things are so dead, i am considering driving to a gun show...

Forks Of The Delaware is on this weekend...

is it worth a six hour drive?

hey keet, hows your NRA dees days?

anybody wanna pontificate...bout any thin?

Nope- I'm of the Roman Catholic faith, oh Fast Eddie- I let the Holy Father do my pontificating for me.. RWTF

Eddie Cochran said "Ain't no cure for the summertime blues"!

Me, I'm just looking forward (not) to next summer's presidential campaigns...Geo

well then, lets talk about cool, healthy summer meals...

for lunch, i had white grapes, watermelon and peanut butter...

and lemon water to wash it all down...

not bad...and i feel so proud of myself for not going the high carb, high fat route...

Think again. Grapes, watermelon, peanut butter and lemons ................... all carbs. Peanut butter has a fair amount of protein, but it's still a carb. If it grew on a tree, plant, vine or bush, it's a carb.

SRH

well yeah stan, but it aint wheat, potatoes nor rice...

and that is the point...cool, low carb and healthy...

now for dinner, there is a salad:

chicken breast, avacado, red onion, cherry tomatoes, lettuce, crotons, spices with cider vinegar and olive oil dressing...

washed down with a wine, tonic and lime cooler, on top of lots of ice...

and perhaps cold diced peaches and port for dessert...

Now there's a great "golden oldie": "I'd like to help you son, but you're too young to vote!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3YK95jW5p0

"It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no Senator's son"-- CCR

Another Todd Snider fan, here? Wonders will never cease.

Another great song from a great group. For CCR fans, John Fogerty has written his autobiography: "Fortunate Son".

Love me some Todd Snider, seen him a bunch. Met him once, really a nice genuine guy.

We don't get the summertime blahs around he'ah. When the work's done we go to the beach or a sandbar on the river ................ and chill. I prefer the sandbar, myself. Lots of boats, good conversation, and fine Southern GA and SC conservative voters.

Flyover country ....................... Trump country.



SRH

Great pic Stan. Southern Belles in bikinis and boats with Trump flags!

Last week I saw a local online obituary that was pretty cool. The guy who died had requested that, in lieu of flowers, folks should send a memorial contribution to the Trump Re-Election Campaign Fund.

That’s awesome Stan. Makes me wish I were a southerner (I did live in Jackson, MS and Metairie, LA for awhile in the late 80’s, but I don’t pretend to be a southerner because I’m not, but there are some things I miss, like the delicious shrimp po’ Boys and other things).

luv those trump flags...

Methinks you'd make a fine Southerner, WMc, given an appropriate amount of time for acclimation, that is ................

SRH

Thanks Stan! The South is a great, great place and southerners are great, great people. I miss it, but mostly the people.

My Wife was an Illinois Girl but she became a true Southerner real fast. If I try & rib her about her being born a Yankee, she'll tell me real quick she wasn't ever a Yankee, she was from Southern Illinois.

She, in fact, worked long & hard to dig up a Confederate that would allow her membership in the UDC (United Daughters of the Confederacy). She finally found one as she can get in the UDC through Uncles & such, does not have to be a direct descendant.

The SCV and the UDC, and the DAR, are great organizations. Well founded and well represented today.

SRH

Southern IL is night and day compared to what most people think of when they think of Illinois i.e. Chicagoland. Very different culture, politics, etc.

True fact: Cairo, IL is 30 miles farther south than Richmond, VA.

Stan;
I am of course in full agreement with that statement. I am currently serving as Camp commander of the B F Cheatam Camp 72 of the Starnes Division of the TN division of the SCV. Interestingly Starnes was the commander of the 4th Tenn Volunteer Cavalry which one of my Great Grandfathers served under for the duration of the war. Starnes was shot & killed by a sniper during the Tullahoma Campaign about 15 miles from where I presently live. McLemore then assumed command for the rest of the War. This cavalry unit worked very closely with N B Forest & I am quite certain G Grandfather Fulks was with Forrest when he chased Able Strait across North Alabama & then tricked him into surrendering without a battle.

Both of these organizations are doing all within our power to set a lot of records straight & to honor those Great Men for standing up for they believed was Right, & it WAS NOT all about Slavery.

