day or you don't want to stand in line. It is out of control.

And yes, you should prove you are who you say you are prior to voting. And finally, enough of the selective Constitutional or Fundamental rights. You either support and believe in the Constitution or you don't. You don't have a line item veto on it's contents.
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 02:04 PM
Originally Posted By: JDH
Go to Russia or more specifically Siberia. Why? As to last stand, I fear it just occurred - America lost.


This is why JDH.

https://thehill.com/sites/default/files/...g?itok=jNPuFwCE

And frankly, if you are a drumpf supporter, you wouldn't know the truth if it smacked you in the face.
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 02:16 PM
Originally Posted By: keith

The transgender idiot Sissy Chrissy nca225 is too brain dead to realize that the 2nd Amendment is also a Constitutional Right. But the Liberal Left demands that you not only show I.D. to buy a gun, they demand you undergo Universal Background Checks as well...

To top it all off, this firearms transfer you go through must be paid for by the purchaser of a gun. And those restrictions are not enough for Liberal Left Democrats. They also wish to further infringe upon that Constitutional Right by restricting the type and number of guns you purchase, and the ammunition you use. And if you pass along your own gun... your own private property... to your child or grandchild, Liberal Democrats want them to also be subject to the same Background and I.D. Check.

Yet Sissy Chrissy nca225, rocky mtn bill, BrentD, SKB, and all of the other Libtards and closet Libtards here still support anti-gunners like Altzheimer Joe Biden... who has spent 47 years working to eliminate guns or create as many road-blocks as possible to ownership and use of them.

EDIT: By the way, I'm not sure how anyone can say that they verify their signature on a mail-in ballot when the voter does not show his face or photo I.D. at the polls at the time of the vote. In many states, the signature of the supposed voter was on an envelope that was separate from the actual ballot. And in many cases, there was no attempt made to verify those signatures with those on the lists of registered voters. No photo I.D. was shown, and there was no attempt to verify U.S. Citizenship... also required by the Constitution.


As per usual princess is too stupid to realize that, even though there is a contsitutional right to bare arms, it is because the purpose of a firearm is to kill, the right to bare them should be reasonably regulated. The right to bare a firearm is not a fundamental right such as voting. Furthermore the right to vote is much more attenuated to violence then the right to bare arms is. Yet princess is just too dense to understand.

Once again princess shows just how fundamentally stupid she is and at the core of it, she is just a dumb single issue voter. So sad, but what else should we expect from a closet nazi?
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 02:22 PM
Originally Posted By: OldMaineWoodsman
During my Navy days each command had a young officer who served as the Voting Officer. He put the word out, gave a brief, made sure you were registered, verified your legal residence, verified your identity and ordered your absentee ballot. He then took your sealed ballot and ensured that it got mailed out.

That is a big, big, difference to what we saw this time around.

I have no problem at all with absentee voting, but it should only be for people who cannot otherwise vote in their legal State of residence, or people with a true, disability or reason that prevents them from getting to the polls. It should not be a matter of simple convenience. Like everything else, the left found a way to fraud it to a certain degree.

The same with early voting. You should have a genuine reason, not just because you are "too busy" on Election Day or you don't want to stand in line. It is out of control.

And yes, you should prove you are who you say you are prior to voting. And finally, enough of the selective Constitutional or Fundamental rights. You either support and believe in the Constitution or you don't. You don't have a line item veto on it's contents.



How come all of the various Republican State election officials did not see the same thing this time around as you Woodsman?

Its because there was no fruad and the entire election was on the up and up.

Some advice for you: Instead of trying to restrict the ability of people to vote, a better approach is to put forward better ideas and policies to to earn the peoples vote. Then your side will start winning elections and you wouldn't look like childish losers anymore crying about that phantom fraud.
Posted By: keith Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 02:24 PM
Originally Posted By: SKB
The reason you do not understand how anyone could verify a signature on a mail in ballot is because you have preconceived ideas about mail in voting due to your consumption of right wing media. Pretty simple really. The signature on file for me did not have enough similarities to satisfy the person who verifies them. I was then sent a form with several options to prove that it was indeed me voting. I chose to send them a copy of my utility bill and sign an affidavit. Works slick as could be.


Ah, now I see how this works...

If hundreds of election observers sign sworn afadavits attesting to election irregularities and outright fraud that they witnessed, then Liberals who are opposed to voter I.D. laws simply repeat the mantra that there is no evidence.

See the post from Sissy Chrissy nca225 above to see how this liberal propaganda concerning election fraud works. Deny, lie, and deny some more.

But if some conscientious poll worker questions your signature, and you sign an afadavit, then all is good, and the whole system is perfectly safe and secure in your mind.

I'm in complete agreement with Oldmainewoodsman's ideas about who should and should not be using absentee or mail-in ballots, voter I.D., and early voting in particular. There is way too much potential for fraud and abuse. For most of our lives, the first Tuesday in November was perfectly adequate, but all of a sudden, the liberal left is clamoring for voting long before the candidates even finish their debates.

The greatest failure of Trump and Republicans in the nation's entire history may turn out to be securing our election process, and not doing more to investigate and prosecute (and severely punish) all instances of vote fraud.
Posted By: BrentD Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 02:26 PM
Originally Posted By: JDH
SKB,RMB,NCA225 and BrentD. You have become what you condemn. Look at the oppressive dogma of the liberal world view. It tolerates no other view point.Go to Russia or more specifically Siberia. Why? You are creating that oppressive environment here. I can easily see you creating local truth and reconciliation committees to ensure no straying from the liberal plantation. As to last stand, I fear it just occurred - America lost.


Look at you! You toller at no other view point except your own repressive dogma.

You are so damn wrong you haven't got the first clue of what or who you are talking about. Yet you follow an orange orangutan with a religious cult-like zeal. Believing every word he says, even when he contradicts himself with yet another lie.

You worship a Hollywood celebrity who is nothing more than a spoiled rich brat that has cheated and lied his way through life from the beginning. He is the sort of person you idolize? He is your role model? Your leader? You are the one that is nuts.

If you didn't figure this out before 2016, is certainly has to be clear now as we see what he has done to make CV19 as bad as possible in the USA and how he has deserted his job while continuing to whine and play golf in the last months of his presidency.

You should be ashamed of yourself.
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 02:35 PM
Originally Posted By: keith
Originally Posted By: SKB
The reason you do not understand how anyone could verify a signature on a mail in ballot is because you have preconceived ideas about mail in voting due to your consumption of right wing media. Pretty simple really. The signature on file for me did not have enough similarities to satisfy the person who verifies them. I was then sent a form with several options to prove that it was indeed me voting. I chose to send them a copy of my utility bill and sign an affidavit. Works slick as could be.


Ah, now I see how this works...

If hundreds of election observers sign sworn afadavits attesting to election irregularities and outright fraud that they witnessed, then Liberals who are opposed to voter I.D. laws simply repeat the mantra that there is no evidence.

See the post from Sissy Chrissy nca225 above to see how this liberal propaganda concerning election fraud works. Deny, lie, and deny some more.

But if some conscientious poll worker questions your signature, and you sign an afadavit, then all is good, and the whole system is perfectly safe and secure in your mind.

I'm in complete agreement with Oldmainewoodsman's ideas about who should and should not be using absentee or mail-in ballots, voter I.D., and early voting in particular. There is way too much potential for fraud and abuse. For most of our lives, the first Tuesday in November was perfectly adequate, but all of a sudden, the liberal left is clamoring for voting long before the candidates even finish their debates.

The greatest failure of Trump and Republicans in the nation's entire history may turn out to be securing our election process, and not doing more to investigate and prosecute (and severely punish) all instances of vote fraud.


Here is some reality for you idiot:

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/nine-election-fraud-claims-none-credible/

But oh wait, there was fraud....

https://www.businessinsider.com/voter-election-fraud-pennsylvania-charge-dead-mom-vote-trump-2020-12

Lets execute him! No more a severe punishment than that!

& FMI, aren't you just a little bit disappointed in the Kav? wasn't he supposed to hold a grudge against the democrats and hold up the election fraud claims in the SCOTUS? What happened there?
Posted By: SKB Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 02:36 PM
What a shame the GOP killed the election security bill in the Senate last term, mutiple times.

Mail in voting has been working smoothly for yeard here in Colorado and may it continue to do so for years to come.

You would think that if any merits existed to Trumps claims of election irregularities at least one of the Federal Judges that he appointed would agree with his position and let the case proceed. Nope, nadda, zilch.....not a single Federal judge has ruled in Trump's favor.

Looks like even stacking the deck was not enough to overcome a 7 million vote margin.
Posted By: keith Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 02:43 PM
Isn't it amusing to see all of these Libtards such as BrentD continually accusing our pro-2nd amendment President Donald Trump of perpetual lies... yet they are all silent when the anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats they blindly follow promise to respect the 2nd Amendment, and swear to uphold the Constitution, yet then work relentlessly to infringe upon the 2nd Amendment Rights of law abiding citizens.

These are the gun owners who have no place in any where Big Tent. They have undermined gun rights for decades, and paved the way for anti-gunners to keep chipping away at our gun rights. Even if they claim to not be single-issue voters, you never see them pressuring anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats to reverse their position of continuous infringements upon the 2nd Amendment.

They are complicit, and just as guilty as the anti-gun politicians they support.
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 02:50 PM
Originally Posted By: BrentD

You should be ashamed of yourself.


Don't presuppose they are capable of it Brent.
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 02:51 PM
Originally Posted By: keith
Isn't it amusing to see all of these Libtards such as BrentD continually accusing our pro-2nd amendment President Donald Trump of perpetual lies... yet they are all silent when the anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats they blindly follow promise to respect the 2nd Amendment, and swear to uphold the Constitution, yet then work relentlessly to infringe upon the 2nd Amendment Rights of law abiding citizens.

These are the gun owners who have no place in any where Big Tent. They have undermined gun rights for decades, and paved the way for anti-gunners to keep chipping away at our gun rights. Even if they claim to not be single-issue voters, you never see them pressuring anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats to reverse their position of continuous infringements upon the 2nd Amendment.

They are complicit, and just as guilty as the anti-gun politicians they support.


That is a winner of an argument there princess! So dumb. So obvious.
Posted By: Replacement Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 03:50 PM
Quote:
contsitutional right to bare arms


Seriously? Does this mean the gooberment can't prevent me from wearing short sleeve shirts?

Here's a hint: Spelling and grammar are important, especially when you are trying to make a credible argument. Otherwise, you look like a complete doofus.
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 04:08 PM
And that is the exact type of response I would expect from princess. Thatís some good company you are keeping. But Iíll credit you with the ability to get the point Replacement.
Posted By: Replacement Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 04:16 PM
Didn't get your point because you did a poor job of trying to make it. I disagree with you on just about everything you post. Your misguided generalizations are inflammatory and offensive to those of us who are actually rational about the issues. Some of us can actually recognize and evaluate both sides of an argument. Your ideology only seems to allow you a single perspective.
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 04:36 PM
Well you can't take a compliment can you. Sorry if you get burned by my generalizations, but I don't see you out there going against the grain on the other side. At all. Why is that? Perhaps another generalization would be appropriate? I'll pass but the thing is, the number of people who are actually rational about the issues is far outweighed by those who are not. That's the world you created when you put that POS in the White House.
Posted By: craigd Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 05:05 PM
Originally Posted By: BrentD
....Look at you! You toller at no other view point except your own repressive dogma.

You are so damn wrong you haven't got the first clue of what or who you are talking about. Yet you follow an orange orangutan with a religious cult-like zeal. Believing every word he says, even when he contradicts himself with yet another lie.

You worship a Hollywood celebrity who is nothing more than a spoiled rich brat that has cheated and lied his way through life from the beginning. He is the sort of person you idolize? He is your role model? Your leader? You are the one that is nuts.

If you didn't figure this out before 2016, is certainly has to be clear now as we see what he has done to make CV19 as bad as possible in the USA and how he has deserted his job while continuing to whine and play golf in the last months of his presidency.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Do you have the capability of seeing the country and the world beyond the bubble of academia?

My anecdotal story, I have a daughter who currently has dropped out of a good name, large university to take a promising work position. She can see all her friends and aquaintences around her in school with little direction to head in, and poor preparation from the institution.

My wife and I would support her whatever path she choses, but I am particularly proud of her strengths and independence. She values her education and highlights the beauty of you and your lefty buddies demonizing covid. A kid can get an Ivy league piece of paper....online. She will finish a year later than originally planned, with a secretary processing her online requirements, spared sitting through endless lefty political diatribes.

We didn't try to influenece how she voted, but insisted she did. She actually looked into issues that were important to her, and ironically her lefty peers, and she did good.
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 05:35 PM
University of Phoenix or Trump U?
Posted By: rocky mtn bill Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 05:58 PM
Craig, "demonizing covid"?? Is there somrthing good to be said about it that we're missing? Maybe you mean some of us exaggerate the seriousness. Tell that to the 325,000 who've died of it. Most on this site are in the group m ost vulnerable. Our brilliant new Republican legislature wants to meet in person without masks. All politicians need to stand for something, but why make a stand for stupidity?
Posted By: OldMaineWoodsman Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 06:46 PM
I'm not convinced that the election was free and clear of any monkey business. A congressional district battle that is still ongoing in Upstate New York provided evidence that dead people voted. It clearly went on. Enough to change the results? Most likely not. It's happening in Georgia right now. "Vote early and often" was around long before Trump.

I really believe many voted against Trump rather than for Biden. I also think many Republicans voted for Biden but voted Republican the rest of their ballot. It may explain why Republicans gained many seats in the House, and kept Senate seats that the media and the "experts" told us they would lose.

The good news is, it was a loud rejection of socialism. With the President/VP, I think people voted with emotion rather than logic. But, just like when you buy that new car you really didn't need or want, buyer's remorse will soon set in and you realize there was nothing really wrong with the vehicle you traded in.

Democrat voters? Well, they will vote for a talking dog if it has a D next to their name. As much as they hate the terms "low information voter" and "sheeple" they keep providing evidence and voting patterns to justify those terms.

With luck, the Republicans will win one or both of the run-offs in Georgia. I have my doubts. Truth be told all four of them are unworthy of a Senate seat.

But if the Republicans win one or both, at least they can keep Biden and Harris in check and some of the lunacy at bay. This will give the country plenty of time to see that Biden is not up to the task and why he was rejected in 1988 and 1992. It will also remind everyone why Harris was the first one to drop out of the primaries.

Finally, we have to demand better. We need to stop voting for the "first this or first that" and get back to electing qualified people with real leadership and management skills and experience. Black, white, or striped like a zebra I don't care. As long as they are the best qualified person for the job. Imagine that.

Biden/Harris should be one and done and hopefully new, energetic, and qualified leadership will emerge in 2024.
Posted By: BrentD Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 06:53 PM
Originally Posted By: nca225
Originally Posted By: BrentD

You should be ashamed of yourself.


Don't presuppose they are capable of it Brent.


I don't, but he should be. And others as well.

craigd, I understand the world outside of academia just fine. I go out in it every day. I am happy for your daughter, what's your point?
Posted By: rocky mtn bill Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 08:46 PM
OMW, You sound like an intelligent person, but you spout the right-wing dogma of the committed cultist. Any warm body who can't see through Trump by now has surrendered his brain to the Barnum and Bailey. Since the election was "stolen", I suggest you send all your money to Trump so that he can continue to pretend he was cheated and bilk his followers to fund his defense and pay his debts. From where we are, we can only get better.
Posted By: OldMaineWoodsman Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 09:44 PM
Bill:

I don't know you outside of this board. I am far from right-wing and certainly not a committed cultist. I consider myself a moderate on social issues, and conservative in most others.

Like many, I had hoped that Trump would have entered the Oval Office, saw the scope of what he had gotten into, toned down his "act" and elevated his game into the role. In many ways he did, and in many ways he didn't. I never said the election was stolen. I merely pointed out that some monkey business occurred, but clearly not enough to swing it one way or another. I also believe that yes, it is occurring in Georgia.

Like I said, people voted with emotion over logic. They voted against Trump rather than for Biden. Biden is an equally flawed person. It is not a Republican talking-point to say that he is a career politician with no significant accomplishments over a 47 year period. Sure, he was VP for eight years. But people quickly forgot that he was basically hidden away by Obama. Even the media joked back then "Where's Joe?"

When Obama had the opportunity to kill Osama bin Laden, Biden was the only guy in the room who advised against it. Even Hillary was for it. That speaks volumes about a potential Commander in Chief. Trump for his part kept his promise that he would not engage in unnecessary wars or skirmishes. Even though I'm sure that people like Bolton tried to talk him into one or two.

I also said that we have to demand better of our candidates. We should not be electing people because it is "their turn," the first this or the first that, or the lesser of two evils. We should be choosing and voting for people who are qualified for the job, command and earn respect, our trust, and we are proud of.

I don't have high hopes for Biden. He is flawed, he is weak, not too bright, and if the ties to China are in fact true he is unfit to be President. Be honest, why did the media and the left beat the Russian collusion chase to death yet Biden gets a pass? Harris is far too agenda driven and polarizing. Again, she was the first to drop out in the primaries. If people liked her she would not have polled at 1%.

