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Posted By: Chuck H Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/26/20 03:10 PM
I'm posting this link to some testing of corrosion protectants and lubes for my friends here. I thought there was some good information that could help you decide on what to use.

After reading the blog, I'm ordering some Froglube and some Hornady One Shot to see if either is what I'm looking for in terms of protection that won't damage a stock finish. Good luck

http://www.dayattherange.com/?page_id=3667
Posted By: old colonel Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/26/20 04:30 PM
Interesting self executed experiment, that said I am not sure of two things.

Whether the polystyrene is a good measure of potential damage or not, I note he had to choose something and I doubt he wanted to volunteer a gunstock? And there are a number of guns with poly finishes of one sort or another.

I was not surprised that the number of solvents he selected actually dissolved the polystyrene as they are supposed to deal with plastic wad residue. I was surprised that Eesox did so too. Does make me want to go back and check Eesox on gunstock finish, though I have never had an issue.

Second if I were to repeat his test on several lubes how close the results might be? I did a test on Eesox and CLP a long time ago and Eesox won, maybe it is time to test it against Froglube, except that I have a gallon of Eesox that will take a few years to use up.

It is my belief that simply cleaning and oiling regardless of brand is the important thing, what oil ultimately chosen can make a small difference, but simply oiling correctly is the critical task.
Posted By: craigd Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/26/20 05:20 PM
How much petroleum based oil has to soak into a stock before it displaces water?
Posted By: FlyChamps Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/26/20 10:59 PM
I also believe that regular cleaning and replacement of lubes is more important than the type of lube.

I use vaseline for lubing the contact points of my doubles and Ballistol for locks, ejectors and the exterior because it is not harmful (or at least less harmful) to wood than the usual petroleum based gun oils.

I've never had a corrosion problem and don't foresee an issue unless a firearm is being used in a saltwater environment.
Posted By: bill schodlatz Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/27/20 12:03 AM
I have used plain old WD40 for at least 40 years using a sheep skin with the wool on it to wipe down the outside of a gun and always giving the chamber a light shot. NO problems!

bill
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/27/20 12:09 AM
Originally Posted By: FlyChamps
I also believe that regular cleaning and replacement of lubes is more important than the type of lube.

I use vaseline for lubing the contact points of my doubles and Ballistol for locks, ejectors and the exterior because it is not harmful (or at least less harmful) to wood than the usual petroleum based gun oils.

I've never had a corrosion problem and don't foresee an issue unless a firearm is being used in a saltwater environment.


Do yourself and your guns a huge favor, and quit using Vaseline on them. Exceptionally poor shear and EP protection for metal on metal applications.

Literally anything else is better. But, a synthetic EP grease would be best.

Best,
Ted
Posted By: old colonel Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/27/20 12:14 AM
First time I opened up my Purdey the locks were caked in Vaseline Fortunately the wood was not soaked, I cleaned it up and left a very light film of vaseline. I did that as the Purdey care instructions specified it, although like you I have my doubt if it was best.

I have not pursued Purdey as to what they recommend today.
Posted By: canvasback Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/27/20 02:16 AM
This test has been around for a while. I first saw it at least 6-7 years ago. Tried Frog Lube. It goes rancid.
Posted By: Chuck H Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/27/20 03:00 AM
Originally Posted By: canvasback
This test has been around for a while. I first saw it at least 6-7 years ago. Tried Frog Lube. It goes rancid.


Thanks. I did some searching and found a lot of unhappy users. Gummed up mess etc..
Posted By: BrentD, Prof Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/27/20 03:14 AM
Never heard of an unhappy Frog Luber but another lube that has worked well in one of the more extensive and intensive test is a variant of the wd40 line. It is nothing like regular WD40 however. Called "WD40 Specialist Longterm Corrosion Inhibitor" and indeed it is, and a decent lubricant as well.

Frankly, there are lots of things out there that work darn well.
Posted By: Wonko the Sane Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/27/20 04:39 PM
It has always been a mystery to me (OK, not really) the lengths people will go to in order to save a couple pennies over the course of a lifetime OR that for reasons unknown are more knowledgeable about lubrication demands imposed by firearms than chemists or petroleum engineers. I mean, if someone can't afford a lubricant designed specifically for firearms and marketed as such, how can they afford a gun?

But then it's your gun and you are perfectly welcome to smear anything on it that rings your bell.

have another day
Dr. WtS
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/27/20 05:02 PM
Originally Posted By: Wonko the Sane
It has always been a mystery to me (OK, not really) the lengths people will go to in order to save a couple pennies over the course of a lifetime OR that for reasons unknown are more knowledgeable about lubrication demands imposed by firearms than chemists or petroleum engineers. I mean, if someone can't afford a lubricant designed specifically for firearms and marketed as such, how can they afford a gun?

But then it's your gun and you are perfectly welcome to smear anything on it that rings your bell.

have another day
Dr. WtS


Marketers love people that swallow anything they say, or sell, whole.

Why wouldn’t they? If it actually works worth a fook, is secondary, right after getting the marks money.

Use anything you like, save, Vaseline on your guns.

Best,
Ted
Posted By: Shotgunjones Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/27/20 05:11 PM
Evey legitimate lubrication engineer and automotive owners manual advises against the use of 'additives' in finished lubrication products.

This has not stopped Forrest Lucas from becoming a billionaire.

I'm still searching for the problem I would need most of these tested products to solve.

My Rem Oil habit is only about 2 cans a year. I'm OK with that.
Posted By: old colonel Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/27/20 05:55 PM
Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein
Originally Posted By: Wonko the Sane
It has always been a mystery to me (OK, not really) the lengths people will go to in order to save a couple pennies over the course of a lifetime OR that for reasons unknown are more knowledgeable about lubrication demands imposed by firearms than chemists or petroleum engineers. I mean, if someone can't afford a lubricant designed specifically for firearms and marketed as such, how can they afford a gun?

But then it's your gun and you are perfectly welcome to smear anything on it that rings your bell.

have another day
Dr. WtS


Marketers love people that swallow anything they say, or sell, whole.

Why wouldn’t they? If it actually works worth a fook, is secondary, right after getting the marks money.

Use anything you like, save, Vaseline on your guns.

Best,
Ted


While instinctively I agree with you on Vaseline, I went back over the Purdey website Because old Purdey manuals actually recommended Vaseline on the locks. I suspect at one time Vaseline was defaulted to as it was easily available and much of the better things we have today did not exist. I went back to the1929 Purdey instructions state “slightly greased-we prefer Vaseline for this purpose.” I found buried within a current video on Purdey’s website a Purdey employee still recommending a 3-in-1 oil Vaseline mix for action parts.

Why would “slightly greased” with Vaseline be bad?

What specific lubricant would you suggest on a SLE’s locks and why?
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/27/20 07:14 PM
Originally Posted By: old colonel
Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein
Originally Posted By: Wonko the Sane
It has always been a mystery to me (OK, not really) the lengths people will go to in order to save a couple pennies over the course of a lifetime OR that for reasons unknown are more knowledgeable about lubrication demands imposed by firearms than chemists or petroleum engineers. I mean, if someone can't afford a lubricant designed specifically for firearms and marketed as such, how can they afford a gun?

But then it's your gun and you are perfectly welcome to smear anything on it that rings your bell.

have another day
Dr. WtS


Marketers love people that swallow anything they say, or sell, whole.

Why wouldn’t they? If it actually works worth a fook, is secondary, right after getting the marks money.

Use anything you like, save, Vaseline on your guns.

