I have not found much information on D B Crockart. Scottish maker in Perth and Stirling. Anyone have more info such and build numbers and dates in each location? Are there sn lists with dates of manufacture? Thanks.

Jim

Page 78 of British Gunmakers vol 2 has some serial numbers and dates for D.B. Crockhart Perth,

What serial number are are you looking for an answer on?

Not much details there

Dickson's have a D.B. Crockart gun for sale. This is the history they list with the gun:

The name of Crockart and gunmaking in Perthshire has been around since 1817 when James Crockart was born, the son of William Crockart of Findo Gask, a small village just outside Perth in Scotland. In 1852, James opened a gunshop on Leslie Street, near the Wellmeadow in Blairgowrie and where the firm of James Crockart and Son was born. James made sporting and target rifles, shotguns, fishing tackle and loaded cartridges and was himself a very keen game shot and won countless trophies on the shooting range out to 1000yds. This venture proved successful and soon led to expansion with the business moving to larger premises on the east side of Allan street. From there the business grew and again moved to a larger shop with a purpose built workshop at 26 Allan street. However, due to a shooting accident James gave up the sport and his leisure time was then devoted solely to fishing.

James Crockart had six sons, two of whom, Robert and William took over the business in Blairgowrie on the death of their father in 1896. The brothers each had three sons, but it was William’s sons who stayed with the business, which was family owned right up until 1945, being run by William’s grandson, when it was sold to Harry Michie, a gunsmith and an international small bore rifle champion. In 1968, Robert Jamieson took over the business from Harry Michie, and a larger premises at 28 Allan street was purchased including a gunroom and workshop which is still in operation today.

Another of old James Crockart’s sons, David C. Crockart, went into the gunmaking business. However, he did not join his brothers, Robert and William in Blairgowrie, instead David went to America but after 10 years returned to Scotland where he joined a Mr. Michie in Stirling in 1877, the business known as Malloch, Michie & Crockart.

In 1890, David dissolved the partnership with Mr. Michie and set up his own business at 44 George Street, Perth taking over the gunmaking business of Edward Paton, but this lasted only four years, the business being bought out by James MacNaughton & Sons, gunmakers, who occupied this address as a branch outlet of their Edinburgh business until 1909. David returned to Stirling where he acquired the business he had formerly been connected to, from Mr. Michie, it then being know as D. Crockart & Sons, King Street, Stirling. Like his father, David was a keen rifle shot, a member of the Stirling Rifle Volunteers, a game shot and of course, a keen angler. David C. Crockart died in 1922, but the Stirling shop continued business under the guidance of his son, Frank Bisset Crockart. Guns were made in the Stirling shop by Mr. Dyson.

David’s other son, David Bisset Crockart (1879 - 1960) established his gun making business at 33 County Place, Perth in 1907. He took a practical interest in shooting, particularly rifle shooting, being treasurer and secretary of the Perth City & County Rifle Club for 35 years. The business moved twice during a period of seventy years right up to 1976, when the business closed.

Ken

The data shows years breakdown for 1941-74 and that their guns were noted as made by The trade to include G&S Holloway and Webley Scott

Data in 1941 starts with SN 1730

James Crockhart & Sons,still trades as a business in Blairgowrie selling guns and countrywear etc.Quite an emporium and still serves the sportsmen of quite a large surrounding area!!!
Quite a few Crockhart guns of all qualities crop up for sale by provincial standards ,sales must have been relatively numerous.

No sn on water table or bbl flats. Sn 22323 on bottom rib.

Unfortunately the listing in the book British Gunmakers vol 2 only shows four digit serial numbers 1730 in 1941 through 2136 in 1974.

I am afraid I maybe of no use on this, as the book does not cover 22323 specifically for Crockart.

It does note that on some G&S Holloway gun’s made for Crockart they bear an engraved H between the loop and lumps.

Looking at the entries under Holloway & Sons / G & S Holloway show that a serial number of 22323 (your five digit SN fits the Holloway format perfectly), if a Holloway gun serial number would place it in 1941 production. If a Webley Scott # that would put it in 1877 or so

Thanks for the info. Besides the “H” between the loop and lumps, is there a way to tell a Holloway from a W & C Scott?

I've got a G & S Holloway trade catalogue for around that period. If you have photo of the gun I may be able to match it up to a particular model. Lagopus…..

Gun is now in hand. Serial number on the bottom rib is actually 22525. There is a T. between the loop and the lumps. London and Birmingham proofs.

Pictures from Vern, they may enable someone to identify its original maker?

I think the action is a Webley & Scott product. Pretty generic.

Joe is on it, total Webley!

Thanks guys. Any ideas on vintage?

Jim

What features identify it as a Webley and not a Holloway? Thanks.

Jim