So, I don't see much hope and love over the next four years. I just see more division, more anger, and more harmful rhetoric from the left. I think the old guard needs to go away and enjoy their millions and we need to seek and find new and energetic leadership. Someone who believes in our country, promotes our greatness rather than flaws, and can truly unite us. In some ways Trump actually did some of that, but because the left and the media could never come to terms with his win in 2016, they did everything in their power to exploit his many flaws and help him fail.

Anyway, just the opinion of a veteran, patriot, and citizen who is concerned over the direction this great country is headed. It's not too late to fix it, but tired retreads are not the answer.
Posted By: rocky mtn bill Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/29/20 11:43 PM
OMW, I appreciate your position. As a conservative you've come to see that your party has abandoned any policy but full speed ahead down a dead end road. I think Trump was so far outside the norm that the Democrats felt a career party faithful with lots of experience was the best way to put an end to chaos. They were right. Getting rid of Trump was the overriding need. Biden may not be inspiring, but he can heal some of the division that Trump creates. If the R's could walk away from Trump now, they might begin to rebuild what he's trashed. I share your concerns if not your affiliation. Give Biden a chance; he is at the very least a decent, steady presence.
Posted By: craigd Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/30/20 12:13 AM
Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
Craig, "demonizing covid"?? Is there somrthing good to be said about it that we're missing? Maybe you mean some of us exaggerate the seriousness. Tell that to the 325,000 who've died of it. Most on this site are in the group m ost vulnerable. Our brilliant new Republican legislature wants to meet in person without masks. All politicians need to stand for something, but why make a stand for stupidity?

Bill, you aren't missing a thing, you rightfully identify me as a stupid idiot for taking the time to repeat things that you are intentionally ignoring.

How many times have I politely mentioned to you that the reported covid deaths, and various hospitalizations and visits stats include influenza and pneumonia like symptoms? I decided to check, the latest CDC stats are for December 19th., compiled on a weekly basis.

Have you read your various Montana counties health department daily updates? Don't they often document in writting, no reported new cases of influenza?

I apologize if you were thinking specifically of the new york elder care death camps that pastor cuomo setup for the true believers. No, good it's appauling. But, we do know that there is no will to separate out lethal comorbidities, only to agenda to jump to covid conclusions, right?

It is sad that attempts to hold china responsible are demonized and that the incoming administration is appointing, non elected, high level officials with ties to them, but if you want me to join you in a common goal to end the spread of an infectious virus, then unwind the spin.

The true deaths and many of the disease symptoms are terrible. Please don't forget that the ocare that you have repeatedly beat the progressive drum for required end of life options to get things over with sooner rather than later. Please don't lecture me about most on this site fitting a group that fits multiple progressive footballs to be kicked around.

Alrighty, have a nice evening.
Posted By: craigd Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/30/20 12:26 AM
Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
....I think Trump was so far outside the norm that the Democrats felt a career party faithful with lots of experience was the best way to put an end to chaos. They were right....

What if they're wrong? You know, where biden-n-company operate out of the public eye. What if democrats weren't wrong, but just dumb for turning on cnn in the evening and thinking gospel is coming over their applephone just because it dings?

You appear unfortunately mentally diminished to fall for simpletons telling you nothing to see here, move along? You know jo has difficulty, not experience, putting a couple of thoughts together. An occasional two minutes of angry jo on tv, and having mystery ideologs make policy is not chaos?

Fall in line and have a nice evening, okay?
Posted By: John Roberts Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/30/20 01:17 AM
Thanks Craig. Well stated and on point. Bill and nca2+2=5 are left wing loons who just regurgitate CNN and WaPo drivel. May they be seriously diminished.
JR
Posted By: Replacement Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/30/20 01:37 AM
Biden is not the problem. Harris is. You'll see.
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/30/20 01:50 AM
ďObama is the head of infidelity, and killing him automatically will make Biden take over the presidency," bin Laden wrote, according to a 2012 Washington Post article. "Biden is totally unprepared for that post, which will lead the U.S. into a crisis."

Osama bin Laden

Evil, but, genius. Far smarter than any American citizens who voted for Biden.

Best,
Ted
Posted By: rocky mtn bill Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/30/20 03:30 AM
Ted, We've just lived through 4 years of totally unprepared. And now you tell us Bin Laden is a guide to our understanding Biden? The genius of your vote will go down in history as a contribution to the decline of our democracy. Look, your guy had a chance; for the most part he flubbed it. Even in losing, he continues to do whatever he can to line his own pockets and further roil the country. Relax, even if Biden fails, he'll be an improvement.
Posted By: John Roberts Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/30/20 04:24 AM
Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
Ted, We've just lived through 4 years of totally unprepared. And now you tell us Bin Laden is a guide to our understanding Biden? The genius of your vote will go down in history as a contribution to the decline of our democracy. Look, your guy had a chance; for the most part he flubbed it. Even in losing, he continues to do whatever he can to line his own pockets and further roil the country. Relax, even if Biden fails, he'll be an improvement.


Drunk yet Bill?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuBppsGN9sQ

JR
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/30/20 04:44 AM
Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
Ted, We've just lived through 4 years of totally unprepared. And now you tell us Bin Laden is a guide to our understanding Biden? The genius of your vote will go down in history as a contribution to the decline of our democracy. Look, your guy had a chance; for the most part he flubbed it. Even in losing, he continues to do whatever he can to line his own pockets and further roil the country. Relax, even if Biden fails, he'll be an improvement.


Line his own pockets? You will need to look to the previous administration for that, bill. I get that you are far too silly to ever ponder how the previous president can afford a $12 million mansion on Marthaís Vineyard on the same salary Trump has donated for the last 4 years.

Facebook is only going to be able to hide the kiddy porn, crack smoking and bag man for the big guy antics on Hunterís laptop for so long, by the way.

Best,
Ted
Posted By: keith Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/30/20 06:17 AM
Originally Posted By: nca225
University of Phoenix or Trump U?



Hahahaha!

Look at this response from you Sissy Chrissy nca225! This is rich, coming from a complete idiot who flunked out of college.

And I just loved that brilliant explanation about the right to "bare" arms versus the right to vote. I notice that every time you are losing the argument, you revert to calling me a Nazi.

I really love these off-topic discussions, because they provide a real service. They tend to prompt the anti-gunners in our midst to expose themselves... even the ones who claim to be "Independent Moderates". You, BrentD, rocky mtn bill, SKB Queen Stevie all obviously support and defend the election of a devout career anti-2nd Amendment idiot who has really accomplished nothing in a 47 year career. He was a joke as Obama's VP who was mostly kept in the dark, because every time he said something in public, he was a total embarrassment.

Here's a nice little compilation of a small fraction of Altzheimer Joe Biden's stupidity. This is rocky mtn bill's idea of "a decent, steady presence" who can heal the country and do a better job than Trump:

https://nypost.com/article/worst-joe-biden-gaffes/

That's not surprising considering that rocky mtn bill may be the only person on this forum who is actually dumber than you. You all can post all of the links you want claiming that the country was better off under Biden/Obama... But we were there. We really do remember how bad it was in so many ways, and how quickly things turned for the better after Trump won.
Posted By: keith Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/30/20 07:23 AM
Originally Posted By: SKB
What a shame the GOP killed the election security bill in the Senate last term, mutiple times.



Queen Stevie, how many times are you going to keep trotting out this same bullshit about the GOP killing the so-called election security bill?

Did you ever actually look at the total crap that comprised that partisan Democrat proposal? It would have done virtually nothing to prevent the sort of irregularities and outright fraud that went on in the 2020 election.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/about-that-election-security-bill-11565554637

We do realize by now that you are not the "Independent Moderate" you claim to be. John Roberts knew that when he recently asked you:

Originally Posted By: John Roberts
Steve, are you a Democrat?


I have already repeatedly pointed out many of the reasons that lawsuits were rejected, that had nothing to do with the fact that there was indeed widespread election fraud. You may be a committed enough closet Democrat to actually believe that a seriously flawed team of Biden/Harris actually shattered the record number of votes cast for any candidate in U.S. history, and that they won by 7 million more votes. You probably even believe the results from all of those predominately black precincts that supposedly cast more votes for Biden than they did for Obama. But none of it passes even the most simple smell test. So hundreds of sworn eyewitness accounts and even screenshots of voter lists of 120 year old Wayne County voters will never stop the Democrat sock-puppet faithful from chanting "There is no fraud, there is no fraud..."

Of course, fools like you, BrentD, rocky mtn bill, and Sissy Chrissy also believe the seriously inflated stats that claim the United States leads the world in Covid19 cases too. I'm sure you all believe that China effectively halted the spread months ago in a massively over-populated country where hygiene is scarce, and social distancing is nearly impossible for the masses. They are still reporting only 87,027 total cases versus 19,977,704 for the U.S.

Of course, even with numbers that have been wildly inflated for political theater, there are numerous other countries that lead the U.S. in Covid19 cases per million. And China still reports only 3 deaths per million, so obviously, we should follow their lead... and likely will under a Biden administration of lies and propaganda.

But Libtards swallow that crap. rocky mtn bill worships it. Did you notice how he ran away from my repeated question about the actual conclusions of the N.Y. Post editorial encouraging Trump to concede? Billy picked out one small snippet from an editorial that celebrated the good things Trump accomplished, and the hope that a Republican Senate majority can thwart Biden from undoing it and screwing up the nation. So it won't do any good for Ted to point out that deaths from flu or pneumonia have dropped to nearly zero in many places where false narratives are more important than facts.

The only good that may come from all of this is that these discussions continue to flush out the gun owners who support and defend anti-gun Democrats. Some are brave enough to admit being that foolish. And some like you still try to hide in the closet with the amusing claim of being an "Independent Moderate"... who just happens to virtually always criticize Republicans and support anti-gun Democrats.

Take my advice... trying to hide behind a rainbow Festivus pole ain't working anymore.

Take some further advice... Just farm out BrentD's Greener to a gunsmith who might actually finish it, if you already haven't, instead of lurking and posting support for anti-gun Democrats here all day every day. Shortshells might be a good choice for you since he is still in hiding.



Posted By: SKB Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/30/20 10:08 AM
You seem upset Billie. Must be you are finally coming to terms with reality. I'm sure that is very hard for you.

I'll be back on that Greener as soon as hunting season winds down. My customers seem to understand my schedule.

I hope you and frAnk had a nice Holiday, was it at your place in your mom's garage or did frAnk have you over to his place? What a lovely couple you two make.

Happy New Year and may your year be filled with more cowbell.
Steve
Posted By: rocky mtn bill Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/30/20 01:30 PM
We seem to have reached our usual stand off. A final note to those who see good in Trump and none in Biden. Joe won't generate the constant friction that Donald does. He may not be able to unify the country, but he'll make the effort.I don't expect he'll change any minds here, but I've always believed that miracles are scarce. Having lived through the Trump term. I'm confident most here will survive Biden. Happy New Year.
Posted By: craigd Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/30/20 01:59 PM
Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
We seem to have reached our usual stand off. A final note to those who see good in Trump and none in Biden. Joe won't generate the constant friction that Donald does. He may not be able to unify the country, but he'll make the effort.I don't expect he'll change any minds here, but I've always believed that miracles are scarce. Having lived through the Trump term. I'm confident most here will survive Biden. Happy New Year.

It is such a luxury to be able to comment based on emotions, not substance. If you claim the win, then stick up for the policy of biden and donít keep up with distractions about President Trump?

Start by explaining how an empty shell of a pure politician, due failing mental faculties, can unite? I know you can see it. Letís say on the subject youíre fond of, world respect. Will he inspire by useful media trying to sell a stutter?
Posted By: OldMaineWoodsman Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/30/20 05:59 PM
One final thought from me on Biden, and then I'll attempt to get the original theme back on track:

I read a lot of follow-up posts here saying give him a chance. He has had a chance for the last 47 years. He is seriously flawed, has questionable honesty, and because we no longer have real journalists and investigative reporters anymore he has been given a pass. Some notables:

His first wife and young child were killed in a motor vehicle accident. This was an unspeakable tragedy. However, he has claimed they were killed by a drunk driver. This has been proven false, the driver was never charged with drunken driving and the driver's own family has sued Biden to stop telling this account. Why embellish such a tragic event?

He claims to be from a family of coal miners. A check of his family turned up one great-uncle, I think. Hardly a family. Now if I said I was from a family of postal workers, I could claim my father, grand-father, one brother, and numerous uncles and cousins.

And, he basically used the coal miner legacy and plagiarized the life story/speech of the British Labour leader. If I remember right, this knocked him out of the 1988 Presidential campaign.

He claims to have graduated from Syracuse University with multiple degrees and honors. In fact, he graduated at the lower end of his class with one degree.

I'm sure there are more. Any one of these would have killed the campaign of any Republican. This is what I mean when I write that we should demand better. It's good to be a Democrat that is for sure.

The left and the media is destroying the wife of Alec Baldwin because she lied about her faux Spanish birth and heritage. Yet, Biden's lies, embellishments, and fabrications are just fine to be President of the United States.

My wife and I are leaning heavily towards relocating to Highland County, Virginia. We like the fact that it is the least populated county in Virginia, and there is a strong hunting community. Lots of deer, bear, and grouse. Does not appear to have a high growth of new homes and communities, so we shall see.
Posted By: BrentD Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/30/20 08:56 PM
OldMaine, as with your earlier posts, it astounds me that you have all of these concerns about Biden, yet you voted for Trump. How do you rationalize these contraditions?

You voted for the biggest liar of all time, nevermind one that ascended to the presidency - due to some amazing selective blindness on your part apparently.
Posted By: craigd Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/30/20 09:26 PM
Originally Posted By: BrentD
....as with your earlier posts, it astounds me that you have all of these concerns about Biden, yet you voted for Trump. How do you rationalize these contraditions?

You voted for the biggest liar of all time, nevermind one that ascended to the presidency - due to some amazing selective blindness on your part apparently.

Because he was being cordial?

Jill shows amazing support for the absent minded jo, but what was she, the baby sitter having a fling with the up and coming politician at the time of the fatal wreck?

Beau was the good son, right? How long did it take for his widow to start shacking up w/hunter. Trumps children try to portrait family values, hunter uses the excuse of an illegal drug fueled binge for cheating on his brother's widow, and ending up with another jo grandchild with a stripper.

So what, but when beau's widow finally got fed up with hunter, she went to jo begging for help with hunter having inappropriate contact with his fourteen year old niece, and the prez elect brushed it off, right?

You don't even have to try, you will rationalize nearly anything. And, I couldn't possibly have a point? You live and breath academia.
Posted By: BrentD Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/30/20 09:29 PM
Nice stories craigd. As with most of your posts, you don't make a hill of beans worth of sense. But again, compare to the Orange Orangutan that you worship.
Posted By: ChiefAmungum Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/30/20 11:45 PM
Lloyd, AHEM, Lloyd! if you're still here, one word. Motorhome!

Chief
Posted By: John Roberts Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/30/20 11:53 PM
Originally Posted By: BrentD
Nice stories craigd. As with most of your posts, you don't make a hill of beans worth of sense. But again, compare to the Orange Orangutan that you worship.


That "Orange Orangutan" you hate so was elected President twice. He received millions of votes from people with much more sense and smarts than you could ever hope to have. You keep talking about "lies" he's made without one single example. This country is stronger than it's ever been, yet you still hate him and what we've achieved under his presidency because of blind allegiance to a political party and their dogma. Go sell crazy somewhere else. We're all full up here.
JR
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 12:22 AM
Originally Posted By: John Roberts
Originally Posted By: BrentD
Nice stories craigd. As with most of your posts, you don't make a hill of beans worth of sense. But again, compare to the Orange Orangutan that you worship.


That "Orange Orangutan" you hate so was elected President twice. He received millions of votes from people with much more sense and smarts than you could ever hope to have. You keep talking about "lies" he's made without one single example. This country is stronger than it's ever been, yet you still hate him and what we've achieved under his presidency because of blind allegiance to a political party and their dogma. Go sell crazy somewhere else. We're all full up here.
JR


The only people he made the county better for are white nationalists and nazi's. He gave them cover to exist. Hence your appreciation for him.
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 12:25 AM
Originally Posted By: BrentD
OldMaine, as with your earlier posts, it astounds me that you have all of these concerns about Biden, yet you voted for Trump. How do you rationalize these contraditions?

You voted for the biggest liar of all time, nevermind one that ascended to the presidency - due to some amazing selective blindness on your part apparently.


He's better understood if you realize all his window dressing about being a moderate is BS. He's just as batsh!t crazy as the rest and not above throwing his oaths under the bus for political expediency.
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 02:21 AM
Originally Posted By: nca225
Originally Posted By: BrentD
OldMaine, as with your earlier posts, it astounds me that you have all of these concerns about Biden, yet you voted for Trump. How do you rationalize these contraditions?

You voted for the biggest liar of all time, nevermind one that ascended to the presidency - due to some amazing selective blindness on your part apparently.