" & it WAS NOT all about Slavery."

well piper, agreed...but, lets be more direct here...without slavery, there would have been no war...

slavery represented an economic power, that free labor could not hope to compete against...

plus, slavery anywhere, anytime is an evil, sinful practice...

facts are, the leaders of the south had plenty of time and opportunity to rid themselves of it...they choose not to do so...they/we suffered the consequences...

Summer time is shooting time! Tourney about every Saturday and practice on Sunday.....lakes are still way above normal so fishing has been put on hold. Not so the yard work.

No tatts in sight. You must have a better class of rednecks up there...Geo

I’ve been living with an Alabama girl for a few years and spending some time down there. The experience has made me aware of the enormous cultural differences between the N & S. Starting out, I didn't know the differences were so big. Honestly, it’s been a struggle at times and there are clashes of basic values. It really is comparable to dating someone from another country. I like the South and Southerners. Y’all know how to have fun. On the other hand, I know I would never quite belong there. The paradox is, the more I get to know the South, the less I understand it.

Not one African American to be seen at that beach. Is it private?

That is a pic of the Beaufort, SC Waterfest last weekend. Open to the public, which means everyone ................ of any skin color.

As I said, I prefer the sandbars on the river, and we have blacks come there. They are welcome, as is any race, as long as they treat the women and girls like ladies and watch their language in front of the small children. We work together, we play together. Just because you don't see any doesn't mean that they were somehow rejected. Should they have been made to go where they didn't want to be?

What you won't see at the sandbars are leftist, socialist liberal freeloaders. Not that we wouldn't allow them there, they just wouldn't feel very welcome I don't think. They'd rather hang out on forums like this, in anonymity. Like you. But, what I will do is get the latitude and longitude coordinates next time I'm there, with my handheld GPS unit. Then, I will post them here for you. You have a standing invitation to come for a visit any summer Saturday or Sunday afternoon, and check it out for yourself. Put your boat in at the Burton's Ferry landing on the GA side of the Savannah River, on US 301. Go upstream (that's against the current) until you reach the coordinates I post. Start a conversation about politics there, saying the things you say here. We'd really like to have you.

SRH

Pardon my confusion Stan, but it is understandable considering the segregationist past of the South and how many newly integrated activities and areas got around intergration with private clubs.

I guess no black people wanted to go the the river the hot southern day that pic was taken.

And kudos to you and the other beach goers for your enlightened position that all blacks and races are welcome so long as they treat women and girls like ladies and maintain respectful language. Considering all the flags, I guess Trump would get a pass for regaling the ladies on how easy it is for him to grab their pussies. I guess that's how you guys treat women and girls like ladies.

Your confusion is understandable for liberals as biased against Southern conservatives as you are. Knee jerk reactions are the norm.

I edited my earlier post to add an invitation. Please don't overlook it.

SRH

Sure, I'll be along to chat it up with you guys. Just be sure to have a dictionary on hand in case you need to look up a definition or two... we don't want anything to be lost in translation.

Edited to add, for Stan's benefit, the presumption that Blacks are not going to treat the women and girls like ladies and use disrespectful language is...racist. Not saying that doesn't happen, just that it transcends all races. Like when this guy bragged about how he treated women...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/07/donald-trump-leaked-recording-women

The upper Midwest (my area of origin) is the area of the US with the most black/white segregation. In my experience today’s Southerners are very low on the racism spectrum. Southern states are where blacks are currently doing the best economically.

Having spent considerable time in the south I can tell you that it’s bad form for a stranger to jump right into a political discussion. Start with an ice breaker. I suggest William T. Sherman.


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https://youtu.be/-9fdwMZXcAY

See, that's exactly what I was talking about. There was, and is, no presumption that blacks will do that anymore than whites. We have had instances where whites have disrespected the women, and been inconsiderate of small children, and paid for it. One white guy was backed out into the river to the point that only his face was above water. A couple of his buddies came to his rescue in a boat and got him out of there. I've never seen a black person misbehave at the river. Not saying it can't happen, we just don't expect it. But, as I tried to be clear about earlier, we don't tolerate it from anyone. Play your race card somewhere else, where it might apply.