Best,
Ted


While instinctively I agree with you on Vaseline, I went back over the Purdey website Because old Purdey manuals actually recommended Vaseline on the locks. I suspect at one time Vaseline was defaulted to as it was easily available and much of the better things we have today did not exist. I went back to the1929 Purdey instructions state “slightly greased-we prefer Vaseline for this purpose.” I found buried within a current video on Purdey’s website a Purdey employee still recommending a 3-in-1 oil Vaseline mix for action parts.

Why would “slightly greased” with Vaseline be bad?

What specific lubricant would you suggest on a SLE’s locks and why?


A synthetic lubricant. Vaseline becomes a liquid at a fairly low temperature, and, as I noted has no EP qualities. Oil or grease might not make much difference, as long as you use one or the other, and the synthetics are stable over an unbelievable temperature spread.

In another segment of my existence, I ride English bicycles, that are equipped with a 3 speed English hub developed late in the century before last. 3 in one oil, in the red and white can has been around almost since then, and users of the Sturmey Archer hubs for the past 100 plus years have been discovering all along it is an inadequate lubricant for those hubs. When Sturmey Archer was an English company, they noted this in the lubrication instructions. Three in one, in the red can, is a blend of petroleum oil and citronella, which breaks down in short order.
I am told three in one oil, in the blue and white can, is an actual 10 weight oil, and will work well in the hubs. But, I blend my own oil for my hubs, a 50/50 mix of synthetic 5W20 motor oil, and ATF. Most of my hubs are the 5 speed version, and utilize hybrid lube of synthetic grease on bearings and oil on the internals.
What do 3 speed hubs and guns have in common? Just this. A requirement for top quality lubrication, replenished as needed, and cleaned out, and relubed, regularly, as needed.

Best,
Ted
Posted By: King Brown Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/27/20 07:30 PM
3-in-1 and motor-oil on saturated rag, common inexpensive protectants, have kept my guns free of rust for nearly 80 years gunning mostly from salt-water coastal blinds. Only other requirement is to clean them at end of the hunt before you kiss your wife or have a drink.
Posted By: FlyChamps Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/27/20 10:32 PM
[/quote]While instinctively I agree with you on Vaseline, I went back over the Purdey website Because old Purdey manuals actually recommended Vaseline on the locks. I suspect at one time Vaseline was defaulted to as it was easily available and much of the better things we have today did not exist. I went back to the 1929 Purdey instructions state “slightly greased-we prefer Vaseline for this purpose.” I found buried within a current video on Purdey’s website a Purdey employee still recommending a 3-in-1 oil Vaseline mix for action parts.

Why would “slightly greased” with Vaseline be bad?

What specific lubricant would you suggest on a SLE’s locks and why? [/quote]

Purdey still recommends Vaseline or a 3-in-1 oil Vaseline mix. Several years ago at the Southern SxS I saw a jar of Vaseline and asked the vendor if that is what they recommended - he said yes, that was what all of their gunsmiths used - it was Trigger (Alborough Tregear) the managing director of Westley Richards.

If Vaseline is good enough for Purdey and Westley Richards it's good enough for me.
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/27/20 11:10 PM
Originally Posted By: FlyChamps
[/quote]While instinctively I agree with you on Vaseline, I went back over the Purdey website Because old Purdey manuals actually recommended Vaseline on the locks. I suspect at one time Vaseline was defaulted to as it was easily available and much of the better things we have today did not exist. I went back to the 1929 Purdey instructions state “slightly greased-we prefer Vaseline for this purpose.” I found buried within a current video on Purdey’s website a Purdey employee still recommending a 3-in-1 oil Vaseline mix for action parts.

Why would “slightly greased” with Vaseline be bad?

What specific lubricant would you suggest on a SLE’s locks and why?


Purdey still recommends Vaseline or a 3-in-1 oil Vaseline mix. Several years ago at the Southern SxS I saw a jar of Vaseline and asked the vendor if that is what they recommended - he said yes, that was what all of their gunsmiths used - it was Trigger (Alborough Tregear) the managing director of Westley Richards.

If Vaseline is good enough for Purdey and Westley Richards it's good enough for me. [/quote]

I looked and couldn’t find anywhere on the Purdey website where they believed you (or, I) should have anything to do with servicing their guns. Much less, what lube you should use.

Just sayin.

https://www.purdey.com/gun-services/servicing

Best,
Ted
Posted By: Bluestem Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/27/20 11:48 PM
I used liquid Frog Lube on a Colt 1911 and it worked okay when I shot it regularly. However, the pistol would not run when I tried shooting it after a couple months of storage. The Frog Lube had turned waxy and slowed the slide travel. The Frog Lube fanboys will say that I used too much, or not enough, or it wasn't applied on a warm gun - none of which were true. I no longer use it on firearms and what I have left goes on knife blades in storage. It turns waxy on them, too, but I clean the lube off before use. IMHO, there are way better products out there.
Posted By: old colonel Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/27/20 11:55 PM
Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein
Originally Posted By: FlyChamps
While instinctively I agree with you on Vaseline, I went back over the Purdey website Because old Purdey manuals actually recommended Vaseline on the locks. I suspect at one time Vaseline was defaulted to as it was easily available and much of the better things we have today did not exist. I went back to the 1929 Purdey instructions state “slightly greased-we prefer Vaseline for this purpose.” I found buried within a current video on Purdey’s website a Purdey employee still recommending a 3-in-1 oil Vaseline mix for action parts.

Why would “slightly greased” with Vaseline be bad?

What specific lubricant would you suggest on a SLE’s locks and why?


Purdey still recommends Vaseline or a 3-in-1 oil Vaseline mix. Several years ago at the Southern SxS I saw a jar of Vaseline and asked the vendor if that is what they recommended - he said yes, that was what all of their gunsmiths used - it was Trigger (Alborough Tregear) the managing director of Westley Richards.

If Vaseline is good enough for Purdey and Westley Richards it's good enough for me. [/quote]

I looked and couldn’t find anywhere on the Purdey website where they believed you (or, I) should have anything to do with servicing their guns. Much less, what lube you should use.

Just sayin.

https://www.purdey.com/gun-services/servicing

Best,
Ted [/quote]
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I found it. At https://www.purdey.com/gun-services/gun-care-video-series

It is stated in the video on action cleaning by a Purdey employee. Same vid is also at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_f6Y-5yHJY

It is also stated in Tom Purdey’s book the shotgun, p 122 & 129

Lastly in my reprint of the 1929 Purdey Instruction manual p20

I am not disagreeing with the idea Vaseline is a poor choice due to its low melting point. Something many before like you have noted like both Vicknair & Greenwood.
Posted By: old colonel Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/28/20 12:37 AM
Originally Posted By: old colonel

What specific lubricant would you suggest on a SLE’s locks and why?


In answer to my earlier question the solution for the locks might be slightly greased with Lubriplate “SFL” NLGI #0 grease. From another website “ It is white, aluminum-based, low odor, has superb boundary lubricants, and is designed specifically for use in environments that encounter a huge temperature range. It’s also resistant to water washout and acid/alkali environments, has great shear resistance, and doesn’t oxidize like lithium greases will.”

On the hinge pin a specific hinge pin lube I.e. “Owens” or Mobile One synthetic grease
Posted By: Replacement Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/28/20 12:55 AM
My recollection is that Parker Bros recommended Vaseline and 3-in-1 for their guns, and LC Smith recommended Singer Sewing Machine oil. I use Mobil 1 for grease points, or lithium grease if the Mobil is not handy. Bores and exterior metal get Rem Oil or CLP. The best lube is going to be the one that you actually use regularly, whatever it is.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/28/20 01:14 AM
Bertuzzi is so sexy they recommend KY.


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Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/28/20 02:37 AM
Originally Posted By: lonesome roads
Bertuzzi is so sexy they recommend KY.


_________________________
Ali di Gabbiano


When in Rome....