He's better understood if you realize all his window dressing about being a moderate is BS. He's just as batsh!t crazy as the rest and not above throwing his oaths under the bus for political expediency.


Per usual, attack the individual, because you have no facts that stand.

Go ahead and refute ANYTHING he said about dementia joe.

Best,
Ted
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 03:10 AM
Once again stupid a$$ ted rears his head.

It's not what he believes about Biden. It's what he willfully ignores about drumpf.

You are still as dumb as they come ted, so next time I'll explain it to you as I would to a severely retarded child.

But you still won't get it.
Posted By: BrentD Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 03:19 AM
Originally Posted By: John Roberts
Originally Posted By: BrentD
Nice stories craigd. As with most of your posts, you don't make a hill of beans worth of sense. But again, compare to the Orange Orangutan that you worship.


That "Orange Orangutan" you hate so was elected President twice. He received millions of votes from people with much more sense and smarts than you could ever hope to have. You keep talking about "lies" he's made without one single example. This country is stronger than it's ever been, yet you still hate him and what we've achieved under his presidency because of blind allegiance to a political party and their dogma. Go sell crazy somewhere else. We're all full up here.
JR


You have trouble counting. He was elected once. And still lost the popular vote, of course, but a win is a win, and just A win. He will never win a second time.
Posted By: pamtnman Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 03:43 AM
Central Pennsylvania is where I grew up, where my dad's family has been since the early 1700s, and where I moved back to in 1998 after a hallucinatory stint as a Washington, DC bureaucrat. We love it here, though I am spending more and more time at our hunting camp in northcentral PA, which is especially rural and undeveloped, with lots of public land by East Coast standards. Most of the state is pretty rural, blue collar, and traditional. E.g. many of my hunting buddies are registered Democrats, while I am well to the right of the Republican Party establishment, and we all get along just fine. Central PA has a very high quality of life (for people who like rural life) and a very low cost of living. All kinds of other considerations abound for people over sixty, I guess, of which I am not yet one. But it is for now still a very gun-friendly state, despite unceasing attempts by the Left to turn PA into a NJ, MD, or NY. We do not have the small game numbers/ opportunities that big western states have, and we do have a boat load of hunters, though this also seems to be changing as the Boomers' knees age. Although I always dreamed of living in rural Alaska or Maine, the truth is I am very happy here.
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 05:19 AM
Originally Posted By: nca225
Once again stupid a$$ ted rears his head.

It's not what he believes about Biden. It's what he willfully ignores about drumpf.

You are still as dumb as they come ted, so next time I'll explain it to you as I would to a severely retarded child.

But you still won't get it.



True to form.
I rest my case.

Best,
Ted
Posted By: keith Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 06:50 AM
Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein
Originally Posted By: nca225
Once again stupid a$$ ted rears his head.

It's not what he believes about Biden. It's what he willfully ignores about drumpf.

You are still as dumb as they come ted, so next time I'll explain it to you as I would to a severely retarded child.

But you still won't get it.



True to form.
I rest my case.

Best,
Ted


Our silly brainless Libtards are so funny! They question us about willfully ignoring things about Trump, yet they all are afraid to answer Ted's challenge to refute the many faults and failures of Altzheimer Joe Biden that we and Oldmainewoodsman mentioned.

They are cowards too. When I pointed out, several times, that the gist of the N.Y. Post article cited by rocky mtn bill was the idea that Trump should concede only to help insure a Republican Senate majority to thwart Biden and maintain as much of Trump's many accomplishments as possible, neither rocky mtn bill, nor any of the other fools was able to even acknowledge that fact. None of them have been able to name even one great thing that Biden has done in 47 years. None of them will ever be able to explain how a demented, corrupt, and bungling anti-gunner with zero accomplishments and a history of racist and moronic outbursts was able to get more votes than any politician who ever ran for President.

Nor will any of them even acknowledge Altzheimer Joe Biden's 47 year history as one of the most extreme anti-gunners in Washington. Gun owners voting for someone with a 100% anti-2nd Amendment voting record such as Altzheimer Joe Biden has is about as stupid as you can get.

Of course, Queen Stevie SKB has claimed many times that he/she voted for Trump. Yet he/she spent much of the last four years and the 2016 election cycle criticizing Trump and Republicans. Queen Stevie is now obviously celebrating the results of a fraudulent victory by Altzheimer Joe Biden.

Did anyone here notice that all of those times that Queen Stevie SKB claimed that he/she voted for Trump, none of his/her Libtard friends here ever once said he/she was dumb, or blind, or willfully ignoring all of the things they hate about Trump? None of them ever criticized Queen Stevie for saying he/she voted for Trump.

There is a good reason for that. All of our dishonest and hypocritical Libtards here knew damn well that Queen Stevie SKB is one of them... a true rainbow warrior who dances around the Festivus pole! They knew in their hearts that someone who spent so much time criticizing and damning Trump and Republicans, while virtually ignoring all of the many faults and failures of anti-gun Liberal Democrats, really did not vote for Trump or support Trump. Just look at the contempt that BrentD has for Trump. It took four years for it to bubble to the surface and finally pour out. Do you really think that BrentD would willfully send his busted Greener to be restocked by a Trump supporter???

This is what I always find very amusing about the Libtards and closet Liberals here. They not only lie to us... They even lie to themselves.

People with that mindset are never going to care if their candidate wins an election by fraud and cheating.

Here is Biden's plan for Gun Control from his campaign website:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=58UPGtxRJM4

BrentD talks about ordering shotgun ammunition online, and is too stupid to know that Biden wants to ban online ammunition sales. All of the other things are in addition to Biden's past comments on biometric triggers. Does your double barrel shotgun have a biometric trigger?



Posted By: craigd Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 06:56 AM
Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein
Originally Posted By: nca225
...next time I'll explain it to you as I would to a severely retarded child....


True to form.
I rest my case.

Best,
Ted

Hang on Ted, he already speaks libtard. If he comes up with something new he learned in school, it could be better than a box of crayons for his self esteem.
Posted By: OldMaineWoodsman Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 10:43 AM
It really is stunning how intolerant people on the left are. They claim belief and support of the Constitution, yet attack anyone who has an opposing view. Most cannot get a point across, offer evidence, or even debate a subject without insults, name calling, and spouting their own tired talking points. Personally, I thought I was pretty respectful in my posts, not once generating an insult or calling another poster names. It's a major problem that we have in our country. We have lost the ability to have a conversation and civil disagreement on issues, forgetting that we are all Americans.

Blogs, forums, and other forms of social media tend to bring the worst out in people. They get emboldened and write things that they would never say to person's face.

My moderate social views are not BS. They are my views, nothing more. As a Republican, I disagree with abortion. I believe in adoption. However, I support a women's right to choose. You cannot say that you believe in individual liberty and freedom, and then tell a women that she cannot end a pregnancy. The left will get on their box and yell "Her body, her choice." I agree. But then they push all of their intrusive laws and mandates on us.

I believe that marriage is between a man and a women. But as I have gotten older, I tolerate gay marriage. I don't agree with it, but the belief that people have a right to be happy overrides my personal view. I just wish they would not force it on us in a way to make us accept it. A good example are television sit-coms. They want you to believe that every family in America has a gay child or sibling. It simply isn't true, but again I exercise my right to just change the channel and watch something else.

As a Republican, my conservative views and beliefs support a strong military, a strong, robust capitalist economy, border security, merit-based lawful immigration, a strong support of law enforcement, and the right to keep and bear arms. I also believe that the First Amendment provides us with freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. Therefore, it is not too difficult to figure out how I vote.

As to my oath, unless you served yourself you are really in no position to question it. I always feel uncomfortable when someone says "Thank you for your service." I did it voluntarily, enlisting after graduation from high school. There was no draft, I was spared the horrors of combat, I learned a good trade, saw the world and was lucky enough to find a civilian career similar to my rate. I simply stood the watch during a relatively peaceful period. I served because I chose to. Thank you to our country for allowing me that opportunity.

Some of my views have evolved over time. Some due to age, some due to experiences, choice, and some due to simply being wrong. The problem with the left is that they are so intolerant, hateful, and indoctrinated by like-minded people they see no reason to change. We have a tough task ahead of us.

Like I wrote earlier. It is not too late to save the country. But we are not going to do it with career politicians who for decades have been part of the problem and are only interested in self-enrichment and business as usual. It will be difficult, but not impossible.

Ride this out and hopefully new leadership will emerge in 2024.
Posted By: SKB Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 11:53 AM
Sounds like frAnk and billie had a gay old time this year at billie's place in his mom's garage.

Here is a thought for you to ponder, just because you vote for someone does not mean you have to approve of the way they govern. I like many others had hoped Trump would display a different temperament once elected. I do not approve of the hyper partisan politics currently in play and hope to see less divisiveness in the future.

I still think you and frAnk make a lovely couple though.
Posted By: BrentD Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 01:57 PM
Originally Posted By: OldMaineWoodsman
It really is stunning how intolerant people on the left are. They claim belief and support of the Constitution, yet attack anyone who has an opposing view.


And here we have the pot calling the kettle black.

Good grief but you cannot hear yourself.
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 02:17 PM
Originally Posted By: OldMaineWoodsman
It really is stunning how intolerant people on the left are. They claim belief and support of the Constitution, yet attack anyone who has an opposing view. Most cannot get a point across, offer evidence, or even debate a subject without insults, name calling, and spouting their own tired talking points.


Do you think, just possibly, that the animus you get is because when presented with facts, your side pops up "alternative" ones?

For instance, when presented with the fact that the inauguration in 2017 was poorly attended, your side comes out with the alternative fact that it was the most highly attended inauguration in history. A demonstrable lie, that your side defended.

This is just one of a legion of "alternative" facts from the drumpf era.

Alternative facts do not generate civil debate and nor should they. It is a disservice to truth and reality to even give alternative facts air time.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman...sh=78dd2c5b5b51

And by voting for drumpf that is something you support, thereby making you part of the problem.

Hopefully you can understand now, by thoughtful consideration that this is just the start of a cascading event leading to the denigration that America is experiencing.

This is just one of many faults of supporting drumpf, but at least now you have an idea of why all the contempt.

If you want to be treated nicely, abandon your support for this entirely.
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 02:37 PM
Originally Posted By: OldMaineWoodsman
It really is stunning how intolerant people on the left are. They claim belief and support of the Constitution, yet attack anyone who has an opposing view. Most cannot get a point across, offer evidence, or even debate a subject without insults, name calling, and spouting their own tired talking points.


Also, you might want to realize as well, that the people of a free and democratic society tend to look poorly upon those in their ranks that would discard those principles and seek to install a tyrant over the will of the people.

That is what your side is doing as well.

Again, if you want to be treated nicely, abandon your support for this entirely.
Posted By: keith Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 02:39 PM
Queen Stevie, I see you are still attempting to impose your queer lifestyle onto me and jOe. It isn't working, and you didn't help your attempts to go back into your gay closet with your recent admission that you celebrate the gay secular Festivus holiday.

As far as your lame attempt to cover up your disdain for Trump, and your support for anti-gunners like Altzheimer Joe Biden, that is amusing too. You never had anything good to say about Trump during the entire campaign in 2016. You never once had anything good to say about Trump during his entire four years in office. But you criticized him plenty of times. You also posted plenty of critical remarks concerning Republicans and Conservatives who were not named Trump.

We saw you crying that Trump was about to raise the legal age to purchase a firearm (which he never did), yet we never once saw you voice any concern about the extreme anti-gun measures that Obama and Biden attempted to pass in 2013. Obama considers his failure to pass sweeping new anti-gun legislation his greatest failure. And not a single complaint from you about the Obama/Biden attempt to infringe upon the gun rights of millions of law abiding U.S. citizens!

That divisiveness caused Democrats to get hammered in the 2014 mid-term election. Now you claim you simply hoped Trump would act differently once elected, and that you now hope to see less divisiveness in the future.

So tell us all how you expect things to be less divisive by supporting and voting for an extreme anti-gunner like Biden??? You saw plenty of hyper partisan politics when Biden was Obama's vice-president, and his anti-gun czar. You saw a one-trick pony pass a failed ObamaCare plan that left 38 million people uninsured. And like a dictator, forced millions to buy a product they either did not want or could not afford. And it passed without any Republican support and not a single Republican vote. Hard to get more "hyper partisan" than that.

You like YouTube videos Queen Stevie... did you watch the video I provided the link to with all of Biden's anti-gun plans from his campaign website? We all know how you posted links to false data from the anti-gunner Philip Alpers and GunPolicy.org to support your false claim that there is No Gun Registration in New Zealand. So how will you lie to us to counter Altzheimer Joe Biden's divisive and extreme anti-gun plans and proposals?

There is nothing Trump ever did to warrant supporting an extreme anti-gunner like Joe Biden. There is no rational excuse for any gun owner with a brain to support someone who has a 47 year career of being 100% anti-2nd Amendment. The other Libtards here all know damn well that you never supported Trump, and you are one of them. John Roberts also knew when he recently asked you this:


Originally Posted By: John Roberts
Steve, Are you a Democrat?

JR


This might be a good time to bring up a QUOTE from a late and well respected DoubleGunShop member:

Originally Posted By: 2-piper
It seems to me that the vast majority of those who complain about Keith & Joe are those whom they have told the truth about. I recall a statement from an old Doris Day movie, don't recall for certain which one, " There are things which Hurt Worse than the Truth, we just haven't figured out what they are yet".
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 02:44 PM
Originally Posted By: keith

This might be a good time to bring up a QUOTE from a late and well respected DoubleGunShop member:

Originally Posted By: 2-piper
It seems to me that the vast majority of those who complain about Keith & Joe are those whom they have told the truth about. I recall a statement from an old Doris Day movie, don't recall for certain which one, " There are things which Hurt Worse than the Truth, we just haven't figured out what they are yet".


Wasn't this the guy who believed slavery was justified in the bible? What an appropriate role model for you.
Posted By: SKB Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 02:47 PM
After you spilled your deep felt feelings for frAnk it is hard to imagine you two as anything other than a deeply comited homosexual couple. Like OMW, over time my opposition to the aleternative lifestyle you have chosen to live has lessened. Really, I think you two are a perfect match.

Originally Posted By: keith
You aren't one-tenth the man that jOe is
Posted By: keith Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 02:58 PM
No Sissy Chrissy nca225 , Miller never claimed that slavery was justified in the Bible. He merely posted the 100% true fact that there is nothing in the Bible that prohibited slavery. Miller also posted a photo of himself standing in his church next to his very black cousin. He was in no way, shape, or form a racist.

You had many opportunities to prove that he said what you claim, but you never did. You continue to lie and twist and pervert the truth, because you are too stupid and too weak, and unable to support your ignorance by telling the truth.

I see that you are still unable to refute anything Oldmainewoodsman or Ted posted about Biden's many failures and his corrupt and racist past. If Miller or anyone else here said some of the racist things that Biden has said, you would be here every day crying like the baby you are.

But you are a brainless Democrat sock-puppet, so you will say and do anything to support someone who is virtually guaranteed to break the Oath of Office to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution. He has made a promise to disarm law abiding U.S. citizens. Biden has spent his entire life trying to take guns from law abiding citizens. Yet you call Trump treasonous. What an idiot.

EDIT: In the same style of dishonesty you Libtards all use, Queen Stevie has once again trotted out a Quote attempting to impose his gay lifestyle onto me and jOe. Queen Stevie still will never post my entire statement where he pulled that from. I was clearly making the point that jOe had much more integrity than one of Queen Stevie's pals... the same one who tried to bail ot Queen Stevie by hiding the fact that the secular holiday Festivus has been taken over by queers who oppose Nativity displays, and plant rainbow poles in public places to celebrate the gay lifestyle.
Posted By: SKB Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 03:07 PM
Originally Posted By: keith


will never post my entire statement where he pulled that from.


Were you expecting to be treated different than you treat others Princess billie?

Get used to it, maybe see if you can find your big girl panties.
Posted By: HomelessjOe Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 03:08 PM
Originally Posted By: SKB
After you spilled your deep felt feelings for frAnk it is hard to imagine you two as anything other than a deeply comited homosexual couple. Like OMW, over time my opposition to the aleternative lifestyle you have chosen to live has lessened. Really, I think you two are a perfect match.

Originally Posted By: keith
You aren't one-tenth the man that jOe is


Look Stefeny you screwed in the head mAn hOe...leave me out of your perverted comments.

Again SKB the gunfArmer and his girlfriend Brentd the Socialist turd prO'fessor from Iowa along with nCa the idiot Communist and Rocky Mountain Bill the guy with hawg nutts for brains has taken another thread down the tubes.

Just my observation.
Posted By: SKB Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 03:11 PM
Originally Posted By: HomelessjOe
Originally Posted By: SKB
After you spilled your deep felt feelings for frAnk it is hard to imagine you two as anything other than a deeply comited homosexual couple. Like OMW, over time my opposition to the aleternative lifestyle you have chosen to live has lessened. Really, I think you two are a perfect match.

