Yeah, that 2nd one is @ least a Sauer & Sohn Modell Nr. 17 and Wilhelm Robert Eblen of Stuttgart peddled nothing but the best.
The 1st one is a Kerner-Anson Body Action and really isn't nothing at which to scoff.
Cheers,
Raimey
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Neither was the great "Kraut" as Hemingway called Marlene Dietrich, and for that matter, Heddy (Hedwig) Lamar. Fuchs..
I don’t believe Dietrich , Lamar or Fuchs were/ are approachable for my level of bottom feeder......a Sauer and your average haufbrau maiden- maybe....;>)
Best Regards,
JBP