Best,
Ted

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Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/28/20 02:40 AM
Our hero in the Purdey video clearly noted that a waterproof grease was an option.
He also clearly mentioned gun oil, and used same on the O/U and the SXS.

Like Axel Rose always said, “ Take it for what it is”.

Best,
Ted
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=08YDuzJy-Zo
Posted By: old colonel Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/28/20 04:01 AM
Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein
Our hero in the Purdey video clearly noted that a waterproof grease was an option.
He also clearly mentioned gun oil, and used same on the O/U and the SXS.

Like Axel Rose always said, “ Take it for what it is”.

Best,
Ted
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=08YDuzJy-Zo



You are correct he noted those options along him specifically saying Vaseline mixed with 3 in 1 for some interior action parts which was my point that they still recommended it as an option and have recommended it for over 100 years.

My take away is simple, like you I believe better stuff is available and preferable today. At the same time if one does not have the better grease to use, the Vaseline by itself or cut with 3 in 1 option “slightly” applied to the locks would work as it has for a hundred years. If used slightly and not slubbered about it is unlikely to cause an issue.

I use Ed’s Red or Hoppe’s for bore cleaner, Eezox to oil the metal surfaces, Owens hinge lube, and have used a slight coat of Vaseline on the inside of the locks, and REN Wax around the metal to wood seams. Other lubricant choices can work just as well and in the case of the Vaseline better.

Most lubricant problems come from too much use or no use.

Ultimately within reason what lubricant used is not the critical factor, simply doing the actual cleaning and lubricating is the important thing.
Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/28/20 11:14 AM
The side of me that deals with lubricating, and trying to reduce the wear of, parts in machainery and equipment that runs in dust and dirt most of the time causes me to wonder about something concerning guns.

It is my contention, after 48 years in the fields, that most wear between metal and metal surfaces comes from dust and dirt becoming introduced to the lubricant. Roller chains that are exposed, as most are, are especially vulnerable to such contamination. Oil the chains in the morning and by lunch you have a very nice grinding compound running in the rollers, on the pins and wearing away the sprockets. Keep the dirt out of it and the life and service of parts is exponentially extended.

With that in mind, many years ago I began using a moly/graphite aerosol spray, for my roller chains, that has a very thin carrier which allows the graphite blend to get down inside the rollers. It dries almost immediately, leaving a clinging coat of a slippery, but dry lubricant. It has worked wonders to extend the life of chains, and some other areas uniquely suited to a dry lube.

My hinge pins on my doubles seem to attract the most dirt of any metal-to-metal contact area of the guns. So, my question would be, to some of you engineering inclined gents, would the lubricating properties of a moly-graphite blend be suited to the stresses that the hinge pin undergoes and, if so, why wouldn't the product be well suited for our doublegun hinge pins?

Here's my favorite of this kind of product ....... the specs can be called up for it, at the bottom of the page, for someone with the ability to interpret them to our gun language.

https://www.kimballmidwest.com/80771
Posted By: craigd Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/28/20 11:53 AM
A while ago, I started using TW25B on what I thought were tough, high wear situations, many rounds through semi auto pistols, and it has slowly taken over for almost everything. I use it very sparingly, it never gums up over time or in cold temps. In very dusty conditions, I would call extreme, I clean up traces of grit, not any where near what I came to expect with conventional greases. There's no panacea, but I've come to use it with predictability and high confidence.
Posted By: fallschirmjaeger Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/28/20 03:10 PM
I've used Froglube. It is not a very good lubricant, but it does work quite well as a rust preventative. I would never use it on internal parts as it certainly does harden. I've used it on sheathed carbon steel blades and on the exterior of guns that see the rain. It also seems to work pretty well for long term storage protection. That said, I probably won't be buying more.
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/28/20 07:53 PM
Doesn’t appear to be an EP lube, Stan. Chuck might weigh in on this, but, after any clearance in the locking mechanism is taken up, at the shot, the hinge pin is going to be rapidly stress loaded, and unloaded, in a few fractions of a second. I can’t think of a better place for an EP lube, off the top of my head.

I beg to differ just a bit, but, the majority of wear I have seen on good double guns is from a combination of using hot ammunition, and a degree of neglect with same. Ammunition outside of spec for a double gun has eaten up bunches of them. I believe hot ammunition is far enough up the list that even guns proofed for the really big stuff have their working life shortened considerably using it. The second most common killer of good doubles, is gunsmiths who really aren’t.

My opinion only.

Maybe worth noting, regarding English gunmakers who have used the same combination of obsolete lubricants for a 100 or more years, is to keep in mind those same gunmakers had to be dragged, kicking and screaming, to produce breech loading guns, central fire cartridge guns, hammerless guns, steel barreled guns, and every other improvement that the market proved worthwhile. You could wax poetically that they were hidebound, or just tell the truth, that they were pigheaded, and too cheap to invest in new materials and methods, and resistant to change.

Innovation is notably lacking in the trade. Lubricants may be the most dramatically improved field of many in the last hundred plus years, but, you wouldn’t know that by what the builders of fine guns continue to demonstrate.

Best,
Ted
Posted By: arrieta2 Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/28/20 08:05 PM
I came down from a very rural area in Pa. In the mountains, pretty much anything went.

The old farmers used plain old goose grease for their guns and farm implements. They would swear by it. Back then, not much of the super lubes around then. They all though it was great, seem to work for them. They learned this from their fathers and grandfathers. I guess they just passed it from generation to generation.

Things were different then.

John Boyd

Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/28/20 11:15 PM
Thank, Ted. I guess there's a lot of difference in the needs of a hinge pin, afa lubrication goes, and roller chains.

I'm no engineer. I just quit with things that don't work and settle on things that do. Never tried moly/graphite on hinge pins, but it sure would be nice to have a lube that dried and didn't attract grit like iron filings to a lodestone.

SRH
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/29/20 03:15 AM
I’ve used chain wax for motorcycle chains, Stan, for much the same reason. It dries after it penetrates the links. Motorcycle chains are messy no matter what, but,the wax cuts down on the mess, considerably.

The nature of removing spent shells, and reloading new ones, either with or without ejectors, is always going to dump leftover crud from the shell into the area of the action flats. People refer to this crud, often enough, as “unburnt powder”,
which, it isn’t-it is mostly carbonous remains of burnt powder, and carries all the same negative characteristics as carbon in an engine. Hard, abrasive, and unwanted in the works.

A gun is easier to clean then an engine, I guess. Cleaning is important, and better lubes will do a better job of holding contaminants in suspension, and allowing less wear than lower grade lubricants.

SA grade motor oils of 75 years ago, can’t and don’t hold a candle to modern oil. The comparison applies across the spectrum of lubricants.

Best,
Ted
Posted By: Wonko the Sane Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/29/20 03:35 AM
I would tell y'all about LSA Weapons Oil but you can look it up. Has kept US military arms functioning since 'Nam. IMO there is nothing better at any price and this stuff is dirt cheap and US petroleum tech in action.

Dr.WtS
Posted By: craigd Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/29/20 12:44 PM
Doc Sane, I don't doubt it was used successfully by the ton, but tech in action? Todays synthetics allow much tighter tolerances and extreme working ranges for any number of consumer products that conventional petroleum products can't stand up to?
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/29/20 02:26 PM
Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein
Motorcycle chains are messy no matter what, but,the wax cuts down on the mess, considerably.


Best,
Ted


Moto Guzzi uses a clean, practically maintenance free shaft so you don’t show up to the event like some dirty, grease spattered hoon.


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(just because...Death to Starlings!)
Posted By: old colonel Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/29/20 03:07 PM
Originally Posted By: Wonko the Sane
I would tell y'all about LSA Weapons Oil but you can look it up. Has kept US military arms functioning since 'Nam. IMO there is nothing better at any price and this stuff is dirt cheap and US petroleum tech in action.