Originally Posted By: keith
You aren't one-tenth the man that jOe is


Look you screwed in the head mAn hOe...leave me out of your perverted comments.

Again SKB the gunfArmer Brentd the Socialist turd from Iowa , nCa the idiot Communist and Rocky Mountain Bill the guy with hawg nutts for brains has taken another thread down the tubes.

Just my observation.


And just like that, billie's better half shows up to defend her honor, and people say chivelry is dead.
Posted By: keith Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 03:16 PM
Originally Posted By: SKB
Originally Posted By: keith


will never post my entire statement where he pulled that from.


Were you expecting to be treated different than you treat others Princess billie?

Get used to it, maybe see if you can find your big girl panties.


Show us where I ever used a partial statement to attempt to totally change the meaning of what someone here has said Queen Stevie. I've challenged you to do that simple task in the past, but like your sick little Libtard pal Sissy Chrissy, you refuse to do it.

That would involve telling the truth, and if you ever did that, a lot more folks here would realize why you spend so much time here supporting Liberal Left Socialist anti-gunners like Joe Biden, and attacking pro-2nd Amendment guys like Donald Trump.
Posted By: Drew Hause Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 03:16 PM
Miller's words speak clearly; including "Who said Slavery was Sinful?" starting here on p. 5
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=551062&page=5

2021 is almost here and we're still arguing about slavery? IMHO much of the dysfunction in this Nation is a direct consequence of that great sin. Maybe it's time to be honest, confess, repent, and deal with it?
(To be clear reparations, white hatred, and BLM are most certainly not the answers, nor is using racial, economic and class resentment as a manipulation tool for "social justice".)
Posted By: HomelessjOe Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 03:18 PM
Hay girl fiend...

SKB I had not posted in this thread or even read it until you called me into it a few posts up.

Trust me sweety I'm not your type....that's one thing me and them Muslims can agree on.
Posted By: SKB Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 03:18 PM
Look up your own selective quotes regarding gun registration in NZ as a prime example but many more exist.

You still can not find those big girl panties it seems.
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 03:18 PM
Originally Posted By: SKB
Originally Posted By: HomelessjOe
Originally Posted By: SKB
After you spilled your deep felt feelings for frAnk it is hard to imagine you two as anything other than a deeply comited homosexual couple. Like OMW, over time my opposition to the aleternative lifestyle you have chosen to live has lessened. Really, I think you two are a perfect match.

Originally Posted By: keith
You aren't one-tenth the man that jOe is


Look you screwed in the head mAn hOe...leave me out of your perverted comments.

Again SKB the gunfArmer Brentd the Socialist turd from Iowa , nCa the idiot Communist and Rocky Mountain Bill the guy with hawg nutts for brains has taken another thread down the tubes.

Just my observation.


And just like that, billie's better half shows up to defend her honor, and people say chivelry is dead.


It's so sweet to watch isn't it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwBirf4BWew
Posted By: SKB Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 03:19 PM
Originally Posted By: HomelessjOe
Hay girl...

I had not posted in this thread or even read it until you called me into it.

Trust me sweety I'm not your type....that's one thing me and Muslims agree on.


I would never try to damage the committed relationship you and billie share. You should klnow that by now frAnk.
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 03:23 PM
Originally Posted By: Drew Hause
Miller's words speak clearly; including "Who said Slavery was Sinful?" starting here on p. 5
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=551062&page=5

2021 is almost here and we're still arguing about slavery? IMHO much of the dysfunction in this Nation is a direct consequence of that great sin. Maybe it's time to be honest, confess, repent, and deal with it?
(To be clear reparations, white hatred, and BLM are most certainly not the answers, nor is using racial, economic and class resentment as a manipulation tool for "social justice".)


Well said Drew.
Posted By: HomelessjOe Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 03:24 PM
Stefhen...I love it when the hAir stands on your neck.
Posted By: SKB Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 03:25 PM
Originally Posted By: HomelessjOe
Stefhen...I love it when the hAir stands on your neck.


Careful, you how possesive billie can be of you.
Posted By: HomelessjOe Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 03:27 PM
You run with a ruff crowd Stephen...
Posted By: SKB Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 03:29 PM
Originally Posted By: HomelessjOe
You run with a ruff crowd Stephen...



It is not my place to judge you and billie. You two really are a perfect match.
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 03:34 PM
Originally Posted By: keith
In the same style of dishonesty you Libtards all use, Queen Stevie has once again trotted out a Quote attempting to impose his gay lifestyle onto me and jOe. Queen Stevie still will never post my entire statement where he pulled that from.


You looking for full quotes princess? Please, allow me to oblige. Here is one that I'm sure you remember:


Originally Posted By: keith

I've told you all before that my Dad and uncles and cousins all used pumps and autoloaders, and my first shotgun was an extremely tightly choked Savage hammerless single shot model 220 20 gauge. My uncle had one N.R. Davis double that hung on the wall above his reloading bench, and he explained that he never used it because it was too heavy, and three different gunsmiths weren't able to cure its' habit of doubling.

But there was an old German gunsmith who had a shop and gun store a short two mile bike ride from my Dad's house, and I spent a lot of time there looking at his guns, mostly stuff that seemed remotely affordable in the used gun rack. He was an ex-Armorer in the Nazi army in WWII, and I often heard him extolling the virtues of certain guns to customers in his thick German accent. One day, after he saw me looking at a German double that he had tried to sell to a customer, he came over and exclaimed in broken English, "These guns... all junk! You want see nice guns? I show you nice guns!" He took me into his shop and I soon saw that this three story building was literally crammed with thousands of guns.

The ones he really wanted to show me were guns like you'd find in the NRA Museum... extremely ornate doubles, cape guns, drillings, and vierlings... stuff like I'd never seen. He had these museum pieces stacked like so much cordwood. He explained that part of his job as an Armorer in the Nazi army was to scrap weapons confiscated by the German Army when they rolled through European towns and villages. They posted notices that any civilians who didn't surrender their weapons would be executed if caught. He said he was to remove the wood stocks and burn them, and to crush the actions or receivers in a press so they couldn't be recaptured and used against the Germans. The scrap guns were shipped to steel mills to be melted down to produce new war materials. He told me, "Oh, I scrap a lot of very nice guns... but really nice ones, I stashed and after the war, I come to United States and my brother smuggle them here to me." It boggles the mind to think he was able to smuggle so many guns into the U.S. back then when people here stress out about importing one or two guns today. And he had to have some real guts and cunning to conceal this booty from his officers in the Nazi army.

Now, these pieces weren't anything like Dad's Model 870 or my Savage. These were works of the gunmaker's art with gorgeous highly figured wood, ornate full coverage engraving, gold and ivory inlays, intricate carving, etc. Guns like that leave a lasting impression on a kid, or a grown man. And my eyes were opened to see that all doubles weren't heavy bulky implements like that N.R. Davis with the doubling problem. And that is where my addiction began. Raise a kid on black guns and pumps, and that is the road they will likely travel. Show them quality, and history, and real craftsmanship, and they just might take a different path.



What I found galling, but not unsurprising, was keithís attempt to downplay the issue by claiming he was 14 at the time, and to young to understand the tragic nature of the inventory. I called BS, and BS it was.

Hereís keithís post # 4#9##5

Originally Posted By: keith
Jim, the old German gunsmith who lived a couple miles from my Dad once showed me some vierlings and drillings that were engraved and inlaid like this. I used to frequent his gun shop and was looking at the used gun rack one day, and he came over and said in broken English, "These guns... all junk! You want see some nice guns, I show you nice guns." He took me into his house which was attached to the shop, and it was stuffed with guns of all kinds. Many were extremely ornate, heavily engraved, and inlaid with gold, silver, and ivory.

He explained to me that he was trained as an armorer for the German Army during WWII, and that part of his his job was to destroy guns that the Nazi's confiscated from towns and villages they conquered during the Blitzkrieg. They would issue a decree to the residents that they had 24 hours to turn in their guns, and if they were caught with guns after that, they were executed.

He told me he was supposed to remove the stocks from the guns, burn the wood, and put the breech section of the barreled action in a press, and crush it so it could not be recaptured and reused. The scrap was sent to steel mills to be converted to new steel for Nazi weapons. He said, "Oh, I crush a lot of very nice guns, but really nice ones, I keep and stash when I can. Then after the war, I come to United States, and my brother smuggle them over here to me." I have no idea how they accomplished this, but he didn't just have a lot of guns. He literally had tonnage. Not all of it was as nice as your photo, but I saw stuff that rivaled anything I saw in the NRA Museum, Harold's Club Casino gun collection in Reno, or anything else I've seen.

The last time I saw these guns was in 1991 during the first Gulf War. I went to his new house he built after he retired to see if he had some Mauser parts I needed. His wife remembered me and invited me in because he wasn't feeling well. The new house was also stuffed with guns... thousands of them, in every room. Many were getting that dry rust patina that comes from neglect. It would have taken a year just to clean them all. He and his wife were cheering for Saddam Hussein as CNN reported that Iraq was firing Scud missiles into Israel. They called them "Stud Missiles" in their broken English, and saying they hoped Saddam killed all of the Jews. Once a Nazi, always a Nazi, I guess.


Catís out of the bag now. In 1991 olíkeith, much, much older than 14 at the time and still well aware of the nature of the inventory, is right there in his buddyís home no less, not place of business, doing business with this guy again for some gun parts while he and his wife are cheering the deaths of Jews in Israel at the hands of Saddam Hussein. FWIW, seems like they were longtime friends if the wife let him in to see her ill husband.

I like guns as much as the next guy around here but Iíll be damned if I ever do business with a known Jew hating nazi war criminal selling stolen Jewish/European treasures.

Guess what folks, its kind of obvious that when keith says once a nazi, always a nazi he ainít talking about his buddy. Keith is a closeted white supremacist as shown by his frequent posts proffering a low opinion of minorities, or President Obama, and apparently, by his own admission, not above doing business with a guy who supported the state sanctioned killing of 6 million ethnic minorities in Europe, while the same guy was still cheering on the same policy albeit by a different regime.
Posted By: keith Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 03:35 PM
I posted exactly what you stated about gun registration in New Zealand Queen Stevie. You clearly and repeatedly stated that there is no gun registration in New Zealand. Then you frantically attempted to cover up your lies about gun registration in New Zealand by later stating that a very small percentage of guns are registered there. When I posted the QUOTE from you stating that guns are not registered in New Zealand, I used your exact words.

You also posted a link that contained false data from the well known anti-gunner Philip Alpers and GunPolicy.org to support that falsehood. But even that link refuted your initial claim, which you later repeated, staing that guns are not registered in New Zealand. Some of that exchange is still here, and some was unfortunately deleted by Dave. Go back and show us where I changed your words or their meaning. You cannot. You are like Sissy Chrissy and the Preacher, still trying to dishonestly change what Miller said about slavery.

I went on to prove you wrong by showing that all handguns must be registered, and a permit was required for all military style semi-automatics. Actually, every gun owner is registered or licensed, so the New Zealand government knew exactly where to look when they imposed firearm bans and confiscation after the Christchurch shooting.
Posted By: rocky mtn bill Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 03:39 PM
Drew, Allowing that slavery is a national sin, how does automatically ruling out reparations make sense? Social and economic justice are not yet achieved. Your attitude toward BLM speaks of a lack of information. If you truly care abour these issues, you need to expand your sources of information. That can be hard for evangelicals because they tend to hold a narrow view of reality, but as a physician you can't help bur see that conservatives have refused to face the reality of the current plegue.
Posted By: SKB Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 03:44 PM
You continue to lie and misrepresent what actually happened. This is the behavior that earned you your nick name here "Lying Keith". Same old same old. This is why you have no credibility, because you lie.
Posted By: HomelessjOe Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 03:47 PM
Bill anybody ever tell you you're a fool.
Posted By: keith Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 03:47 PM
And there's Sissy Chrissy once again telling lies about my visits to the shop of an old German gunsmith who had served in the German Army during WWII.

Once again, I challenge Sissy Chrissy nca225 to show us exactly where I ever claimed that I did not understand the nature of guns that were not inventory, but a personal collection that this guy stole from the Nazi's.

I clearly stated that I went to his home much later, in 1991, so there was no attempt by me to say I was only a 14 year old kid who did not understand where these guns came from. I clearly stated where they came from. The Nazi's confiscated them from the citizens of towns they conquered. Gene, the gunsmith was supposed to crush them, but he stole them from the Nazi's and his brother somehow shipped them to the U.S. after Gene emigrated here after the war. In all the times I visited that gun shop, the owner never attempted to sell any of those guns, and I never attempted to buy any.

This is Sissy Chrissy nca225's chance to prove that I am lying, and that I bought German guns from a Nazi, or that I am a Nazi.

Watch how Sissy Chrissy reacts to this challenge... again. You will learn why Liberals cannot be trusted, and that they even lie to themselves.
Posted By: HomelessjOe Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 03:49 PM
Like and times of a gunfarming gunsmith...

Play on the interenet all day while real gunsmiths do the work for me.

Life of SKB...
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 03:51 PM
Originally Posted By: keith
And there's Sissy Chrissy once again telling lies about my visits to the shop of an old German gunsmith who had served in the German Army during WWII.

Once again, I challenge Sissy Chrissy nca225 to show us exactly where I ever claimed that I did not understand the nature of guns that were not inventory, but a personal collection that this guy stole from the Nazi's.

I clearly stated that I went to his home much later, in 1991, so there was no attempt by me to say I was only a 14 year old kid who did not understand where these guns came from. I clearly stated where they came from. The Nazi's confiscated them from the citizens of towns they conquered. Gene, the gunsmith was supposed to crush them, but he stole them from the Nazi's and his brother somehow shipped them to the U.S. after Gene emigrated here after the war. In all the times I visited that gun shop, the owner never attempted to sell any of those guns, and I never attempted to buy any.

This is Sissy Chrissy nca225's chance to prove that I am lying, and that I bought German guns from a Nazi, or that I am a Nazi.

Watch how Sissy Chrissy reacts to this challenge... again. You will learn why Liberals cannot be trusted, and that they even lie to themselves.

It is your acts that speak for you. Therefore we don't need your words. That is your answer.

Your emotions betray you BTW. It is clear to all that catching you in this has upset you.

GOOD.
Posted By: HomelessjOe Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 03:53 PM
Hey bud judging from your posts you are alot closer to being a Nazi Fascists than anyone here.
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 03:56 PM
What a good catcher you make.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwBirf4BWew
Posted By: keith Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 03:56 PM
Originally Posted By: SKB
You continue to lie and misrepresent what actually happened. This is the behavior that earned you your nick name here "Lying Keith". Same old same old. This is why you have no credibility, because you lie.


You and your pal Bob Cash gave me the nickname "Lying Keith" Only you two used it, because you had the pathetic need to try to tar me with your own behavior. You have had plenty of time to show us that I lied or twisted what you said about gun registration in New Zealand, or the fact that you used data from a well known anti-gunner to support your false statement. You failed.

On the other hand, I have already shown you and everyone here that I was speaking about jOe's integrity in the QUOTE you posted. As you recall, I was referring to your two-faced Canadian pal who had emailed me asking me to slow rust blue some shotgun barrels for him, while he was using the IGNORE function to IGNORE my posts here.

EDIT: I still laugh when I think that he disliked me, yet asked me to rust blue his barrels... instead of you... one of his best pals on this forum. Maybe he knew I could do a better job. And maybe he didn't wish to wait years for you to finish them, or have you just farm them out.
Posted By: craigd Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 04:01 PM
Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
Drew, Allowing that slavery is a national sin, how does automatically ruling out reparations make sense? Social and economic justice are not yet achieved. Your attitude toward BLM speaks of a lack of information. If you truly care abour these issues, you need to expand your sources of information. That can be hard for evangelicals because they tend to hold a narrow view of reality, but as a physician you can't help bur see that conservatives have refused to face the reality of the current plegue.

You seem to be a foul and intollerant jo fan boy? Nothing of what you say makes a lick of sense, because it has the exact same value as you give others the courtesy of their points of view.
Posted By: SKB Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 04:02 PM
Originally Posted By: keith
Originally Posted By: SKB
You continue to lie and misrepresent what actually happened. This is the behavior that earned you your nick name here "Lying Keith". Same old same old. This is why you have no credibility, because you lie.


You and your pal Bob Cash gave me the nickname "Lying Keith" Only you two used it, because you had the pathetic need to try to tar me with your own behavior. You have had plenty of time to show us that I lied or twisted what you said about gun registration in New Zealand, or the fact that you used data from a well known anti-gunner to support your false statement. You failed.

On the other hand, I have already shown you and everyone here that I was speaking about jOe's integrity in the QUOTE you posted. As you recall, I was referring to your two-faced Canadian pal who had emailed me asking me to slow rust blue some shotgun barrels for him, while he was using the IGNORE function to IGNORE my posts here.


No, it is your behavior that left you in a position of zero credability. Maybe a story for schhol children would help you understand, have you ever heard of "The boy who cried wolf"? After you find your big girl panties you might want to read it.