Your eagerness to find a racist behind every bush will be sooo not welcome when you come to visit.

SRH

Some very wise observer of the social scene once commented that "American Black men will never rise to the achievement that American White men have attained until they begin to respect Women- all women,, white, black, tan, red, beige, whatever.

What has turned our Northern big cities into drug and crime cesspools has been, for the most part, violent crime based on the soul-robbing sell out of your conscience to get drugs- by any means-- When you are black and raised on the welfare programs enacted by ignorant politicians, and you do not know who, of many men in the home, who your father is, and even if you did, would he take you to a ball game, sponsor you in school events, athletics, etc-- what role model do you have in your formative years??

It bothers me greatly to see some posters demeaning our Southern based membership- in a bit of a "Jeff Foxworthy/Larry The Cable Guy" scenario. This is NOT the America that thousands of brave Americans died to preserve in WW2 and Korea-- RWTF

I know its hard for you to see, but you did put a prerequisite of their being well behaved to be welcome and as you wrote it, singled out African Americans.

If you want to believe that lie, "carry on, my wayward son".

SRH

I can't wait for keith to point out your dodging your own words now....

Don't forget to use your normal language, like the above, when you visit. I'll have a stopwatch handy to see how long you last.

SRH

I think I would be well received if I showed up in a MEGA hat and Trump Pence 2020 shirt. We'd chuckle all day long about grabbing pussies.

225: birds of a feather, flock together...

and i grew up in the very deep south in the fifties...

back then there was a real reason for racism...it was fear...

i came north to ny in 1960...

in the late 60's, there was the same reason for racism...guess watt, it was fear...

unless you have lived what i have lived, you best be quiet bout things you don no nuttin bout...

now, i have lived in nh for 20 years...no fear here...

Is there any there, there?


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NH, aka South Nova Scotia.

there, there...yo no comprendo...

Ed;
1; The War was not fought over slavery, Lincoln himself said so, & you know they called him "Honest Abe". So yes the war would have been fought anyway.

2; Define Sin?

3: Who said Slavery was Sinful?

Really? I clearly saw in Stan's post, the expectation that all visitors behave with respect. He punctuated that by relating how misbehaving whites had paid for disrespecting women and children, and even a story about a white guy who had to be rescued because he was "escorted" out to deep water due to his behavior.

Of course, it's understandable that you missed all of that Nancy-boy. Only someone with a brain could see it. And we all know that you would never actually visit and voice your opinions there. If you ever did, the water level in the river would reach flood stage from you pissing yourself.

2: abe lincoln was not honest...

sin has a few definitions...intentionally doing harm to others for your own benefit, is one of them...

and, i say again, slavery, anywhere, any time is evil and sinful...

remember the golden rule: "do unto others, as you would have them do unto you"...

2 and others interested in slavery in our country:

watch the movie "amistad"...

En la boca de la puta grande, Eduardo!! El Zorro..

Over years of my life, I have found the only value in movies is entertainment, they are very seldom "Factual"

Fact;

In the context of this quote the apostle, John was referring to God's law, not man's.

Fact;
There is not one single verse in God's Word (The Bible) which declares owning a slave to be a Sin.

Fact;
Until the 13th Amendment was ratified on Dec 6, 1865, it was not a transgression of the laws of the USA to own a slave.

Fact;
Prior to Dec 6, 1895 owning a slave could not justly be called Sinful.

nca225....The racist scum of the earth destroys another thread.

2: there is more than one word of god in this world...

just because judeo/christian scripture may not condemn slavery, does not make the practice any more or less evil and sinful...

god is in all men...in our minds and in our hearts...

if you look your fellow man in the eye and see pain and suffering...and you know that you are the source of that pain and suffering, then if you are a good man, you cannot just ignore it or even worse, rationalize the continuance of his misery, as a choice of the lesser of evils...

and "amistad" is a wonderfully entertaining movie...that is also thought provoking...

You go on believing that if you choose to, I will continue serving THE GOD who created me.



I choose to do so now while it is beneficial to me.

ed, We finally agree on something. As for 2-Piper, How about the Golden Rule?

Your FACTS are wrong Miller, and a stunning rationalization without biblical historical context, while ignoring the message of the entire New Testament (loving our neighbor as ourself - Mark 12:31).