Dr.WtS


Used it decades ago as I got it by the case free, when they started issuing CLP I stopped as the CLP was better. LSA works and is cheap, but why use the stuff that just works instead of the best on a best gun. Vaseline can work as does 3 in 1 but Same reason to go to EP lubricants on hinge pins and locks as appropriate.
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/29/20 04:35 PM
Originally Posted By: lonesome roads
Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein
Motorcycle chains are messy no matter what, but,the wax cuts down on the mess, considerably.


Best,
Ted


Moto Guzzi uses a clean, practically maintenance free shaft so you don’t show up to the event like some dirty, grease spattered hoon.


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(just because...Death to Starlings!)



Low performance bikes are for low performance minds.


Best,
Ted


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Posted By: lonesome roads Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/29/20 05:05 PM
Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein

Low performance bikes are for low performance minds.


Best,
Ted


It’s a wonder that I remember to breathe when I’m on the Super Cub.


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Posted By: Wonko the Sane Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/29/20 09:54 PM
I'm talking about the old product - - not with the CLP which I think is a strange thing to dump into a lube. And y'all might want to check out what all is in the old stuff as it isn't just oil. My Perazzis and Berettas since coming to me have had nothing else and are for all intents wear-free with tens of thousands of rounds thru them over the years.
BTW, Perazzi branded grease (which incidentally looks exactly like Campagnolo grease differing only by the name on the tube) appears to be some white lithium kinda stuff. I'm thinking Italians lack that vaseline enthusiasm in an official way.

Dr.WtS
Posted By: craigd Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/29/20 11:02 PM
I know folks are not likely to run their target guns in cold weather, but there is even a .mil recommendation to use an alternate lube at 10* or lower. It definitely matters to some folks that a gun work smooth and reliably when it gets chilly out, but also for the lube to perform as far as wear and protection go. That limited temperature range may indicate that it’s not able to be all that it can be?

I had no idea there is or was an LSA-T, for Teflon, who knows, maybe even better.
Posted By: BrentD, Prof Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/30/20 01:12 AM
I'm still using NAPA automatic transmission fluid for my rifles and shotguns. Still not disappointed either. Given that I shoot blackpowder almost exclusively in rifles, and often in shotguns, I guess that's worth noting here in super-sodden Iowa.
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/30/20 02:25 AM
Originally Posted By: lonesome roads
Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein

Low performance bikes are for low performance minds.


Best,
Ted


It’s a wonder that I remember to breathe when I’m on the Super Cub.


_________________________
Huh?


Well....yea.

Best,
Ted

____________________________________

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Posted By: keith Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/30/20 05:39 AM
Originally Posted By: old colonel
Originally Posted By: Wonko the Sane
I would tell y'all about LSA Weapons Oil but you can look it up. Has kept US military arms functioning since 'Nam. IMO there is nothing better at any price and this stuff is dirt cheap and US petroleum tech in action.

Dr.WtS


Used it decades ago as I got it by the case free, when they started issuing CLP I stopped as the CLP was better. LSA works and is cheap, but why use the stuff that just works instead of the best on a best gun. Vaseline can work as does 3 in 1 but Same reason to go to EP lubricants on hinge pins and locks as appropriate.


I did not know that the U.S. Military was in the habit of giving away "FREE" CASES of Government Issue Bore Cleaner and Lube for personal use.

Sounds something like perhaps a larcenous abuse and misuse of our tax dollars by a holier-than-thou little worm. I also wonder if it was limited to "free" cases of bore cleaner? Just my inquisitive opinion... as always.
Posted By: nca225 Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/30/20 12:54 PM
Originally Posted By: keith

I did not know that the U.S. Military was in the habit of giving away "FREE" CASES of Government Issue Bore Cleaner and Lube for personal use.

Sounds something like perhaps a larcenous abuse and misuse of our tax dollars by a holier-than-thou little worm. I also wonder if it was limited to "free" cases of bore cleaner? Just my inquisitive opinion... as always.


Well princess Karen, don’t you think you should be the last person around here to talk about possessing stolen property? How many pilfered guns from European Jews did you get your hands on from your old buddy Gene the Nazi?

You seem to forget some of the most fundamental lessons of Jesus, seeing how you claim to be a Christian, you know, like the one about throwing stones....
Posted By: Replacement Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/30/20 03:26 PM
And they are off...
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/30/20 03:30 PM
Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein
Originally Posted By: lonesome roads
Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein

Low performance bikes are for low performance minds.


Best,
Ted


It’s a wonder that I remember to breathe when I’m on the Super Cub.


_________________________
Huh?


Well....yea.

Best,
Ted

____________________________________

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Just breathe...

https://youtu.be/NunNe-8MtXI


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Posted By: SKB Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/30/20 03:35 PM
Throwing Stones, one of the best line ups too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq_QyAOa97o
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/30/20 03:54 PM
Originally Posted By: lonesome roads
Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein
Originally Posted By: lonesome roads
Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein

Low performance bikes are for low performance minds.


Best,
Ted


It’s a wonder that I remember to breathe when I’m on the Super Cub.


_________________________
Huh?


Well....yea.

Best,
Ted

____________________________________

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_outlaw_motorcycle_clubs


Just breathe...

https://youtu.be/NunNe-8MtXI


___________________________
http://www.worldbadminton.com/whereToPlay/unitedStates/


Breath like it interests you:



Built for the fun of it.

Best,
Ted

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Try to do it without the drool, tho....
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/30/20 04:25 PM
Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein
Breath like it interests you:


Oh, I do...at least 3 or 4 times a week.
What can I say? I’m getting old.


___________________________
Leaned into Anna...said what about it?
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Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 07/30/20 05:47 PM
Originally Posted By: lonesome roads
Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein
Breath like it interests you:


Oh, I do...at least 3 or 4 times a week.
What can I say? I’m getting old.


___________________________
Leaned into Anna...said what about it?
https://youtu.be/39Fcqws_B1s



I don’t feel old until I get off of it.

You guys running ‘Nam era freebie lube might want to pony up for some of this when the time comes that you run out, or, it turns to varnish. The people who build Kolar guns think highly of it:

http://www.cmdlubeoil.com/

Tip of the hat to the gentleman from Louisiana.

Best,
Ted

________________________________________
If we are throwing back....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zmxSMIN3-WI

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NnKM9XApswI
Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/03/20 01:10 AM
Originally Posted By: old colonel
Originally Posted By: Wonko the Sane
I would tell y'all about LSA Weapons Oil but you can look it up. Has kept US military arms functioning since 'Nam. IMO there is nothing better at any price and this stuff is dirt cheap and US petroleum tech in action.

Dr.WtS


Used it decades ago as I got it by the case free, when they started issuing CLP I stopped as the CLP was better. LSA works and is cheap, but why use the stuff that just works instead of the best on a best gun. Vaseline can work as does 3 in 1 but Same reason to go to EP lubricants on hinge pins and locks as appropriate.


How about it, O.C.? Care to answer keith about how you got the cases of bore cleaner free? Certainly it wasn't from the military.????

SRH
Posted By: Hal Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/03/20 08:54 PM
Just bought a new can of Fluid Film this morning. Many uses around the farm and I clean shotgun bores as well as wipe guns down with it. Solvent-free, lanolin based. Developed during WWII. I have to go to John Deere dealer to get it. Anyone else use it?
Posted By: Cold Iron Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/03/20 10:23 PM
Originally Posted By: Hal
Just bought a new can of Fluid Film this morning. Many uses around the farm and I clean shotgun bores as well as wipe guns down with it. Solvent-free, lanolin based. Developed during WWII. I have to go to John Deere dealer to get it. Anyone else use it?