Your above statement contains several lies, just as we have come to expect from you William.
Posted By: SKB Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 04:03 PM
Originally Posted By: craigd
Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
Drew, Allowing that slavery is a national sin, how does automatically ruling out reparations make sense? Social and economic justice are not yet achieved. Your attitude toward BLM speaks of a lack of information. If you truly care abour these issues, you need to expand your sources of information. That can be hard for evangelicals because they tend to hold a narrow view of reality, but as a physician you can't help bur see that conservatives have refused to face the reality of the current plegue.

You seem to be a foul and intollerant jo fan boy? Nothing of what you say makes a lick of sense, because it has the exact same value as you give others the courtesy of their points of view.


Well if the board has an expert on being a fan boy that would certainly be you Craigd. Always there for your BFF.
Posted By: HomelessjOe Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 04:05 PM
Originally Posted By: HomelessjOe
Like and times of a gunfarming gunsmith...

Play on the interenet all day while real gunsmiths do the work for me.

Life of SKB...


No comment girl fiend ?
Posted By: SKB Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 04:08 PM
Originally Posted By: HomelessjOe
Originally Posted By: HomelessjOe
Like and times of a gunfarming gunsmith...

Play on the interenet all day while real gunsmiths do the work for me.

Life of SKB...


No comment girl fiend ?


The only girlfriends here are you and billie.

Here is my comment, I work to live not live to work:



Posted By: keith Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 04:10 PM
Originally Posted By: nca225

It is your acts that speak for you. Therefore we don't need your words. That is your answer.

Your emotions betray you BTW. It is clear to all that catching you in this has upset you.

GOOD.


And here is how Sissy Chrissy reacted to a very simple challenge to prove a false contention. Just as I expected... nothing.

Of couse, I got the same lack of proof from Queen Stevie, and also expected that. Anyone see a pattern here?

Sissy Chrissy thinks I am upset by his/her failure. I think it is wonderful to see how our Libtards react when they are challenged to prove their lies. I love letting them show how gutless and pathetic they are.

The only shame is that they also use these sidebar diversions and lies to deflect away from the fact that Sissy Chrissy, SKB Queen Stevie, BrentD, and rocky mtn bill all are here to criticize Trump, and to show support and respect for the anti-gunner Altzheimer Joe Biden.

This is the mental disorder known as Liberalism. This also gets us back full circle to the original intent of this thread, and this Liberalism is the mentality that Lloyd and many other people wish to move away from. Sadly, moving away from this cancer only permits it to grow. It must be confronted and shown to be a fraud. When gun owners and gunsmiths defend anti-gunners like Joe Biden, they are not your friend, and they are not helping to insure that your kids and your grandkids will have the same freedoms that you did.
Posted By: rocky mtn bill Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 04:40 PM
Criticizing Trump is a moral obligation for anyone with a functioning conscience. The best thing to be said of him is that he is incompetent. From there, it's all downhill. His response to the election is a national tragedy and a national travisty. Nothing he claimed could be admitted to a court with judges he appointedor to be accepted by Republican state officials. And yet the cult swallows it whole. What a sorry-assed spectacle.
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 04:51 PM
Originally Posted By: keith
Originally Posted By: nca225

It is your acts that speak for you. Therefore we don't need your words. That is your answer.

Your emotions betray you BTW. It is clear to all that catching you in this has upset you.

GOOD.


And here is how Sissy Chrissy reacted to a very simple challenge to prove a false contention. Just as I expected... nothing.



So you don't think that a person should be judged by their acts and deeds huh? Kinda goes against every single attack you have ever made here.

Shows that not only are you a liar but a hypocrite as well.

What a sad animal you make.
Posted By: keith Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 04:54 PM
Wrong again Billy. I've already explained to you several times the reasons that lawsuits challenging the election fraud were rejected. It was acknowledged that there was indeed fraud, but rejected on the grounds that some judges felt it would not change the outcome. Other judges ruled that the plaintiffs, such as Texas, did not have legal standing to challenge fraud in states like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, or Michigan. Another judge ruled that Trump's legal team should have filed suit before the fraud occurred... which is about like arresting someone before they commit the crime. And still other judges opined that mail-in ballots that were cast in violation of their state election laws would not be rejected. Recounts that counted the same fraudulent ballots were not going to change the outcome. And only dishonest Liberals really believe that Biden shattered the record for votes by a presidential candidate, or that Wayne County (Detroit) Michigan has dozens of registered 120 year old voters who all supported Biden.

That is the National travesty and the real sorry-assed spectacle. But you keep returning to twist the facts. And you still are afraid to admit that the N.Y. Post editorial encouraging Trump to concede, which you referenced earlier, was all about doing all we can to maintain a Republican Senate majority... to preserve all of the good things Trump accomplished.

Your own source said that Biden needed to be thwarted, or he would cause harm to the country. And it didn't even mention what Biden's intentions are to infringe upon the gun rights of law abiding citizens. I still wonder why you come to this forum to spew your pro-Biden/anti-Trump crap, and are afraid to do so in the Classic Rifle forum???

You are a fraud and a fool and a coward Billy. I guess that makes you typical of the Libtards we have here.
Posted By: ed good Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 05:10 PM
well, wurst uv awl, once trump leaves gubmint, the entertainment value of the political circus will drop to zilch...

an i do hope sleepy joe finds ah job fur tulsi, say sec of h&h, in order to give her ah chance to shine, sos she can run for vp in 2024, wid...


Ivanker...

hows dat fur ah winning combo?

Happy New Year, to awl...
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 05:11 PM
Oh the phantom fraud, the phantom fraud! Please princess show us the evidence!!

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In case you don't get it, this is me ROTFLMAO at you.
Posted By: rocky mtn bill Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 05:13 PM
Keith: Two points: 1) the Post is not my source; it's yours. It told the truth for once. 2) Yes, there was voter fraud. For instance Kansas Republican representative Steve Watkins, who now faces three felony charges. Enjoy.
Posted By: OldMaineWoodsman Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 05:27 PM
On a much happier note, the Woodcock are in. I have really enjoyed my rights under the Second Amendment to chase them, hit some, and miss more these past couple of mornings.

Like President Reagan once said - "If you take all of our problems and multiply them by three, we still have it better than anyone else."

That will be one drawback to relocating. Finding new places to hunt. But then again, it's also fun to find them and thank God we can. I just realized that I registered here on New Years Eve 2001.

Happy New Year all.
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 05:28 PM
Wow, it seems that Steve was a bad, bad, bad boy, but not the only one either...

https://www.businessinsider.com/voter-election-fraud-pennsylvania-charge-dead-mom-vote-trump-2020-12
Posted By: keith Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 05:31 PM
Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
Stan, Anyone who continues to support Trump is among the great fools of all time. Read the New York Post piece today. When Rupert Merdock has had it with Trump, it's a pretty good sign anyone still in that camp is as big a chump as ever lived.


Billy, You are lying again. You did reference the Post as a source. Here is your entire unedited post where you referenced the N.Y. Post editorial that encouraged Trump to concede. It also stated that the reason is to help maintain a Republican Senate majority... something you are still afraid to admit. They know that Biden/Harris is int good for the country. Is that what you meant when you said it told the truth for once???

This is where you also showed us what an astute political analyst you are... when you couldn't even spell Rupert Murdoch's name correctly.

Also, I have admitted many times that there has been vote fraud committed by both parties over the years. But there are many more documented accounts of Democrat vote fraud than Republican. You are just unable to admit that. Everyone knows how Democrat John F. Kennedy won in 1960. But at least JFK wasn't a Liberal Left anti-gunner like Altzheimer Joe Biden.

Sissy Chrissy wants evidence of election fraud in the November 2020 election. I'd be happy to oblige, other than the screen shot of thew Wayne County, Michigan board of elections PC that was posted here shortly after the election showing all of those Democrats registered that were born in 1900. The Libtards here managed to get Dave to delete that. And you never did tell us why you Libtards really oppose voter I.D. laws.

However, first I want to see evidence that Putin and the Russians changed the outcome of the 2016 election. Those of you who now vehemently deny election fraud couldn't stop crying about it four years ago.

You and Sissy Chrissy have proclaimed there was no fraud, yet you are both seeking out instances of Republican vote fraud. I wonder why you two aren't looking at all of the hundreds of sworn affidavits and evidence of Democrat election fraud, and all of the mail-in ballots that were counted without signature or registration verification, or were simply cast after the legal deadline??? I think we all know.


I am all in favor of photo voter I.D. laws, voting with a 100% paper trail and no electronic machines connected to the internet, No motor voting that permits illegals to register when they get drivers licenses they shouldn't have in the first place, no ballot harvesting, and no early voting... due to the obvious potential for abuse.

In addition, I think we should have to pay a small fee, say $25 to $50 every election for a background check to certify that we a legally eligible to vote. This would not be a violation of the Constitution any more than a NICS Check and FFL transfer we all pay for to purchase a gun. Anyone, regardless of Party affiliation, who violates the election laws and commits fraud, should go to prison for a long time. I have no doubt you disagree with about all of those things, because they would prevent the cheating that elected Biden.
Posted By: rocky mtn bill Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 05:50 PM
A true sign of mental illness is repeating oneself incessantly among a forum where no one ever changes his mind. It's also indicative of paranoia, sort of like whistling in the dark. Keith, you and the other host of incels here need to make a choice: resign yourselves to a life of misery in alternative reality, or open your eyes and see beyond your tiny horizons.
Posted By: keith Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 05:57 PM
I do not expect to change your mind Billy. You are a dishonest Libtard gun owner who is stupid enough to support someone who has promised to violate his oath of office, and infringe upon the Constitutional gun rights of law abiding citizens.

I hope my idea for every voter being required to pay $25 to $50 for a background check before voting catches on. Do you think George Soros has enough money to front all of you?

EDIT: GREAT POST BELOW TED. Thanks for the link, so Billy and the other Libtards can all pretend they never saw it
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 05:58 PM
Originally Posted By: rocky mtn bill
A true sign of mental illness is repeating oneself incessantly among a forum where no one ever changes his mind. It's also indicative of paranoia, sort of like whistling in the dark. Keith, you and the other host of incels here need to make a choice: resign yourselves to a life of misery in alternative reality, or open your eyes and see beyond your tiny horizons.


You mean, like when you keep repeating there is no evidence of fraud? That kind of repeating?

https://politicalarena.org/2020/12/30/fa...ot-fraud-video/

Here, we have the guy who invented QR code, hacking into Georgiaís Dominion voting system, during a hearing into election fraud, in real time. By law, the machine is not supposed to be accessible via either, the internet, or WiFi.

He got in through both. During the hearing. Astonishing. Democrats call him a liar, not even aware of his contributions that make the cell phones and other technology work.

No evidence, right bill? You being too silly to find it is different then it not existing.

Best,
Ted
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 06:05 PM
Originally Posted By: keith

Sissy Chrissy wants evidence of election fraud in the November 2020 election. I'd be happy to oblige, other than the screen shot of thew Wayne County, Michigan board of elections PC that was posted here shortly after the election showing all of those Democrats registered that were born in 1900. The Libtards here managed to get Dave to delete that. And you never did tell us why you Libtards really oppose voter I.D. laws.

However, first I want to see evidence that Putin and the Russians changed the outcome of the 2016 election. Those of you who now vehemently deny election fraud couldn't stop crying about it four years ago.



About Wayne County...

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/m...nty/6195468002/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fact...gan/6201900002/

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020...d00b1b45192876a

Now, onto why the opposition to voter ID laws. The answer to that is because the fundamental right to vote should not depend on how prepared one is to exercise it. That just disenfranchises the voter. If you want to prevent fraud, root it out when it occurs not by putting obstacles to the act of voting.

Laslty, please reproduce where I ever said that the Russians/Putin "changed" the outcome. Thats not possible to prove and you know it. What I have been saying, and what you are intentional and misleadingly spinning, is that the russians aided the drumpf campaign, the drumpf campaign accepted its help and then concealed that from the american people. Big difference.

So be a big princess now and show us where I ever said the Russians actually changed the outcome. With the post# as well to ensure accuracy.
Posted By: rocky mtn bill Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 06:14 PM
Your point?? That hacking is possible was widely known and discussed before the election. That it occurred in Georgia and changed the outcome has never even been remotely considered by anyone not caught up in Trump's alternative universe. Pull your head out.
Posted By: keith Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 06:19 PM
Sissy Chrissy, I know it is no longer possible to prove that you claimed the Russians/Putin "changed" the outcome of the 2016 election. You know damn well that post was deleted. It was in one of the Threads that Dave deleted entirely that you posted in the Silent Doubles forum, where I repeatedly asked you to show us your proof. And if you have evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians to change the election, then why didn't you give it to Mueller??? I also asked you that. You have nothing.

Voter I.D. laws do nothing to disenfranchise anyone. Your answer to that is ridiculous. In your scenario, 30 million illegal aliens could vote without question, and convicted felons could vote too... which is another thing Democrats want. In fact Voter I.D requirements are no more unconstitutional than my idea to charge voters a small fee of say $25 to $50 every election to do a background check to insure legal eligibility, just as we are required to to to exercise our 2nd Amendment Rights.

But we are still waiting for you to prove what you claimed about me and the German Gunsmith. You obviously saved evidence and QUOTES Sissy Chrissy. You repeatedly say I knowingly bought guns that the Nazi's took from dead Jews. Show us the proof. It gets a bit tiresome so often going back and proving what you Libtards actually said, but when I ask for proof, you all run away or try to change the subject.

Do not ever ask me to show proof of anything until you do that.
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 06:25 PM
Georgia law is that the machines are not to be connected to the internet or, WiFi.

Just because you donít care that the law was broken doesnít mean the results shouldnít be looked into. THAT is what you seem to have a problem with, even looking.

Pull your own head out.

Best,
Ted
Posted By: Geo. Newbern Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 06:33 PM
Libs have won before, and the world did not end. Outsider Trump won last go around and we somehow muddled through, even though the libs were crying the whole four years.

I'm a Georgian and a Trump republican, but I predict the two dem senate candidates will win here. Only hope is America's love for divided government. Truth is we don't trust either side...Geo
Posted By: ClapperZapper Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 06:50 PM
George,I agree with you.
As I recall, the last time the executive branch held both houses of Congress they were as impotent in enacting meaningful legislation as any before or after. And that is because there are many representatives and senators that are barely holding their offices, and any bold acts leave them at odds with the people that barely elected them.

I just read this morning that all media outlets have 100% sold out their spots for the upcoming run offs. I think it is a good time to turn off the TV and radio in Georgia at least for a little while. I truly do pity the people of Georgia having to endure this. What a mess.
Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 06:53 PM

We don't need pity .............what we need is honest elections and poll workers.

SRH
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 06:54 PM
Originally Posted By: keith
Sissy Chrissy, I know it is no longer possible to prove that you claimed the Russians/Putin "changed" the outcome of the 2016 election. You know damn well that post was deleted. It was in one of the Threads that Dave deleted entirely that you posted in the Silent Doubles forum, where I repeatedly asked you to show us your proof. And if you have evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians to change the election, then why didn't you give it to Mueller??? I also asked you that. You have nothing.

Voter I.D. laws do nothing to disenfranchise anyone. In fact, they are no more unconstitutional than my idea to charge voters a small fee of say $25 to $50 every election to do a background check to insure legal eligibility, just as we are required to to to exercise our 2nd Amendment Rights.

But we are still waiting for you to prove what you claimed about me and the German Gunsmith. You obviously saved evidence and QUOTES Sissy Chrissy. You repeatedly say I knowingly bought guns that the Nazi's took from dead Jews. Show us the proof. It gets a bit tiresome so often going back and proving what you Libtards actually said, but when I ask for proof, you all run away or try to change the subject.

Do not ever ask me to show proof of anything until you do that.


Actually I never accused you of directly buying guns stolen from murdered jews. My words are right there in my post# 588656. More lies from you princess. I did point out how you knowingly and intentionally did business with Gene the nazi all those years knowing what he was and then even while he was cheering on the death of jews, that still gave you no pause from doing business with him. Probably because you share the same sympathies. Show us where I am wrong on this.

Also are you suggesting that I got Dave to delete all those memorial threads of Republicans who died by their own ignorance? I think you know me better than that.

Oh, BTW, you should look up what a poll tax is. Your idea of the making people pay for a background check to vote is unconstitutional on its face. That you would even suggest that it is constitutional at all reveals your vast stupidity.

Being stupid, false, ignorant and hypocritical is no way to go through life princess.
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 06:57 PM
Originally Posted By: Stan

We don't need pity .............what we need is honest elections and poll workers.

SRH


According to your Governor and Secretary of State... you already do.
Posted By: OldMaineWoodsman Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 07:07 PM
I think the democrats will win at least one of those run-off seats. It's hard to say. You'd think they would reject this Warnock clown. With all that is being exposed about him he should be disqualified from holding any elected office.

Even if they win both, all is not lost. There are enough sane democrats besides Joe Manchin who will not vote for some of their more extreme plans. Chuck Schumer is not as respected as he thinks.