Did you miss the part about EVERY man being made in the image of God? Genesis 1:26-28

That Paul instructed Philemon to receive Onesimus “no longer as a slave...but as a dear brother” v. 17

1 Corinthians 7:17-24 is NOT a justification for slavery or trying to improve one's station in life. At least John Gill (and every commentator since) thought so
https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/1-corinthians-7-20.html

The presence of slavery in OT and NT times is not God's approval thereof, anymore than the polygamy (which was forbidden in 1 Timothy 3:12) or child marriage (also never expressly forbidden)

My denomination split over slavery, and has confessed and repented of that sin
http://www.sbc.net/resolutions/899/resol...tist-convention
and the "Curse of Ham"
http://www.sbc.net/resolutions/2287/on-r...tion-for-racism

I can't believe we are still having this discussion.

More here for the interested
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/why-wrong-say-bible-pro-slavery/

Billy, do you think cheating Dave by selling items in the Custom Rifle forum rather than the For Sale forum is adhering to the Golden Rule?

https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=551005#Post551005

Keith, why don't you just ask Dave if I've ever failed to pay a seller's fee? Your harping on this is like every other issue you raise: a lot of sound and fury based on ignorance and hostility. Find a good therapist; get a good prescription. Take up square dancing. Read a book. Get a life.

Miller: every disciple of Jesus Christ will give an account of the words we speak (Matthew 12:36) and God takes very seriously the sin of presuming to speak for Him, from His word, falsely - Deuteronomy 18:20, Jeremiah 23:14, Ezekiel 22:38, Galatians 1:8

Dave: is this the Forum you want, where racism and slavery can be justified and rationalized?

Let us not despair; it is a blessed cause, and success, ere long, will crown our exertions. Already we have gained one victory; we have obtained, for these poor creatures, the recognition of their human nature, which, for a while was most shamefully denied. This is the first fruits of our efforts; let us persevere and our triumph will be complete. Never, never will we desist till we have wiped away this scandal from the Christian name, released ourselves from the load of guilt, under which we at present labour, and extinguished every trace of this bloody traffic, of which our posterity, looking back to the history of these enlightened times, will scarce believe that it has been suffered to exist so long a disgrace and dishonour to this country.
William Wilberforce — speech before the House of Commons, 18 April 1791...

too bad we did not follow England's lead...

or, "we should have first freed the slaves, and then fired on fort sumter"...james longstreet...

No... he probably wants a forum where Godless Libtards like King, Larry, rocky mtn bill and nca225 can repeatedly bash our pro-gun President Donald Trump, and support the Liberal Left Democrats who continually erode and infringe upon the 2nd Amendment! And I bet he wants Libtard guys who support taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood so they can suck the brains out of living fetuses and then sell their body parts.

Yeah, I'll bet that's what he wants. There are worse things than differing Biblical interpretations about the former and now illegal practice of enslaving humans... such as the practice of enslaving humans in the present day. But much of this modern day slavery is done by "people of color" to other "people of color"... so we must not speak of it:

https://polarisproject.org/human-trafficking

Oh the Hypocrisy.
Arguably the nastiest human being to walk the face of the earth giving Golden Rule lessons.

if you would like to learn more about wilberforce, google him and watch the movie "amazing grace"...

I must have missed your Golden Rule lesson Bob. Was that the lesson where you claimed to "demonstrate my new DoubleGun philosophy
of peace love and understanding."

....and then promptly went back to attacking jOe for the heinous crime of noticing your gun had a perch-belly stock?

Or was it in your recently deleted Thread dedicated to carrying out a particularly nasty attack on Buzz?

Oh the hypocrisy.... in a special place where, if I post a direct unedited QUOTE from you, your pal mustela frenata will accuse me of lying, and so will you. We would all like to see these things from your point of view Bob. But then we'd have to put our heads up our ass, which would be detrimental to our shooting.

My little lying keith
Apparently we disagree on the administration of the golden rule.
Can we at least agree that you are arguably the nastiness human being to walk the face of the planet?

Crying Bob's GOLDEN RULE---




I notice you removed part of my statement in your QUOTE. You must hope no one will notice that your head is planted up your ass. Too late, everyone knows.

well, summer is now officially here, including the flies and mosquitoes...