Use to use FF on the frame of my truck each fall takes 4 cans to coat it. Common for Ford and Toyota owners to use it to help with the frame rot in the salt belt. Couple of years ago switched to a Canadian Snake Oil. Find out soon if it worked or not just got the 7 year recall for frame inspection and replacement if needed. Toyota, Ford you are on your own. FF is sticky (why it is sprayed on frames) and attracts dirt it would not be my first choice for a lubricant.

Giacomo Arrighini the famed Perazzi gunsmith that came over from Italy in the early 70's to work at the Ithaca factory on Perazzi's swears by Triflow. And it is what I use. His SIL has taken over the business now and IIRC he recommends Slip 2000. Neither of them use grease no what the guys in Italy say. Either way I feel it is most important to keep it clean. Wipe the old off, whatever you use, and apply new often.

I use Triflow on my guns can get it at most bicycle shops because many of the bike racers use it on their chains. I was introduced to it in the yards in Washington State in the late 70's. Trying to break free a bolt on a steam pipe flange and had drenched it in Monkey Piss. The penetrating oil the government provides you in a green can made by the lowest bidder and is worthless. A sandcrab seen me struggling with it and he walked over and gave the bolt and nut a shot of Triflow and said try it now. Almost killed myself when I hit the slugging wrench with the sledge hammer and the wrench spun all the way around and came close to hitting me. Lubricant or penetrating oil I have been a big fan of Triflow since.

One way to turn a Benelli duck gun into a single shot in really cold weather is to use Rem Oil. Never had a problem with Triflow in the cold. No matter how cold, on any of my guns.
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/03/20 11:43 PM
Benelli’s are mostly single shots in my world, all four seasons.

Best,
Ted
Posted By: Cold Iron Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/04/20 01:00 AM
When I first moved to Mn. bit more than 20 years ago looked for a skeet field and found one in Winona over by the River. Met Dave Erickson back then there for the first time. Sometimes we would be the only 2 shooting and would discuss with each other for the next week to make sure we had someone to pull for the other.

Right before hunting season opened pulled in one evening and the place was packed with pickups mainly with Wi. plates. Couldn't even find an open space on a rack to park my gun and noticed every gun was a Benelli. I said out loud what is up with all the Benelli's? They looked at me like I had 3 eyes and finally one guy said because anything else in the duck blind eventually becomes a single shot around here. They all laughed in agreement. They were all duck hunters tuning up for the season. Most only shot a round or at most 2. Quite a few of them ran the field.

Most those guns were pretty beat up. But they all worked flawlessly. Although today there are a few others out there that can give them a run for the money. My main waterfowl gun always has been an Ithaca 37. My BUL and Cordoba always seem to go bang when I pull the trigger too though.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/04/20 01:09 AM
Cold Iron,

Don’t ever ride an old Honda.

You’ll end up in a ditch. (along with the fat chick that was on the back)

https://youtu.be/lOTEErZXvAo


___________________________
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Posted By: BrentD, Prof Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/04/20 01:11 AM
Cold Iron,
I have used Tri Flow for guns and Tri Flow for bicycle chains. The latter just yesterday. But I am doubtful they are the same thing or maybe their formula changed over the years. Both had teflon, but the former was suspended in oil I believe, while the latter is some other milky fluid that evaporates quickly leaving just the teflon behind - which has a lot of bike chain advantages. My Tri Flow bottle that I used for guns is still around, but I have refilled it many times over with NAPA ATF instead.

Anyway, there may be more than one version of it out there.
Posted By: Shotgunjones Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/04/20 01:19 AM
A Benelli needs two, and only two, things to run 100%.

1. A shell with enough oomph to compress the inertia spring.

2. A drop of light oil between the bolt body and the rotating bolt head.

And that's it.

It is, truly, the most reliable auto ever made.
Posted By: DoubleTake Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/04/20 01:32 AM
Originally Posted By: Cold Iron
When I first moved to Mn. bit more than 20 years ago looked for a skeet field and found one in Winona over by the River. Met Dave Erickson back then there for the first time. Sometimes we would be the only 2 shooting and would discuss with each other for the next week to make sure we had someone to pull for the other.

Right before hunting season opened pulled in one evening and the place was packed with pickups mainly with Wi. plates. Couldn't even find an open space on a rack to park my gun and noticed every gun was a Benelli. I said out loud what is up with all the Benelli's? They looked at me like I had 3 eyes and finally one guy said because anything else in the duck blind eventually becomes a single shot around here. They all laughed in agreement. They were all duck hunters tuning up for the season. Most only shot a round or at most 2. Quite a few of them ran the field.

Most those guns were pretty beat up. But they all worked flawlessly. Although today there are a few others out there that can give them a run for the money. My main waterfowl gun always has been an Ithaca 37. My BUL and Cordoba always seem to go bang when I pull the trigger too though.



Lol, I remember that night!
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/04/20 01:35 AM
Originally Posted By: Shotgunjones
A Benelli needs two, and only two, things to run 100%.

1. A shell with enough oomph to compress the inertia spring.

2. A drop of light oil between the bolt body and the rotating bolt head.

And that's it.

It is, truly, the most reliable auto ever made.


I’ve got one that doesn’t. Heckler and Koch and Benelli USA both threw in the towel trying to fix it. Fails to return to battery. They didn’t refund anything, or suggest I try something else, just told me it didn’t work and they were all done with it.

If you have one that works, more power to you. But, not all of them do. Not by a long shot.

I ‘sorta gave up. Know a few other guys who feel the same way. Ask Dustin about his.

Best,
Ted
Posted By: Shotgunjones Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/04/20 01:56 AM
I have 2 that work fine Ted, and I know of many others that do.

My 12 ga. is also an early H&K import and has quite a few flats of shells through it including a bunch of steel.

By 'not returning to battery' what does the malfunction look like?

If the action is all the way closed except for the final rotation of the bolt that's where the drop of oil part comes into play. That's the most common malfunction.

If these get wet, sometimes the stock needs to be pulled and the action return spring cleaned and lubed. The tube that spring runs in can become corroded. That's an easy fix too, the stock comes off easily.

The worst part of the design is the way the trigger assembly pin is held in place. There's a half moon pin/clip thing that hangs around the tube the trigger assembly pin goes through. That half moon (for lack of a better name) clip is easily lost. Then the pin falls out followed by the trigger assembly. Most inconvenient.

Benelli USA was kind enough to send me a replacement and a spare when my trigger fell out on the skeet field. Once you know to watch out for that when you remove the trigger for maintenance it's no big deal, but it's a mickey mouse feature on an otherwise excellent design and I'm surprised to find such a thing on a military derived sporting gun.

You're a smart guy, Ted.... Get the thing to run.

I bet you can.
Posted By: Cold Iron Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/04/20 02:12 AM
Originally Posted By: Dave Erickson
Originally Posted By: Cold Iron
When I first moved to Mn. bit more than 20 years ago looked for a skeet field and found one in Winona over by the River. Met Dave Erickson back then there for the first time. Sometimes we would be the only 2 shooting and would discuss with each other for the next week to make sure we had someone to pull for the other.

Right before hunting season opened pulled in one evening and the place was packed with pickups mainly with Wi. plates. Couldn't even find an open space on a rack to park my gun and noticed every gun was a Benelli. I said out loud what is up with all the Benelli's? They looked at me like I had 3 eyes and finally one guy said because anything else in the duck blind eventually becomes a single shot around here. They all laughed in agreement. They were all duck hunters tuning up for the season. Most only shot a round or at most 2. Quite a few of them ran the field.

Most those guns were pretty beat up. But they all worked flawlessly. Although today there are a few others out there that can give them a run for the money. My main waterfowl gun always has been an Ithaca 37. My BUL and Cordoba always seem to go bang when I pull the trigger too though.