I also feel America has had about enough of the faux queen Pelosi. They will lose control of the House in two years.
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 07:08 PM
Originally Posted By: Geo. Newbern
Truth is we don't trust either side...Geo


Amen to that Geo.

In case you are wondering here is why my side doesn't trust you:

Do you think, just possibly, that the distrust you get is because when presented with facts, your side pops up "alternative" ones?

For instance, when presented with the fact that the inauguration in 2017 was poorly attended, your side comes out with the alternative fact that it was the most highly attended inauguration in history. A demonstrable lie, that your side defended.

This is just one of a legion of "alternative" facts from the drumpf era.

Arguing Alternative facts do not generate gererate an environment of trust nor should they. It is a disservice to truth and reality to even give alternative facts air time.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman...sh=78dd2c5b5b51

And by voting for drumpf that is something you support, thereby making you part of the problem.

Also, you might want to realize as well, that the people of a free and democratic society tend to look poorly upon and distrust those in their ranks that would discard those principles and seek to install a tyrant over the will of the people.

That is what your side is doing as well.

And for instance why would we ever trust your side with what you did with Meritt Garland and the McConnell Rule and then forgot about it when it came to filling RBGs seat.

This sh!t is not going to be forgotten.

Hopefully you can understand now, by thoughtful consideration that this is just the start of a cascading event leading to the denigration that America is experiencing.

This is just one of many faults of supporting drumpf, but at least now you have an idea of why all the contempt and distrust.

So if you want to be trusted, abandon your support for this entirely.
Posted By: ed good Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 07:19 PM
well, if ruthie can have ah seat in perpetuity, den why not udders...like say roger b. taney?
Posted By: OldMaineWoodsman Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 07:21 PM
If the tables had been turned, and Chuck Schumer was the Senate majority leader he would have held hearings and a vote to fill that seat with a liberal judge. Election or no election.

Anybody who doesn't believe that is incredibly naive.

People in a free and democratic society tend to look poorly upon and should prosecute those in their ranks who get duped by Communist Chinese spies or do business with an adversary for financial gain. But according to Joe, they are a competitor not an adversary right?
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 07:31 PM
Originally Posted By: OldMaineWoodsman
If the tables had been turned, and Chuck Schumer was the Senate majority leader he would have held hearings and a vote to fill that seat with a liberal judge. Election or no election.


And if that were the case that would have been the will of the people right?. As they say, elections have consequences. We're stuck with the ones we got already.
Posted By: keith Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 08:08 PM
Originally Posted By: nca225


Actually I never accused you of directly buying guns stolen from murdered jews. My words are right there in my post# 588656. More lies from you princess. I did point out how you knowingly and intentionally did business with Gene the nazi all those years knowing what he was and then even while he was cheering on the death of jews, that still gave you no pause from doing business with him. Probably because you share the same sympathies. Show us where I am wrong on this.

Also are you suggesting that I got Dave to delete all those memorial threads of Republicans who died by their own ignorance? I think you know me better than that.

Oh, BTW, you should look up what a poll tax is. Your idea of the making people pay for a background check to vote is unconstitutional on its face. That you would even suggest that it is constitutional at all reveals your vast stupidity.

Being stupid, false, ignorant and hypocritical is no way to go through life princess.


No Sissy Chrissy, you are lying again, You repeatedly accused me of doing business with Gene when I supposedly knew that some of the guns he smuggled out of Germany had belonged to Jews. That one post here is just a small fraction of the many times that you Bob Cash and other lying Libtards have attempted to call me a Nazi or tar me as a Nazi sympathizer. I repeatedly informed you that the reason I went to his house in 1991 was to try to buy a bolt stop for a Siamese Mauser action that I was converting to .47-70. And I told you I didn't buy anything. He wasn't feeling well enough to go look for one. But that never stopped you from trying many more time to say I am a Nazi, etc. Yet here you are, once again falsely claiming that I did business with him.

But again, it is the nature of Libtards to tell outright lies in order to make a point. And no, I never suggested that it was you who asked Dave to delete the crap you posted in the Silent Doubles forum. I know you were proud of being dishonest about your assertions that Trump and Republicans encouraged people to not wear masks, or told them to drink bleach, or any of the other lies you repeated. You also seem awfully concerned about the number of people who attended the 2016 Inauguration. I do not recall anyone here ever even mentioning it before today. I do know there were several Threads celebrating the fact that Trump won in 2016, including one started by Dave Weber. I don't think Dave or the majority here will be celebrating having a demented anti-gunner who won due to election fraud.

I don't believe that my idea for a fee based background check on voters every election is a poll tax, any more than an FFL transfer and NICS Check is a 2nd Amendment tax. It is simply what Liberal Democrats consider a reasonable check on crime. They think it is so reasonable that they say we should have to do that fee based transfer and background check even if we wish to give a gun to our children... which you and Queen Stevie will never have to worry about, because you will never have children.

And we are certainly thankful that you have removed yourselves from the gene pool.

Since election fraud and voting while ineligible is a federal crime, my idea is just common sense. Election fraud is not a victimless crime. Millions will suffer if Biden/Harris get their way. Taxes will increase again, health care costs will skyrocket again, jobs will go overseas, Corporations will move operations abroad again, ISIS and radical Islam will come back, our gun rights will be threatened, and Iran will have a much easier time getting nuclear weapons... just to name a few recent Democrat failures. Background checks for voters is something that needs to be done to secure our elections. Anything less is a disservice to actual eligible citizens whose votes are nullified by illegals and dead people voting, etc.
Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 08:15 PM
Originally Posted By: nca225
Originally Posted By: Stan

We don't need pity .............what we need is honest elections and poll workers.

SRH


According to your Governor and Secretary of State... you already do.


I believe them every bit as much as I believe you.

SRH
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 09:50 PM
Originally Posted By: Stan
Originally Posted By: nca225
Originally Posted By: Stan

We don't need pity .............what we need is honest elections and poll workers.

SRH


According to your Governor and Secretary of State... you already do.


I believe them every bit as much as I believe you.

SRH


Oh, they must be liberal Dems then.
Posted By: canvasback Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 09:56 PM
Originally Posted By: nca225
Originally Posted By: keith
Sissy Chrissy, I know it is no longer possible to prove that you claimed the Russians/Putin "changed" the outcome of the 2016 election. You know damn well that post was deleted. It was in one of the Threads that Dave deleted entirely that you posted in the Silent Doubles forum, where I repeatedly asked you to show us your proof. And if you have evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians to change the election, then why didn't you give it to Mueller??? I also asked you that. You have nothing.

Voter I.D. laws do nothing to disenfranchise anyone. In fact, they are no more unconstitutional than my idea to charge voters a small fee of say $25 to $50 every election to do a background check to insure legal eligibility, just as we are required to to to exercise our 2nd Amendment Rights.

But we are still waiting for you to prove what you claimed about me and the German Gunsmith. You obviously saved evidence and QUOTES Sissy Chrissy. You repeatedly say I knowingly bought guns that the Nazi's took from dead Jews. Show us the proof. It gets a bit tiresome so often going back and proving what you Libtards actually said, but when I ask for proof, you all run away or try to change the subject.

Do not ever ask me to show proof of anything until you do that.


Actually I never accused you of directly buying guns stolen from murdered jews. My words are right there in my post# 588656. More lies from you princess. I did point out how you knowingly and intentionally did business with Gene the nazi all those years knowing what he was and then even while he was cheering on the death of jews, that still gave you no pause from doing business with him. Probably because you share the same sympathies. Show us where I am wrong on this.




Don't really know why I'm defending Keith but this Nazi stuff is just stupid. You know that all Americans "did business" with Nazis after the war. You know that one of the most important figures of the US space race was Wernher von Braun, one of the main guys who developed the V2 rocket for Hitler. You know that he and 1400 or so of his Nazi companions in rocket development were secretly brought over the US after the war to jump start the US missile and rocket programs. And that's just one small area of business and tech. It sure wasn't the only one.

This thread has been rather amusing. Everyone with the exception of OMW, in their silos, ears plugged with their fingers but yelling at the top of their voices. The only difference between the Left and the Right is the Right have facts on their side while the Left uses cancel culture to hide their inconvenient truths.

But the best part is none of you are convincing anyone of anything. That's not how on-line stuff works. You'd sway more people to your points of view if you spent $1000 on FB ads. LOL
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 10:22 PM
Originally Posted By: keith

No Sissy Chrissy, you are lying again, You repeatedly accused me of doing business with Gene when I supposedly knew that some of the guns he smuggled out of Germany had belonged to Jews.


Well now we have some honesty from you. This is exactly what I am accusing you of. Doing business a known Nazi because you yourself are a nazi and sympathize with him. I never stated that you bought guns off of him like you accused me of in post# 588661

Originally Posted By: keith

This is Sissy Chrissy nca225's chance to prove that I am lying, and that I bought German guns from a Nazi, or that I am a Nazi.
So first you spread the lie that I said you bought guns of Gene. Now when I caught you in that lie, you backpeddle get flustered and admit the truth. Your dancing sucks more then a person with two left feet.


Originally Posted By: keith

That one post here is just a small fraction of the many times that you Bob Cash and other lying Libtards have attempted to call me a Nazi or tar me as a Nazi sympathizer. I repeatedly informed you that the reason I went to his house in 1991 was to try to buy a bolt stop for a Siamese Mauser action that I was converting to .47-70. And I told you I didn't buy anything. He wasn't feeling well enough to go look for one. But that never stopped you from trying many more time to say I am a Nazi, etc. Yet here you are, once again falsely claiming that I did business with him.


What do you think this proves? So you didnít do business with Gene the Nazi that specific day because he wasnít feeling to well. So it was his personal health that put an end to your transaction and not your conscience raising red flags from proceeding further while Gene the nazi is cheering on the death of Jews from falling SCUD missiles. Well, your conscience didn't kick in because you don't have one as a nazi sympathizer.

Do you even realize the shortcomings and character flaws you are implicitly admitting to? Do you even think about what you write? Clearly not when Iíve got you agitated with the truth. You prove my point each and every time you try to defend yourself princess.


Originally Posted By: keith

I don't believe that my idea for a fee based background check on voters every election is a poll tax, any more than an FFL transfer and NICS Check is a 2nd Amendment tax.


Doesnít matter you think, even if you were capable of thinking. Law is pretty clear that what you are proposing is a poll tax and thatís dead on arrival. But then again its not surprising that nazi keith wants to take a page from Jim Crowís notebook!


Iíve asked you before, please keep this up. Allowing me endless opportunities to point this stuff out is very entertaining to me. That, in combination with watching you cry yourself sleep every night over the phantom fraud, kind of makes this pandemic bearable.
Posted By: ClapperZapper Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 10:23 PM
My only contribution to this thread was in agreement with George.
I don't care about the other stuff.
I would extend pity to any person of any party that had to endure months of continuous political advertisement.

Now I understand the disease has spread to all of the neighboring states as well.
So I extend pity to them too.
We treat mongrel dogs on the way to the euthanizing booth better.I

If I were to have given any advice to the original poster, I would clearly have said, "Consider blooming where you are planted".
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 10:25 PM
Originally Posted By: canvasback
Originally Posted By: nca225
Originally Posted By: keith
Sissy Chrissy, I know it is no longer possible to prove that you claimed the Russians/Putin "changed" the outcome of the 2016 election. You know damn well that post was deleted. It was in one of the Threads that Dave deleted entirely that you posted in the Silent Doubles forum, where I repeatedly asked you to show us your proof. And if you have evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians to change the election, then why didn't you give it to Mueller??? I also asked you that. You have nothing.

Voter I.D. laws do nothing to disenfranchise anyone. In fact, they are no more unconstitutional than my idea to charge voters a small fee of say $25 to $50 every election to do a background check to insure legal eligibility, just as we are required to to to exercise our 2nd Amendment Rights.

But we are still waiting for you to prove what you claimed about me and the German Gunsmith. You obviously saved evidence and QUOTES Sissy Chrissy. You repeatedly say I knowingly bought guns that the Nazi's took from dead Jews. Show us the proof. It gets a bit tiresome so often going back and proving what you Libtards actually said, but when I ask for proof, you all run away or try to change the subject.

Do not ever ask me to show proof of anything until you do that.


Actually I never accused you of directly buying guns stolen from murdered jews. My words are right there in my post# 588656. More lies from you princess. I did point out how you knowingly and intentionally did business with Gene the nazi all those years knowing what he was and then even while he was cheering on the death of jews, that still gave you no pause from doing business with him. Probably because you share the same sympathies. Show us where I am wrong on this.




Don't really know why I'm defending Keith but this Nazi stuff is just stupid. You know that all Americans "did business" with Nazis after the war. You know that one of the most important figures of the US space race was Wernher von Braun, one of the main guys who developed the V2 rocket for Hitler. You know that he and 1400 or so of his Nazi companions in rocket development were secretly brought over the US after the war to jump start the US missile and rocket programs. And that's just one small area of business and tech. It sure wasn't the only one.

This thread has been rather amusing. Everyone with the exception of OMW, in their silos, ears plugged with their fingers but yelling at the top of their voices. The only difference between the Left and the Right is the Right have facts on their side while the Left uses cancel culture to hide their inconvenient truths.

But the best part is none of you are convincing anyone of anything. That's not how on-line stuff works. You'd sway more people to your points of view if you spent $1000 on FB ads. LOL


I don't know why you are defending him either. Taking advantage of the knowledge of German scientists for our national interest is about the farthest thing from keith going to Nazi Gene's shop to do business with him while he is cheering on the death of Jews.

Why can't you see that CB?
Posted By: Geo. Newbern Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 11:16 PM
Originally Posted By: Geo. Newbern
Libs have won before, and the world did not end. Outsider Trump won last go around and we somehow muddled through, even though the libs were crying the whole four years.

I'm a Georgian and a Trump republican, but I predict the two dem senate candidates will win here. Only hope is America's love for divided government. Truth is we don't trust either side...Geo


The above is the only post I've made in this unfortunate thread. I'm trying mightily to figure out what lie my post contained. The senate prediction is a guess, not a lie.

The part about libs crying for four years of the Trump Presidency was certainly true. All that crying has obviously led to the insanity of some...Geo
Posted By: SKB Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 12/31/20 11:56 PM
Lots of crying and a failure to own up to a loss on both sides Geo. 2008 for the GOP , 2016 for the Dems and then the current embarrassment. Plenty of whining to go around.
Posted By: keith Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 01/01/21 04:04 AM
Originally Posted By: SKB
Lots of crying and a failure to own up to a loss on both sides Geo. 2008 for the GOP , 2016 for the Dems and then the current embarrassment. Plenty of whining to go around.


Nope, there really hasn't been any crying or failure to own up to a loss here. But there has been a lot of pointing out how you and the other Libtards here see no evil when it comes to the widespread election fraud that caused Trump to lose.

I am quite happy that Trump has not just rolled over and accepted the fraud and cheating. I was just as happy when he fought back and confronted an obviously lying Fake News Media that was really nothing but an arm of the Democrat Party that was in 24/7/365 attack Trump mode for the last four years. I always hated it when other Presidents simply remained silent, and let them get away with it. I do not think it is Presidential to be a pussy who tolerates lies.

rocky mtn bill and Sissy Chrissy have been especially vocal in denial of any election fraud, yet they are both able to to seek and find fraud done by Republicans. Billy thinks it is terrible that Trump has refused to concede that he lost fair and square, yet we never heard a word from him when Al Gore contested the results of the 2008 election.

And it is most amusing to me Queen Stevie, how desperate you are to duck and hide from all of your criticism of Trump and the Republicans, and how you repeatedly accused Trump of being poised to turn on gun owners. Yet you are totally unable to find fault with the extremely anti-2nd Amendment Liberal Democrats. You accuse Trump of creating a hyper partisan atmosphere, yet you conveniently forget the hyper partisan Mueller probe and sham Impeachment Circus.

All of you are idiots for supporting an anti-gunner like Joe Biden. No need to repeat all of his many faults and failures as a career politician with a well deserved reputation as a corrupt buiffoon and plaigiarising liar. Altzheimer Joe doesn't even try to hide much of his anti-gun agenda, and there is no question of his anti-gun stance after 47 years of attacking gun rights of law abiding citizens. But none of you Liberal democrats and closet Liberal Democrats ever try to change them, or seek out Democrats who might respect our gun rights.

I am fully aware that I keep repeating that. It is intentional that I keep repeating that. I repeat it because you Libtards have gotten away with undermining us far too long. You Libtards are stabbing gun owners in the backs by supporting anti-gunners like Joe Biden. I want gun owners to see that you all are not our friends, and that you help to pave the way for more anti-gun laws, more gun bans, more ways to prevent citizens from buying, owning, and shooting guns, and you are responsible for making gun ownership and ammunition much more expensive.

I know none of you like me pointing that out. That is why it is so important for you all to try to tar me as a Nazi and other false and ridiculous things. All you have left is dishonesty to try to cover your support for anti-gunners. In your case Queen Stevie, your Libtard friends betray you, because they know you never voted for or supported Donald Trump. They would all jump on you if they thought you voted for Trump... just as they do to everyone else who really did support him. You are all birds of a feather. You lie to us and you lie to yourselves.