... and the anti-gun Trolls:

Anti-Gun Posts by Ed Good

Note that Paul "Requested" that Philemon release Onesimus as a Brother, as he stated he could be of much service to him (Paul). He DID NOT Command him to do so & he did not tell him it would be a Sin not to. One has to read what the Bible Says, Not what one wants it to say. The freeing of Onesimus was purely a personal request from Paul, not a Command of God.



From a Greek Lexicon, the word Servant here is literally "SLAVE".

Nota Bene (Note Well) I am not suggesting we return to slavery. I am quite happy it no longer exists. I had ancestors who owned slaves. Some or all of them may well have been sinners in the sight of God, he will Judge that. I will state with Confidence though if they were, it was NOT because they owned a slave or slaves.

There were laws given, from God, regarding one's treatment of their slaves. It was never a command they had to free them. Also, note I am not taking it upon myself to "Speak For God" I am simply letting "His Word" speak for itself.

My point is one simply cannot Judge the past by the present. Abraham is referred to as The Friend of God & also as the Father of the Faithful. He owned many slaves, he was never told to free them. He was given many commands, which he obeyed, but that was not among them.



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So was any part of your ancestor's owning slaves sinful? Having them kidnapped and transported here in hellish conditions? Buying and selling another child of God as livestock for financial gain? Separating children from their mothers? Compelling compliance with the whip? Sexual slavery? How Miller do you separate owning slaves from the reality of what slavery was?

Paul was quite clear when speaking for himself and not God - 1 Corinthians 7:10 & 12

Yep, Abraham got ahead of God and had sex with a slave girl, and that didn't work out well for the children of Isaac and Jacob. He also lied to Pharaoh about Sarai being his wife. It was his faith that made him right with God (Genesis 15:6, Romans 4), just like us (Romans 1:17, Galatians 3:11, Hebrews 10:28).

Your position on the "Curse of Ham" Miller? It's in God's word in Genesis 9:24-26. Maybe provide us with a link to your church's or denomination's position?

too bad jesus had nothing much to say about slavery...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_slavery

Jesus said in Luke 4:18 (foretold in Isaiah 61:1) that he was sent to proclaim freedom for the prisoners/captives. All of us are in bondage (slaves) to sin, and some then were in physical bondage. The church, when faithful, has been at the forefront of ending slavery - both kinds.

but frederick douglass had a lot to say about slavery:

https://www.123helpme.com/the-basic-evil...w.asp?id=216995

here is some interesting reading...

the history of slavery in brazil and how it was abolished...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Brazil

Thank the good Lord the "What's for dinner" thread finally got locked...

Dr. Drew do you ever feel like a thief when you go on a missionary trip.

Are you not trying to steal a foreigners heritage and make them a slave to your religion ?

John 8:34-36
Jesus replied, "Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed."

I'm thinking freedom in Christ is better than slavery to the machismo culture, corruption, alcohol, witchcraft and the worship of demons Frank. Check out Maximon here; this stuff is real
https://sites.google.com/site/anotherdaysjourneybackhome/revival/almolonga-Quetzaltenango

If the C.A. culture was so wonderful they wouldn't all be coming here.

heat effects shooting here in mo. june july and aug.....no one NOT ONE comes out to shoot. yet, the range requires the most maint. so there I am cutting, trimming, and cleaning a ghost range. what a waste.

Do you have lights? Night shoots might be just the ticket to beat the heat. Just a thought.

bOb you're being way tOo hard on yourself....I'd put you at least the 2nd or 3rd nastiest human.

Pm me an address I'll get these mOde1 21 butt hurt wipes on the way.



After you rub your butt hurt model 21 down try a couple on that nAsty mouth of yours.

Hope it helps bOoby bOy.

Also in a 5 stand I recommend shooting in the rain at night. You get to see your shot line every time. It helps alot

how bout a member swap meet?

I thought the worst person in the world was a certain Nova Scotian.

Brad Marchand of course. (who were you all thinking of?)