Lol, I remember that night!


Considering how you shot your BSS yesterday in Super Sporting and 5 stand I think the ducks are in big trouble on the River this year! You're shooting that thing well, extremely well Dave.
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/04/20 02:19 AM
Gun fires, bolt goes home, stops before being rotated and locked. No amount of oil changes it. Way more than half of the time.

The spring has been out (not sure I would refer to a spring that requires a torch to take it down the first time as “easy to work on”, but, whatever) and it wasn’t rusty. Not even that dirty. The gun was only fired intermittently during the time my Dad owned it.

The problem seems to be in the bolt. But, I don’t really have any love for it, glossy stock finish, plastic bird emblem puking on the grip cap, and hot blue and black aluminum anodizing not being what floats my boat. The right guy is going to get it for nothing from me someday, but, I can’t decide who I dislike that much.

Best,
Ted
__________________________________________
Besides, the A5 has never acted up.
Posted By: old colonel Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/04/20 02:26 AM
Originally Posted By: Stan
Originally Posted By: old colonel
Originally Posted By: Wonko the Sane
I would tell y'all about LSA Weapons Oil but you can look it up. Has kept US military arms functioning since 'Nam. IMO there is nothing better at any price and this stuff is dirt cheap and US petroleum tech in action.

Dr.WtS


Used it decades ago as I got it by the case free, when they started issuing CLP I stopped as the CLP was better. LSA works and is cheap, but why use the stuff that just works instead of the best on a best gun. Vaseline can work as does 3 in 1 but Same reason to go to EP lubricants on hinge pins and locks as appropriate.


How about it, O.C.? Care to answer keith about how you got the cases of bore cleaner free? Certainly it wasn't from the military.????

SRH


Answer Keith not much point in that, Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense,

However, Stan, in reply to you and your question.

Poor choice of words or phrase in my original post which were misconstrued. No, I never took cases of LSA or CLP home. Anyone who has used LSA would know no one would want a full case for their personal use.

You mentioned bore cleaner. I never said anything about bore cleaner. And No, I never took cases of bore cleaner home either. I have always been a Hoppes or Ed’s Red guy.

On the LSA-lubricant, when I was in Alaska they used to hand out cases of it after every range day and field training . If you have been in a barracks cleaning weapons you will recognize my choice of words and situation. I know my work wall locker and office desk was full of stuff. My Rucksack cleaning kit had a small bottle. My poor choice of words being misconstrued to mean more than I meant.

I found the LSA worked but was not that great. It was not my go to lubricant at home. At work, it was when I did not use WD-40 (which I preferred when I finally got a .45). LSA typically was sluggish and separated. In sub zero cold weather LSA was a challenge when it built up in a weapon. Bottom line in an arctic a weapon dry of oil build-up is better, you only use the LSA to put it away in the arms room then wipe as much as you can off when you draw it out.

Did I ever use it on my personal arms, maybe, it was in my rucksack cleaning kit, but I could neither swear I did or did not, without question never by the case. I know in Alaska my normal shotgun cleaning was Hoppes and a spray can of WD-40. When I was kid I know I used LSA when cleaning my older brother’s .45, where he got it I don’t know.

After Alaska when at Fort Riley we started getting CLP. Yes, we did hand out CLP in the barracks by the case for weapons cleaning. I liked CLP and I brought commercially in Aerosol Spray cans for years, until I switched to Eesox. And no the Army CLP did not come in Aerosol cans.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/04/20 02:41 AM
Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein
The right guy is going to get it for nothing from me someday, but, I can’t decide who I dislike that much.


Got any old Hondas in the barn?


__________________________
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Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/04/20 02:45 AM
Originally Posted By: lonesome roads
Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein
The right guy is going to get it for nothing from me someday, but, I can’t decide who I dislike that much.


Got any old Hondas in the barn?


__________________________
I’m just laid up here (Detroit) in a country state of mind.
https://youtu.be/eoCrDXuEDUY


Just an FJ, just ordered a new voltage regulator for it. Been popping light bulbs when I hit 100. Easy fix.
Hard habit to break though.

Best,
Ted

_________________________________________
I get worried when you post in a lube topic.
Posted By: Shotgunjones Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/04/20 02:55 AM
Only other suggestion on the Benelli would be to make sure the extractor moves freely and isn't stopping the bolt by hitting the shell head and not riding over the rim like it should.

Sorry to hear of your disgust, but guess I understand.

They have made some tacky looking models.
Posted By: lonesome roads Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/04/20 02:58 AM
Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein
________________________________________
I get worried when you post in a lube topic.


No worries. Don’t have Bertuzzi money yet. Getting close though.
Made bank today.
America been berry, berry good to me.


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Posted By: Replacement Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/04/20 04:26 AM
I had an early Browning Gold, bought new, that wouldn’t run even after multiple warranty services. So I bought a used H&K-era Super Black Eagle to replace it. The SBE is butt ugly and balances like a fence post but I have shot it for almost twenty years without a single jamb or malfunction or FTF. When it gets muddy, I just hose it off, run a hair dryer to heat all the metal bits, squirt some Rem Oil, and it’s good to go. One of my buddies has an M2 (I think) that always gives him trouble.
Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/04/20 09:55 AM
Originally Posted By: Shotgunjones
That half moon (for lack of a better name) clip is easily lost.


That type key is properly called a Woodruff key. Wonderful little things that are most often used on tapered shafts and mating hubs. Not sure why Benelli would have used one, not being a Benelli owner. Because of their design they do, however, make assembly of some mating parts much easier, as the design allows for the key to be "tipped down" on the end accepting the hub or other part, then rotate into perfect alignment as the part is pressed onto the shaft fully.

And, thanks for the clarification, OC. Well done. It was the "free" part that seemed odd. Best to you.

SRH
Posted By: Shotgunjones Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/04/20 01:29 PM
It's not a key Stan.

Part #17 on this diagram from Brownell's.

https://www.brownells.com/schematics/benelli-u-s-a-/m2-trigger-assembly-sid913.aspx

It's made of wire.

Apparently, some models have a snap ring there instead.

Posted By: Cold Iron Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/04/20 04:15 PM
Originally Posted By: BrentD
Cold Iron,
I have used Tri Flow for guns and Tri Flow for bicycle chains. The latter just yesterday. But I am doubtful they are the same thing or maybe their formula changed over the years. Both had teflon, but the former was suspended in oil I believe, while the latter is some other milky fluid that evaporates quickly leaving just the teflon behind - which has a lot of bike chain advantages. My Tri Flow bottle that I used for guns is still around, but I have refilled it many times over with NAPA ATF instead.

Anyway, there may be more than one version of it out there.


There is a new version of it out there for those that want to be "green" and less toxic based on soy instead of mineral oil. Never used it and have no plans to I'll stick with the original. Was bad enough when they decided to jump on the CFC bandwagon to save the hole in the ozone layer years ago. It used to have a really strong banana smell, I kind of liked it. Now it is more of a hint of banana since they changed the formula to save the world. yes they do make multiple products.



I use the spray most often but on the Benelli's and pumps more times than not the drip bottle for spot applications. Like Shotgunjones said you only want a small amount on the rails of a Benelli. And really like their grease for choke tube threads. At one time I used anti seize on choke tube threads, used to go through 5 lb. buckets of it in the engineeroom on ships. But is a mess to deal with and the synthetic grease is just as effective but a lot easier to deal with. Although the older I get the more I hate choke tubes in general.

I also use ATF but only for cleaning my guns in a modified version of Eds Red mixed with Acetone. Sperm whale oil seems to be in short supply as of late and Type 3 ATF is a good substitute for it.