Here is Biden's gun control plan from his campaign website, in case you missed it earlier. No good news for gun owners at all.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=58UPGtxRJM4
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 01/01/21 05:03 AM
Would you like a dress to wear along with that victim complex princess?
Posted By: craigd Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 01/01/21 05:54 AM
Originally Posted By: nca225
Would you like a dress to wear along with that victim complex princess?

Keith, thank you for referencing biden policy. This is what to expect when progressives mention reasonable gun control in passing.
Posted By: OldMaineWoodsman Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 01/01/21 09:33 AM
There is no such thing as reasonable gun control. Firearms owners and hunters who voted for Biden thinking that he is not interested in their duck hunting shotgun are going to regret their vote. The exception of course, are those who vote Democrat no matter the issue, or are fine with more intrusive laws and erosion of our rights.

We hear in the media all of the time that the far-left will push Biden. This is true. Harris is far-left. Groups like BLM are already demanding "something for their vote."

As many of us already know, the mission of the left is no firearms ownership. Right now the catch-phrase is "assault weapon" or "military grade weapons." Neither of these have any real definition.

They had a definition under the old semi-automatic assault weapon ban. Biden is well aware of the faults and flaws of that law that President Bush allowed to sunset. It was a bad law, which did nothing to prevent or stop or violent crime. And I base that on my experience working for the Treasury Department. He is also aware of the loopholes used by manufacturers and importers to get around that law.

He won't make that mistake this time around. So, when the Fudd's have to give up their Remington Model 1100, or Browning Auto-5, or Super Black Eagle, or Remington Model 742, or Browning BAR, or even your Ruger 10/22, you have no one but yourself to blame. And, there will be no grandfathering of currently owned models. Biden is aware of that too. It will not be just a ban on new purchases or importation.

Think Australia. He loves that model.

I don't own an AR-15 type rifle. I have no need or interest in one. However, I will support a guy's right to have one because I'm smart enough to know that they are not going to stop there.

Yes, Biden voters are going to be real popular among their sporting peers.
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 01/01/21 02:55 PM
Life is soooo much more simpler under a single issue lease isn't it Woodsman?
Posted By: JDH Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 01/01/21 03:02 PM
As I said on page 6.Struck a nerve too. I hear the Pavlik Morozov fan clubs are starting in California now. Turn your neighbor in if they appear to have too many people there. The Bill of Rights are being eroded to the point of meaninglessness.
Posted By: canvasback Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 01/01/21 03:12 PM
Originally Posted By: nca225
Originally Posted By: canvasback
Originally Posted By: nca225
Originally Posted By: keith
Sissy Chrissy, I know it is no longer possible to prove that you claimed the Russians/Putin "changed" the outcome of the 2016 election. You know damn well that post was deleted. It was in one of the Threads that Dave deleted entirely that you posted in the Silent Doubles forum, where I repeatedly asked you to show us your proof. And if you have evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians to change the election, then why didn't you give it to Mueller??? I also asked you that. You have nothing.

Voter I.D. laws do nothing to disenfranchise anyone. In fact, they are no more unconstitutional than my idea to charge voters a small fee of say $25 to $50 every election to do a background check to insure legal eligibility, just as we are required to to to exercise our 2nd Amendment Rights.

But we are still waiting for you to prove what you claimed about me and the German Gunsmith. You obviously saved evidence and QUOTES Sissy Chrissy. You repeatedly say I knowingly bought guns that the Nazi's took from dead Jews. Show us the proof. It gets a bit tiresome so often going back and proving what you Libtards actually said, but when I ask for proof, you all run away or try to change the subject.

Do not ever ask me to show proof of anything until you do that.


Actually I never accused you of directly buying guns stolen from murdered jews. My words are right there in my post# 588656. More lies from you princess. I did point out how you knowingly and intentionally did business with Gene the nazi all those years knowing what he was and then even while he was cheering on the death of jews, that still gave you no pause from doing business with him. Probably because you share the same sympathies. Show us where I am wrong on this.




Don't really know why I'm defending Keith but this Nazi stuff is just stupid. You know that all Americans "did business" with Nazis after the war. You know that one of the most important figures of the US space race was Wernher von Braun, one of the main guys who developed the V2 rocket for Hitler. You know that he and 1400 or so of his Nazi companions in rocket development were secretly brought over the US after the war to jump start the US missile and rocket programs. And that's just one small area of business and tech. It sure wasn't the only one.

This thread has been rather amusing. Everyone with the exception of OMW, in their silos, ears plugged with their fingers but yelling at the top of their voices. The only difference between the Left and the Right is the Right have facts on their side while the Left uses cancel culture to hide their inconvenient truths.

But the best part is none of you are convincing anyone of anything. That's not how on-line stuff works. You'd sway more people to your points of view if you spent $1000 on FB ads. LOL


I don't know why you are defending him either. Taking advantage of the knowledge of German scientists for our national interest is about the farthest thing from keith going to Nazi Gene's shop to do business with him while he is cheering on the death of Jews.

Why can't you see that CB?


Moral Relativism Chris. It's one of the foundational mistakes of the Left.

Either you are in bed with them or you are not. You can't pick and choose. "oh, it serves my interests here, but over here, where it makes no difference, I'll take a stand."
Posted By: OldMaineWoodsman Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 01/01/21 03:37 PM
nca225:

Iíll tell you what, hereís a challenge. Go through my last post paragraph by paragraph. Offer some evidence (not talking points, fact based evidence) or an alternative point to prove what I wrote is inaccurate or simply false.

No insults, attacks, or name calling allowed. No mentioning Trump. Write your counter-points not as a liberal or democrat but as a fellow American citizen.

Itís called civil, respectful debate. Can you do it?

Your turn,
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 01/01/21 03:44 PM
Originally Posted By: canvasback


Moral Relativism Chris. It's one of the foundational mistakes of the Left.

Either you are in bed with them or you are not. You can't pick and choose. "oh, it serves my interests here, but over here, where it makes no difference, I'll take a stand."


I think that pretty much is the most BS and poorly considered response I think you have ever given CB, but I don't want to jump to conclusions.

So lets paint a clear picture here. You think that that since the US government of the late 40's and 50's (elected well before I was born or keith could vote), employed former german scientists of the 3rd Reich because of their knowledge of rocket science to advance our national interest and security, that makes it OK for an individual, in their individual capacity to have dealings with Nazi's, in this case while one is cheering on the killing of jews? Is that what you are getting at?

Does that also mean that since the US government of the late 40's and 50's (elected well before I was born or keith could vote), employed former german scientists of the 3rd Reich because of their knowledge of rocket science to advance our national interest and security, that Nazi's are no longer bad?

Does that also mean that since the US government of the late 40's and 50's (elected well before I was born or keith could vote), employed former german scientists of the 3rd Reich because of their knowledge of rocket science to advance our national interest and security, that the murder of 6 million jews should no longer be of much concern?

Thinking about it some more, does that also mean that since the US government of the 1800s (elected well before I was born or keith could vote), as a policy, invaded the land of, killed and or confined its original occupants to reservations, that now, should one want to have their neighbor's property they can do the same? The US government did it to those people, so why can't we do it to these people?
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 01/01/21 04:01 PM
Originally Posted By: OldMaineWoodsman
nca225:

Iíll tell you what, hereís a challenge. Go through my last post paragraph by paragraph. Offer some evidence (not talking points, fact based evidence) or an alternative point to prove what I wrote is inaccurate or simply false.

No insults, attacks, or name calling allowed. No mentioning Trump. Write your counter-points not as a liberal or democrat but as a fellow American citizen.

Itís called civil, respectful debate. Can you do it?

Your turn,


Here's what I am getting at Woodsman.. I'll stipulate to what you have as Biden's plans on gun control. While I don't agree with that particular policy, it occurs to me that I am more aligned with the policies of the Democratic platform the I am with the GOP's.

To wit:

I am uncomfortable trading a women's right to do what she wants with her body so that I can possess whatever firearm I may fancy.

I am uncomfortable trading a persons right to cohabitate and marry whoever they wish so that I can possess whatever firearm I may fancy.

I am uncomfortable trading a transgendered child's right to live free from harassment so that I can possess whatever firearm I may fancy.

I am uncomfortable trading the well being of the environment so that I can possess whatever firearm I may fancy. - This actually does more to serve my hunting as well, because the mass migration that will eventually be caused by climate change is going to effect more then just humans and if there is no game around to shoot, then whats the point having a gun to shoot them?

I am uncomfortable trading the established scientific method so that I can possess whatever firearm I may fancy.

I am also reluctant to expose myself to predatory banking, lending or investment practices so that I can possess whatever firearm I may fancy.

I do hope that you see where my point was and that this clears it up for you.
Posted By: OldMaineWoodsman Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 01/01/21 04:06 PM
The only thing it makes clear, is you canít counter or dispute what I wrote.

As they say in court, no further questions.
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 01/01/21 04:12 PM
Originally Posted By: OldMaineWoodsman
The only thing it makes clear, is you canít counter or dispute what I wrote.

As they say in court, no further questions.


UMMMM, you do realize that's what I lead with? That by stipulating to Biden's gun control plans, I wasn't disputing it.


That is what stipulate means.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/stipulate

Seems to me you are trying to declare victory when there was no fight.
Posted By: canvasback Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 01/01/21 04:27 PM
Originally Posted By: nca225
Originally Posted By: canvasback


Moral Relativism Chris. It's one of the foundational mistakes of the Left.

Either you are in bed with them or you are not. You can't pick and choose. "oh, it serves my interests here, but over here, where it makes no difference, I'll take a stand."


I think that pretty much is the most BS and poorly considered response I think you have ever given CB, but I don't want to jump to conclusions.

So lets paint a clear picture here. You think that that since the US government of the late 40's and 50's (elected well before I was born or keith could vote), employed former german scientists of the 3rd Reich because of their knowledge of rocket science to advance our national interest and security, that makes it OK for an individual, in their individual capacity to have dealings with Nazi's, in this case while one is cheering on the killing of jews? Is that what you are getting at?

Does that also mean that since the US government of the late 40's and 50's (elected well before I was born or keith could vote), employed former german scientists of the 3rd Reich because of their knowledge of rocket science to advance our national interest and security, that Nazi's are no longer bad?

Does that also mean that since the US government of the late 40's and 50's (elected well before I was born or keith could vote), employed former german scientists of the 3rd Reich because of their knowledge of rocket science to advance our national interest and security, that the murder of 6 million jews should no longer be of much concern?

Thinking about it some more, does that also mean that since the US government of the 1800s (elected well before I was born or keith could vote), as a policy, invaded the land of, killed and or confined its original occupants to reservations, that now, should one want to have their neighbor's property they can do the same? The US government did it to those people, so why can't we do it to these people?


Laughable Chris.

Is there any evidence Keith has been cheering for the killing of Jews? Is there any evidence Keith bought anything from an avowed anti Semite Nazi who supported Hitler's final solution? You are doing to Keith what I am always bitching at him about....making unsubstantiated leaps to impugn motive or belief.

Not for a second did my comment suggest the US government stopped thinking Nazis were bad or that 6 million murdered Jews were no longer a concern. And the application of those wild leaps to the indigenous situation is beyond foolish.

The point my comment makes is that the US in it's infinite wisdom decided to move on at the end of WWII. They looked at their utterly vanquished foes, learned the lessons of the Treaty of Versailles, and set about building Japan and German up again, in a different mold. A policy that, 75 years on, seems to have worked extremely well. In doing so, they held those most responsible to account but let the vast majority of people in those countries move forward with their lives.

Were there those who continued to support Nazism? Sure there were. Did they live among us? Sure they did. But so did communists who you don't hold to account for the Holomodor. Who you don't hold to account for the Cultural Revolution and Great Leap Forward. Regimes and philosophies that made the Nazis look like amateurs when it comes to killing.

Your regular attacks on Keith as a Nazi sympathizer are both stupid (you have no evidence) and hypocritical (you support philosophical stances that killed far more in the 20th century and continue to do so to this day).

Pick a different bat to beat Keith about with, if you can find one. This one only looks bad on you.
Posted By: keith Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 01/01/21 04:59 PM
I'll try to make this real easy for Sissy Chrissy nca225.

Before I even had a drivers license, I would sometimes hop on my bicycle, and ride to the gunsmith shop owned by a former German soldier.

He was not a Death Camp Guard or an S.S. Member. He was an armorer who was given the job of removing the wood stocks from guns that were confiscated by the Nazi's when they conquered a town or city. Then he was supposed to crush the barrels and action in a press to render it unusable, and the scrap was sent to steel mills to produce steel, ostensibly for the war effort.

Gene stashed some of the nicer guns he was supposed to scrap. He was literally stealing material for the war effort from the Nazi's. Had he been caught, I'd imagine the punishment would be severe. He was not being heroic. He merely saw gorgeous guns about to be destroyed, and decided to save what he could for himself.

He managed to get these guns smuggled into the U.S. when he emmigrated here after the war. He and his wife became U.S. Citizens, and he was able to both own firearms, and hold an FFL. He repaired and built guns, and he also sold guns. I never saw any of the very nice guns he stole from the Nazi's being sold. They were part of his very large personal collection or horde. I never saw one individual who had so many guns.

Gene never offered me any of his guns that were stolen from the Nazi's, nor did I ever offer to buy any.

I do own a very nice Herrmann Eichhorn 16 gauge sidelock double, and a C.K. Ansorg drilling that I bought some years ago from a former U.S. soldier. They were likely G.I. bring-backs that most likely were taken from some German citizen during or after the war. There were also millions of war surplus Mausers, Walthers, and other German military weapons shipped and sold here after the war. Many of them were produced, used, and sold by Jew hating Nazi's.

Nobody on any gun forum has ever expressed concern that their surplus military or sporterized Mauser may have been used to kill Jews or American soldiers, or that it was produced by the Nazi's who killed over 6 million Jews.

There are still a lot of anti-semites and Jew haters in this country. Many are politicians and leaders of the Civil Rights movement, like Rev. Al Sharpton and Lewis Farrakhan. Jesse Jackson, who admitted spitting in the food of white people he served while working as a waiter in NYC, is a well known Jew hating anti-semite. I'm quite sure Sissy Chrissy would be proud to march alongside them in a BLM parade.

I am not responsible for what is in other people's hearts. I was at Gene's home in 1991 looking for parts for a Siamese Mauser. Gene and his wife had CNN on TV, and were cheering for Saddam to fire more Scud Missiles into Israel. A lot of Muslims and other Americans were happy to see Israel attacked. I have no doubt that Sissy Chrissy has bought many things from Muslim owned convenience stores or gas stations that were operated by Jew haters. A lot of Democrats voted for the Iraq War, and then reversed their position shortly thereafter, to undermine George Bush, and try to make him a one term President. Their efforts helped Saddam Hussein. Sissy Chrissy nca225 supports them blindly, because they are Democrats.

Sissy Chrissy nca225 keeps repeating that I went to Gene's shop and house knowing that he hated Jews. That is a complete lie. I never heard Gene express any anti-semitic sentiment in all the years I knew him, until that day in 1991.

Really though, Gene was a better person and a better American than Sissy Chrissy or any of our Libtards here. Gene would never have voted for Joe Biden, or any politician who would infringe upon the 2nd Amendment Rights of law abiding U.S. Citizens.

Sissy Chrissy talks about the Constitutional Right of voting without voter I.D., because it is a fundamental Constitutional right. Yet he/she is telling Oldmainewoodsman that the right to own a firearm is not important, and it is OK for Liberal Democrats to violate that fundamamental Right. Abortion, gay marriage, and prohibitions against making fun of transgenders like Sissy Chrissy are not found anywhere in the Constitution. Nor is there any Constitutional prohibition for verifying eligibility to vote.

Sissy Chrissy also supports Joe Biden even though he has promised to ban fracking and offshore drilling exploration, making the U.S. once again dependent upon Arab oil. Much of that Arab oil money has been used to launch terrorist attacks on Jews in Israel. It has been used to fund armies to destroy Israel.

Finally, Sissy Chrissy supports Joe Biden and Obama, even though Obama gave over $1.5 billion in cash to Iran and entered into the Iran Nuclear Deal which did nothing to stop Iran from enriching uranium and getting nuclear weapons.

Iran openly shouts "Death to America", and threatens to totally destroy Israel. Donald Trump got us out of the insane Iran Nuclear Deal and crushed them with sanctions that has them on the verge of failure. Altzheimer Joe Biden wants to put us back into the Iran Nuclear Deal, knowing they wish to kill every Jew in Israel. And Sissy Chrissy nca225 supports that... along with the other Libtards here.

Jew hating bastards! Closet Nazi's, no doubt.

Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 01/01/21 05:47 PM
Originally Posted By: canvasback
Is there any evidence Keith has been cheering for the killing of Jews? Is there any evidence Keith bought anything from an avowed anti Semite Nazi who supported Hitler's final solution? You are doing to Keith what I am always bitching at him about....making unsubstantiated leaps to impugn motive or belief.


This is a bit disingenuous of you donít you think CB? I have never said it was keith cheering on the death of jews. Nor is the issue is whether keith concluded a purchase. Keith, by his own words admitted to going to the guys shop over many years, knowing full well where Gene and his ill begotten inventory came from. And keith knew Gene was a nazi, as keith has admitted in his own words.

Do you or would you frequent the shop of a former Nazi? I donít, not because there are none around, its because I wouldnít be caught dead in one let alone giving any kind of support by giving it my business. I know Iím a liberal, but I do try to have some self-dignity and standards.

To make matters worse, while he was there to source a part for his mauser, there was Gene at that very moment cheering on the death of jews and it wasnít that disgusting act that prevented the transaction, it was that Gene wasnít feeling well enough to go look for the part. Are you seriously suggesting that if Gene had went and found the part, keith would not have purchased it?

That you canít recognize that there is something fundamentally wrong with the situation that keith painstakingly detailed, about trying to buy a part off of Gene while he is cheering on the death of Jews, indicates your judgment is severely compromised. But why am I surprisedÖ you frequently grasp onto outlandish and disproven conspiracy theories.


Originally Posted By: canvasback
Not for a second did my comment suggest the US government stopped thinking Nazis were bad or that 6 million murdered Jews were no longer a concern. And the application of those wild leaps to the indigenous situation is beyond foolish.


Its not. Itís the logical extension of what you are suggesting. Thinking what you are arguing through draws this conclusion. Your not recognizing that is more evidence of a compromised judgment.

Originally Posted By: canvasback
Were there those who continued to support Nazism? Sure there were. Did they live among us? Sure they did. But so did communists who you don't hold to account for the Holomodor. Who you don't hold to account for the Cultural Revolution and Great Leap Forward. Regimes and philosophies that made the Nazis look like amateurs when it comes to killing.

Your regular attacks on Keith as a Nazi sympathizer are both stupid (you have no evidence) and hypocritical (you support philosophical stances that killed far more in the 20th century and continue to do so to this day).

Pick a different bat to beat Keith about with, if you can find one. This one only looks bad on you.


Kindly point out where I have ever said I support communism, condone the Holomodor or that I supported the Cultural Revolution and the Great Leap Forward. If you can do that you might as well point out where I have come out for successive five year plans and forced industrialization. But you wont, because I havenít nor will I ever. To suggest otherwise is a disingenuous attack.


You should make up with keith, your getting to be more like him, which is sad.
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 01/01/21 05:54 PM
Originally Posted By: keith
I'll try to make this real easy for Sissy Chrissy nca225.

Before I even had a drivers license, I would sometimes hop on my bicycle, and ride to the gunsmith shop owned by a former German soldier.

He was not a Death Camp Guard or an S.S. Member. He was an armorer who was given the job of removing the wood stocks from guns that were confiscated by the Nazi's when they conquered a town or city. Then he was supposed to crush the barrels and action in a press to render it unusable, and the scrap was sent to steel mills to produce steel, ostensibly for the war effort.

Gene stashed some of the nicer guns he was supposed to scrap. He was literally stealing material for the war effort from the Nazi's. Had he been caught, I'd imagine the punishment would be severe. He was not being heroic. He merely saw gorgeous guns about to be destroyed, and decided to save what he could for himself.

He managed to get these guns smuggled into the U.S. when he emmigrated here after the war. He and his wife became U.S. Citizens, and he was able to both own firearms, and hold an FFL. He repaired and built guns, and he also sold guns. I never saw any of the very nice guns he stole from the Nazi's being sold. They were part of his very large personal collection or horde. I never saw one individual who had so many guns.

Gene never offered me any of his guns that were stolen from the Nazi's, nor did I ever offer to buy any.

I do own a very nice Herrmann Eichhorn 16 gauge sidelock double, and a C.K. Ansorg drilling that I bought some years ago from a former U.S. soldier. They were likely G.I. bring-backs that most likely were taken from some German citizen during or after the war. There were also millions of war surplus Mausers, Walthers, and other German military weapons shipped and sold here after the war. Many of them were produced, used, and sold by Jew hating Nazi's.

Nobody on any gun forum has ever expressed concern that their surplus military or sporterized Mauser may have been used to kill Jews or American soldiers, or that it was produced by the Nazi's who killed over 6 million Jews.

There are still a lot of anti-semites and Jew haters in this country. Many are politicians and leaders of the Civil Rights movement, like Rev. Al Sharpton and Lewis Farrakhan. Jesse Jackson, who admitted spitting in the food of white people he served while working as a waiter in NYC, is a well known Jew hating anti-semite. I'm quite sure Sissy Chrissy would be proud to march alongside them in a BLM parade.

I am not responsible for what is in other people's hearts. I was at Gene's home in 1991 looking for parts for a Siamese Mauser. Gene and his wife had CNN on TV, and were cheering for Saddam to fire more Scud Missiles into Israel. A lot of Muslims and other Americans were happy to see Israel attacked. I have no doubt that Sissy Chrissy has bought many things from Muslim owned convenience stores or gas stations that were operated by Jew haters. A lot of Democrats voted for the Iraq War, and then reversed their position shortly thereafter, to undermine George Bush, and try to make him a one term President. Their efforts helped Saddam Hussein. Sissy Chrissy nca225 supports them blindly, because they are Democrats.

Sissy Chrissy nca225 keeps repeating that I went to Gene's shop and house knowing that he hated Jews. That is a complete lie. I never heard Gene express any anti-semitic sentiment in all the years I knew him, until that day in 1991.

Really though, Gene was a better person and a better American than Sissy Chrissy or any of our Libtards here. Gene would never have voted for Joe Biden, or any politician who would infringe upon the 2nd Amendment Rights of law abiding U.S. Citizens.

Sissy Chrissy talks about the Constitutional Right of voting without voter I.D., because it is a fundamental Constitutional right. Yet he/she is telling Oldmainewoodsman that the right to own a firearm is not important, and it is OK for Liberal Democrats to violate that fundamamental Right. Abortion, gay marriage, and prohibitions against making fun of transgenders like Sissy Chrissy are not found anywhere in the Constitution. Nor is there any Constitutional prohibition for verifying eligibility to vote.

Sissy Chrissy also supports Joe Biden even though he has promised to ban fracking and offshore drilling exploration, making the U.S. once again dependent upon Arab oil. Much of that Arab oil money has been used to launch terrorist attacks on Jews in Israel. It has been used to fund armies to destroy Israel.

Finally, Sissy Chrissy supports Joe Biden and Obama, even though Obama gave over $1.5 billion in cash to Iran and entered into the Iran Nuclear Deal which did nothing to stop Iran from enriching uranium and getting nuclear weapons.

Iran openly shouts "Death to America", and threatens to totally destroy Israel. Donald Trump got us out of the insane Iran Nuclear Deal and crushed them with sanctions that has them on the verge of failure. Altzheimer Joe Biden wants to put us back into the Iran Nuclear Deal, knowing they wish to kill every Jew in Israel. And Sissy Chrissy nca225 supports that... along with the other Libtards here.

Jew hating bastards! Closet Nazi's, no doubt.



This nothing but a bunch of backpedaling BS. But I'll tell what princess, if I were frequenting the convenient store owned by a muslim, and I heard said muslim cheering on the death of jews, I wouldn't buy anything there and I would stop frequenting it.

You heard Gene cheering in the death of jews and that gave you no pause whatsoever and you have a coward's excuse for it.
Posted By: keith Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 01/01/21 06:21 PM
Originally Posted By: nca225


Kindly point out where I have ever said I support communism, condone the Holomodor or that I supported the Cultural Revolution and the Great Leap Forward. If you can do that you might as well point out where I have come out for successive five year plans and forced industrialization. But you wont, because I havenít nor will I ever. To suggest otherwise is a disingenuous attack


I suppose you will deny your stated admiration for Che Gueverra when you jumped in to a Misfires discussion several years ago, and identified the little man in this diagram of a Libtard brain:



You can continue to try to call me a Nazi for the crime of going to the home of a guy who cheered Saddam Hussein while I was there. But the fact remains Sissy Chrissy... you openly continue to support Liberal Left Democrats who violate the Constitutional Rights of U.S. Citizens. Not only that, but by doing so, they prevent and prohibit law abiding citizens from the basic human right of self defense of their homes and families. Many people have died and been brutally attacked waiting for the police to arrive in places where guns are restricted, and you happily support that.

I don't think that trying to buy a bolt stop for a Siamese Mauser comes close to your complicity in helping criminals kill and attack innocent people by taking away their fundamental and Constitutional Gun Rights. But what would we expect from a Libtard like you who also supports the Liberal Democrats who support late term abortions??? Gene was a great humanitarian compared to a baby killer like you:



This is not about choice. There is little doubt that the millions of babies killed by abortion would choose to not be ripped apart and sucked out when they have developed nervous systems, and can react to painful stimuli.

Posted By: OldMaineWoodsman Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 01/01/21 06:53 PM
Sorry for the delay nca225, I was out exercising my right under the Second Amendment to chase woodcock with a shotgun.

At least I understand that right applies to the guy who chooses to hunt or target shoot with an AR type rifle as well.

Didn't cross paths with anyone with an AR, but it is nice to know that if I have their back supporting our rights they will have mine.

And yes, I do know what stipulate means. At least two different attorneys' did just that when they saw me in the witness waiting room.

I just wanted to see if you were willing to engage without insults or talking-points. You did that, but then you couldn't help yourself. You just had to post the link with the definition. All good as they say. We just agree to disagree.
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 01/01/21 07:01 PM
Forgive me Woodsman, it seemed from your response that you either didn't realize I wasn't disputing what Biden's plan was, or that you were just interested in trying to one-up me along the lines of what you accused me of. But yeah, all good as they say.

Posted By: craigd Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 01/01/21 08:15 PM
Originally Posted By: nca225

....I am uncomfortable trading....

....I am uncomfortable trading....

....I am uncomfortable trading....

....I am uncomfortable trading....

....I am uncomfortable trading....

....I am also reluctant to....

....I do hope that you see where my point was and that this clears it up for you.

One would need a pretty thrifty allocation of brain cells to hope that you might have a point. What happens tomorrow when you are less reluctant or more comfortable in your hypocritical skin.

Let me make a point that would make you understand and respect. I am uncomfortable trading your lies for the hope-n-change of a yet to be seen progressive US of A, and I am reluctant to believe the slightest comment from you about any betterment bidenís speech writers can offer to the country.

happi holidaze
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 01/01/21 08:55 PM
So what.

You feel better for getting a chance to be two clever by half again thrifty? That just gives me an opportunity to respond that I couldn't give less of a fu@k about what you think, or what bothers you, or what you problems you have or whatever even becomes of you. Couldn't care less about any of that. Although to be honest, in the allocation of brain cells, if the outcome turned out to be disastrous, I would think it appropriate.

I feel better now too, even though we are sharing the same boat.
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 01/01/21 09:21 PM
Originally Posted By: nca225
So what.

You feel better for getting a chance to be two clever by half again thrifty? That just gives me an opportunity to respond that I couldn't give less of a fu@k about what you think, or what bothers you, or what you problems you have or whatever even becomes of you. Couldn't care less about any of that. Although to be honest, in the allocation of brain cells, if the outcome turned out to be disastrous, I would think it appropriate.

I feel better now too, even though we are sharing the same boat.


Should be stickied everywhere, to clarify the progressive, BLM (burn, loot, murder) new liberal movement, for those that still donít grasp what changed between now and the wag the dog moment of Bill Clinton bombing an aspirin factory in the Mideast.

Iíd suggest you show up in the pink knit fashion statement hat of your movement in DC on January 6th, but, I donít hate you as much as you hate us.

Best,
Ted
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 01/01/21 09:30 PM
Are you anticipating violence on the 6th ted?
Posted By: craigd Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 01/01/21 09:46 PM
Originally Posted By: nca225

....I couldn't give less of a fu@k about what you think, or what bothers you, or what you problems you have or whatever even becomes of you. Couldn't care less about any of that....

I guess I snipped out they right parts of your quote, and just left the content of your character.

Of all the points you brought up, not one was under threat by action or rhetoric from President Trump, and all are dnc talking points. If thatís all you have, then it should be apparent to even you, that if your emotions arenít shared, then they should be resisted at all opportunities.

hapi hollowdaze
Posted By: craigd Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 01/01/21 09:50 PM
Originally Posted By: nca225
Are you anticipating violence on the 6th ted?

Please direct policy questions to thousand currents.
Posted By: nca225 Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 01/01/21 10:10 PM
Originally Posted By: craigd


Of all the points you brought up, not one was under threat by action or rhetoric from President Trump, and all are dnc talking points. If thatís all you have, then it should be apparent to even you, that if your emotions arenít shared, then they should be resisted at all opportunities.


Glad to see you still keep it as a point of pride to be as ignorant as possible thrifty.
Posted By: craigd Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 01/01/21 10:40 PM
Ignorant? When were you ever authorized to use the word pride in such an offensive manner. Dog whistles, coloring books for those without without pride.
Posted By: keith Re: A bit OT: Last Stand? - 01/01/21 11:35 PM
Originally Posted By: nca225
Originally Posted By: craigd


Of all the points you brought up, not one was under threat by action or rhetoric from President Trump, and all are dnc talking points. If thatís all you have, then it should be apparent to even you, that if your emotions arenít shared, then they should be resisted at all opportunities.


Glad to see you still keep it as a point of pride to be as ignorant as possible thrifty.


For someone who pretends to be so attuned to basic liberties and fundamental and Constitutional Rights, you sure do find ways to rationalize Democrats ignoring those very same Rights. All good if you can use it to attack Trump.

I notice you had no reply to my last post Sissy Chrissy. I was hoping you would at least mention the Che Gueverra tee shirt again.

We already know that you are much more concerned with things like gay marriage and transgender rights than the 2nd Amendment Sissy Chrissy. I'm sure those things are just more important to you on a personal level than they are to the average gun owner.

But you and Billy and your other Libtard friends and puppeteers continually overlook the many good things Trump and his team did in bringing us to the point of record time vaccine development and administration, and expediting production of ventilators and PPE. The numbers no longer mean anything due to how this pandemic was politicized, and we will never know just how bad it really was.

When mask recommendations first hit, we got very conflicting advice. We were told they really don't help that much, but hey, if you have a stockpile of N95's, please donate them to your local hospital and first responders.

And months after the Trump administration sent a fully equipped hospital ship to NYC, none of you Libtards will acknowledge that use of that ship was rejected by Democrat politicians, and the Democrat Governor Cuomo instead ordered still contagious covid19 patients to Nursing Homes where they infected and killed thousands of elderly patients.

In spite of that, the Liberal Fake News Media joined all of you in not reporting or mentioning it. But they suggested Cuomo would make a great Democrat presidential candidate. If Trump had done that, they would accuse him of genocide.

On the fundamental Constitutional rights and freedoms aspect, Trump very correctly left a lot of things to the States and Governors. And we quickly saw how many Democrat Governors and Mayors flubbed things and became Covid19 hotspots.

We know that you are very stupid and flunked out of college, but your ghost writer should know a bit about States Rights, and the 9th and 10th Amendments. I suggest he should read them. You, not so much... it would be a waste of time.

Had Trump assumed dictatorial powers not granted to him by the U.S. Constitution pertaining to travel, quarantines, and mandatory mask wearing, etc., Liberal Democrats would have been screaming for another Impeachment on grounds of violating the Constitution. Liberal Democrats cry non-stop about the collapse of the economy, yet you all criticize Trump for not shutting down the economy even longer. We still have the conundrum where Libtards claim Trump rallies were super-spreader events, but BLM rallies, riots, and huge multiple funerals for dead criminals were perfectly fine. Several of you have repeated the lie that Trump recommended drinking bleach, yet none of you answered the challenge to provide a direct quote of him saying such a thing. So is it name-calling to call you all liars, or is it just simple facts???

Liberal Democrats screamed bloody murder about Trump's China and Europe travel bans, and called him a xenophobe and racist over it.

That racist thing brings us to another valid point Sissy Chrissy. Conservative here including myself have been posting facts about the extremely racist past of the Democrat Party for years. Many leading Democrat politicians have been devout segregationists and members of the KKK. Negroes have been beaten, lynched, hanged, burned etc., yet you and your Libtards pals all support them and will never even mention their support for segregation, slavery, and denial of basic rights such as education, housing, civil rights, and voting. Yet you act all butt-hurt over me trying to buy a bolt stop for a Siamese Mauser from an ex-German soldier who happened to dislike Jews. And you still wish to tar me as a Nazi by using lies. What a gutless fraud you are.

You should just stick to marching in gay rights parades with your husband, and dancing around the rainbow Festivus pole. The arguments you make to defend your blind support for anti-Constitutional anti-gunners, abortion, the Democrat Party of racists, and the many failures of Socialism just keep proving that you are all hypocritical idiots and fools. And your ghost writer who winds you up and let's you make a complete ass of yourself has done you no favors either.
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