A lot of our pumps and turbines used Woodruff keys in the engine room...
Posted By: BrentD, Prof Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/04/20 05:22 PM
This is what I use, but one of them, only on bike chains


Posted By: old colonel Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/04/20 05:30 PM
Originally Posted By: Stan
Originally Posted By: Shotgunjones
That half moon (for lack of a better name) clip is easily lost.


That type key is properly called a Woodruff key. Wonderful little things that are most often used on tapered shafts and mating hubs. Not sure why Benelli would have used one, not being a Benelli owner. Because of their design they do, however, make assembly of some mating parts much easier, as the design allows for the key to be "tipped down" on the end accepting the hub or other part, then rotate into perfect alignment as the part is pressed onto the shaft fully.

And, thanks for the clarification, OC. Well done. It was the "free" part that seemed odd. Best to you.

SRH


At the same time we were getting LSA by the case free we were not getting bore solvent or WD 40. Many guys to include me bought those from home. Some guys were using gum out and other carb cleaners for carbon build up which stripped the finish off gun’s and we had to clamp down on that. The only solvent I was seeing at the time was the stuff the motor pool used in the parts cleaner vats.

Things change over time and by unit, but you tend remember shortages and ridiculous abundance. Similar to the huge quantity of Perrier Water we had available to us in Desert Storm, the only problem being they were glass bottles and all the cardboard boxes seemed to be water damaged.
Posted By: Hal Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/04/20 07:59 PM
I think Jones is correct. I knew two guys that worked Animal Damage Control for USDA and hazed blackbirds out of sunflower fields day after day from aircraft. They shot cases of shells weekly. They took their Benelli's apart, dumped them in barrels of gasoline, and reassembled them the next day. Never a problem with either gun. But personally I wouldn't be caught dead using one of those machine guns on game. Going to buy some Tri Flow and give it a try....will it hurt wood?
Posted By: Shotgunjones Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/04/20 08:43 PM
It's not the gun that makes the sportsman Hal.

The Brits generally consider repeating shotguns an abomination and game destroyers, yet they have no problem with a man using a pair of classics with an assistant to keep up a high rate of fire.

Done skillfully, that's faster than I can shove shells in a Benelli playing a 'flurry' game at clay targets.

I like automatic shotguns of all designs. They are as much the history of this sport as any other type.

Do they represent 'progress'? Matter of opinion. They are fun to shoot, and the better ones have dynamics that facilitate good results in the field and on the clays courses.

Problem is, I like them all. I'm just happy pulling a trigger... or two triggers as the case may be.

Posted By: Hal Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/05/20 03:34 AM
Yep mostly personal taste. I had good results with a klunky military (parkerized) Savage copy of the Model 11 Remington with a Cutt's Compensator. Drew it out of Special Services on weekends and ended up winning the Quantico skeet championship with it in 1956. Never did get used to the debris blowing back in my face however. My dad and his two buddies traded in their doubles and bought Rem. 11's before WWI. He always talked about the time they killed 15 canvasbacks with 15 shots on the pass at Hovland Lake that once existed north of Rothsay, MN. So I sort of considered semiautos guns for gamehogs back when there were no limits. He went back to a double (Nitro Special) back in the '30s and started me out with a Stevens 311.

I do like to look down my barrels for obstructions when in a muddy boat in dense vegetation. Plus all I shoot are reloads. Definitely do not want to fool with caps, springs, spacers, and rings just to clear a barrel. My hunting partner's 11-48 iced up so bad one time he had to beat it against the gunnel to get at the operating handle. He bought a Weatherby Orion before the next duck season.

Sorry to get off topic. To get back on, I have a bottle of Break Free I wipe guns with before putting them in the closet. Works for me as a rust preventative.
Posted By: tw Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/05/20 04:11 AM
Since there has already been a fair amount of thread drift, I'll add this note on SBE's. Hunting bud uses one exclusively for our forays hunting geese on cut over corn fields. One morning his became a non-functioning non-shot. Nothing could be seen to be wrong. He had to use a borrowed gun that morning. Back at the hotel I dismantled it trying to ascertain what had happened. Finally realized that he must have sat the gun down in the corn stubble w/the bolt open when we were getting comfortable [we were shooting lay out blinds] and picked up a minuscule bit of corn stalk or chaff and it was essentially invisible due to the black moly grease where the rotating bolt's head went to battery, but it was enough to keep it from going all the way home. It wasn't much, size or thickness wise, perhaps not even .125" x .005", but it was enough to keep the bolt from going fully to battery and made the gun inoperative. I only found it and realized what it was after wiping all of the grease out w/a combination of bent cotton swabs and toothpicks, when it came out on one of them. His gun functioned just fine afterwards.
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On double gun lubricants, I like grease on the hinge pin and action's nose where the forearm fits against it. And prefer any of the synthetic oils like 'Minuteman Hi-tech gun oil, tw25 &c. favored by the 'run & gun' crowd for other places like locks, triggers, ejectors. I wipe them down w/a sheep skin sprayed w/Corrosion X most of the time, but have Eezox as well. Absolute best bore and plastic cleaner [from wads] I know of is Quick-Shot Bore Cleaner. Its no longer being made and you do not want to get any of it on the wood's finish. It was sold in aerosol cans. I was very fortunate to buy two cases [12 cans in a case] of it shortly before they went out of business, giving the first case away to shooting friends as Christmas presents and retaining the second. I'll be very sorry when the last can is gone & I'm getting close, but having to stop shooting for some time due to the Wuhan virus has delayed its consumption. Ed's Red does the job too as will MC-#7 firearms bore cleaner from Shooter's Choice, but its not as quick or as convenient.

I'm of the opinion that the most important thing is keeping the gun clean and freshly lubricated, more so than what exact product you are using. I've used Lubri-Plate white #105 grease, Super Lube, Military grade turbine oil and extreme low temp lubricants, Rem-oil [both with & without the 'rust preventive'], Kreighoff & Perazzi lubricants, Moly grease and others at one time or another. I also experienced a SS S&W revolver have the cylinder freeze up that had been stored for a long time w/WD-40 as the protective lubricant. More WD-40 loosened it up, but after that experience cleaned it all out and went back w/Corrosion-X and have never looked back. Had that revolver been used periodically, it might not have stuck like it did. It wasn't and it did. Just saying.
Posted By: Cold Iron Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/05/20 06:22 AM
Originally Posted By: BrentD
This is what I use, but one of them, only on bike chains




Oh now you are just showing off with that can of Sperm Oil LOL :-)

Been almost 3/4's of a Century since you could get that.

Spent my first 7 years in the Navy up and down the West Coast deployed out of bases, except for a year in Wa. in the yards. In 83 took the USS Coral Sea around the World. They flew me back to get my FJ55 Iron Pig and worldly possessions which was guns, reloaders, and camping gear. Walked to the end of the pier so I could say that I actually been around the world then got on I80 and headed East.

Only stopped for gas the whole way back then not a lot of 24 hour stations so would pull in at night and wait for them to wake me up in the morning when they opened. Besides that I only made one stop. In Iowa....



Not sure how they are now but back then only a lobby and a desk I was expecting to "shop" around. But they had a catalog that you could order from. Already knew that I wanted the screwdriver set. Had a lot of the books including gunsmith kinks, etc. Lady at the desk must have felt my disappointment and asked if I wanted to sign the guest book which I did. But wasn't sure what to put where I was from. I am in there in the book though. Not that anyone will ever look in it.

I have the same anti slip router mat on my reloading bench. Although this is a really old picture before I got the automate that Ben down in Iowa invented and eventually sold to MEC as the 9000E. Have a lot of presses now mainly 9K MECS for shotgun. And they all can be run by the original automate.



And good memories. Thank you for that.

They haven't made 12 pounds kegs since the mid 80's. My Toller back then was underfoot and I picked him up on a whim and parked him in the keg and was able to snap a pic before he jumped out. That was a long time ago. But a picture I treasure.

Originally Posted By: Shotgunjones
It's not the gun that makes the sportsman Hal.

The Brits generally consider repeating shotguns an abomination and game destroyers, yet they have no problem with a man using a pair of classics with an assistant to keep up a high rate of fire.

Done skillfully, that's faster than I can shove shells in a Benelli playing a 'flurry' game at clay targets.

I like automatic shotguns of all designs. They are as much the history of this sport as any other type.

Do they represent 'progress'? Matter of opinion. They are fun to shoot, and the better ones have dynamics that facilitate good results in the field and on the clays courses.

Problem is, I like them all. I'm just happy pulling a trigger... or two triggers as the case may be.



I am afflicted by the same disease!

And would be honored to be squaded with you any time.

For the last 2 years have tried to stay with my SxS guns for clays and have. Last year picked up a Cordoba 30" end of life for ~1K already knew the 30" SS was the way to go when they first came out. Only put around 500 rounds through it because trying to stay with my SxS guns. Grew up with Ithaca 37's because where I grew up if you didn't shoot them or an 870 you must be a Communist in the 60's and 70's. Or even worse, a damn flatlander from Jersey or Philly.

About the H&K Benelli guns my Ex FIL bought one of the first ones. He gave my son his O\U Browning's and other O\U's with receipts from purchase to refinish. He shot a lot and so did I. After 24 years of marriage to his daughter when she left to go "find herself" we still remained best friends.

After many years of shooting he landed on the Benelli and had one of the first ones imported to the US. 28" and setup for left hand. He shot at least 200 rounds of skeet a week plus hunting and sporting clays with it for years. After ~60K rounds it started to have problems ejecting shells.

Happened to be "back home" with him and we put it in the vise in the barn. He had never had it apart. The mag tube was full of seed heads and debris. Trying to take the stock spring out through had me worried with how much torque we had to apply. told Jack that we should brace it better and we did. Finally figured out that Benelli had used locktite on the stock bolt screw to hold the spring in. Asked him if him if had a torch which being an electrician he did and we heated it up and busted it free.

Was as dirty as the mag tube spring with crap. Had dial up internet and found out the spring was compressed an inch and a half beyond spec. We cleaned everything up and stretched the spring to specs. Has worked flawless since then and the gun is sitting in my safe. With his other guns. Because it is a 28" and doesn't handle the best for me or my son we don't shot it. But I will never get rid of it.

But you will never pry my 12 ga. 26" Benelli Ultralight from my cold dead hand when it comes to killing phez.

Which is not a joke. He called me before Rock Mountain was throwing tipples and was nervous and said he wished I could be there with him. We had a good talk but it will never be good enough.

He died of a massive heart attack shooting those triples the next day. I posted a tribute to him back then 11 years ago, but it still doesn't do him justice.

yes the good do die young

He was only 69
Posted By: BrentD, Prof Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/05/20 12:28 PM
Originally Posted By: Cold Iron


Oh now you are just showing off with that can of Sperm Oil LOL :-)

Been almost 3/4's of a Century since you could get that.
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Showing off? Guilty as charged. I save it for special occasions, but I don't see that is anything magic either. I make a little bullet lube with it for hunting moose and next year, bears in Alaska, and things such as that. Gifted to me from a friend.

Next time you are passing through Iowa, Brownells has a big shop and facility right next to Interstate 80 waiting for you. More than screwdrivers (I have the same set).

And maybe make another stop or two to chase some pheasants. Should be a good year this year.

Take care of those tollers - they definitely will take good care of you. That's a great photo!
Posted By: canvasback Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/05/20 01:07 PM
Originally Posted By: BrentD
Originally Posted By: Cold Iron


Oh now you are just showing off with that can of Sperm Oil LOL :-)

Been almost 3/4's of a Century since you could get that.
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Showing off? Guilty as charged. I save it for special occasions, but I don't see that is anything magic either. I make a little bullet lube with it for hunting moose and next year, bears in Alaska, and things such as that. Gifted to me from a friend.

Next time you are passing through Iowa, Brownells has a big shop and facility right next to Interstate 80 waiting for you. More than screwdrivers (I have the same set).

And maybe make another stop or two to chase some pheasants. Should be a good year this year.

Take care of those tollers - they definitely will take good care of you. That's a great photo!


Three falls ago, heading west to Nebraska on a non stop Toronto to Lincoln trip, I passed the Brownells facility. Made a poor mental note.

Two falls ago I decided to stop for the night. Pulled off the highway and got a room in some small town. Got up in the morning and started driving with the vague idea that I would stop at Brownells when I saw it. I saw it from the entrance ramp heading back onto the interstate. mad

Last fall I finally made it in. Great store with lots of interesting stuff. And the full warehouse to back it up.
Posted By: BrentD, Prof Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/05/20 01:21 PM
Strangely, I have never stopped at Brownells. They have a lot, but not much that I need. When I do, I just order like anyone else. Mostly just small supplies. But someday I'll do it.
Posted By: 28 gauge shooter Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/05/20 02:18 PM
Say what about lube for removable chocks? Would breach lube due the trick same stuff one would use for in-line muzzle loader.

Reason I ask is my RBL chocks are a [censored] to remove. I don’t like the chock wrench which seems to work best with a more open chocks. Figure I might try a spot of breach lube if that will work. Kinda now wish the gun had fixed chocks.

Rich
Posted By: old colonel Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/05/20 03:45 PM
Briley sells a specific lube for choke tubes. I use it and have not had issues. It is likely other EP lubes are just as good, however using theirs is simple and I know it is close to correct. I imagine other manufacturers also sell their version of choke lube. Other specially made or marketed choke lubes include from Brownells, outers, and birch wood Casey.

I make a point of removing the tubes during Each cleaning and lubing them each time even though I rarely change them to a different constriction. That way they do not go an extended time and get frozen or more difficult to remove.


https://www.briley.com/p-52300-briley-unilube-synthetic-choke-tube-grease.aspx
Posted By: Replacement Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/05/20 03:51 PM
I used to use graphite lube on choke tubes, but found it to be effective but messy. Switched to Mobi 1 grease and have had no issues.
Posted By: Walter C. Snyder Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/05/20 07:35 PM
Clenzoil for cleaning and rust prevention-S.T.O.S. for lubing rubbing parts.
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/05/20 10:33 PM
Plus 1 on Mobile One grease for choke tubes. Either Universal synthetic or Mobile 28. Good stuff.
Choke tubes are actually hammered into the barrel treads with use, and must be removed and lubed, fairly regularly, or, they will seize into the threads in the barrel. Heavy loads and steel shot escaberate the situation.

Best,
Ted
Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/06/20 12:58 AM
Originally Posted By: 28 gauge shooter
Say what about lube for removable chocks? Would breach lube due the trick same stuff one would use for in-line muzzle loader.

Reason I ask is my RBL chocks are a [censored] to remove. I don’t like the chock wrench which seems to work best with a more open chocks. Figure I might try a spot of breach lube if that will work. Kinda now wish the gun had fixed chocks.

Rich


Chokes.
Posted By: 28 gauge shooter Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/07/20 03:05 AM
Thanks Stan I see it must be my auto correct on this iPad and my inability to catch my error. LoL!
Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: Corrosion Protectants and Lubes - 08/07/20 11:29 AM
Anyone besides myself noticed that "spell check" leans toward political correctness? I wish I knew how to turn it off, on my devices. I have always been a good speller, and spell check has caused me much more aggravation than it has ever done me good.

SRH

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