Some mighty fine a pickin’ and a singin’

https://youtu.be/Q9y80_IEokk


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...and doesn’t. Mark Twain

Drew;
I will leave it to God to judge my ancestors. I will stand by my statement though that IF they are judged to be Sinners, it will be on some account other than that they owned slaves. I can find & cite references of all sorts of things which are declared to be Sin. Here are a few examples:



Funny thing is I do not see owning a slave in that list. In fact Nowhere in the Bible will you see it declared a Sin to own a slave. You can read through Exodus & Deuteronomy & find God's rules in regard to their slaves, as to how they were to be treated, etc but they were not told they needed to get rid of them.

As to Abraham, yes he made some grievous mistakes & some of them he paid for dearly. He was though called the Father of the Faithful, not just because he believed God Existed, but because he OBEYED God's commands.

Same with Noah, it was declared in Hebrews 11 that By Faith, Noah Built an Ark.
Modern-day doctrines of men would say Noah believed in God, he believed it was going to rain & he would be saved from the flood in a big old boat, so he sat there on the river bank fishing & waited for God to send the boat.

In the 1800s slaves were valuable commodities, their owners did not as a whole mistreat them. They wanted them well & able to do a day's work.

The picture we are all so familiar with of a slave with his back beaten to a p[ulp was far & away & exception rather than the norm.

When Lincoln issued his "Infamous" Emancipation Proclamation" it was not for the slave's benefit. It, in fact, freed not a single slave which he had any jurisdiction over, read it for yourself. It was purely a political & military action. Politically it was a success as it got him re-electted as president which he was in great jeopardy of losing. Militarily it was a Flop. He Expected a mass exodus of the slaves & that confederate soldiers would desert to go back & tend to their farms. Wrong, for the most part, the slaves stayed LOYAL to their owners & stayed on tending the crops.

We all I suppose fully realize that is the way anyone would act who had been Bruttaly Mistreated & Abused.

I recommend you quit listening to so much "Politically Correct" Hogwash & dig deep
for some truths.

As for the Church, I do not belong to any Man's Denomination, nor did I Purchase a church. Although I was raised in the Church I was 17 when I decided I truly needed to be a Christian. I thus went forward & was Baptised for the Remission of my sins & was added to the New Testament Church which the Lord Jesus purchased with His blood upon the Cross & which was fully established on the First Pentecost following His Resurrection.

Mr.Miller not sure if even God himself can save a hypocrite hiding behind the cloth.

miller: with all due respect, somehow the idea of using religious writings as justification for holding fellow human beings in bondage is well, unchristian, as i understand what it means to be a follower of Jesus Christ...

and as to slaves remaining loyal, fact is, around 180,000 black men served as soldiers in the union army during the later half of the war...from the war's beginning to end many thousands of black men and women served the union cause in any way they could...wherever union armies went in the south, large numbers of slaves followed them...seeking freedom, which is man's natural state...

Slavery is indefensible: that said, most of it has been perpetrated by people of color! Don't believe it? Arabs slaved East Africa for 7 centuries before the west even got started. Take Hamed bin Muhammad--sultan of Zanzibar, slaver. He was called Tippu Tibb, after the sound of his musket's detonation. He and his four generals, Clean Sweeper, Bitter as Bile, the Destroyer, and Angel of Death enslaved some 400,000 slaves. Now get this--only one or two out of ten made it back to the Middle East. Not counting those killed in war, two or three would die naturally in route back to Mombasa from the African interior, a couple maybe "while trying to escape" plus at least one from complications of resisting castration--all were made eunuchs--in Mombasa, and the last one dying either pulling into

Zanzibar or leaving (the sea bottom still looks like an oyster bed of skulls) and you have an idea of the gruesomeness of Arabic slaving. And that was just one generation of the 700 yrs! Muslim slaving still goes on--look at Boko Haram. Then you have the Spanish and Portuguese slaving to the Southern Hemisphere, blessed by Papal Bull. When America freed slaves, they had the option to be repatriated to Liberia. There were riots in Philadelphia and elsewhere TO STAY IN THE STATES! The freemen who went to Liberia enslaved the local Liberians, selling them for $15 ea. on the Islands of San Tome' and Fernando Po. They called native Liberians "bush-n----rs." White slaves? You betcha--not just all the "slavic" peoples, but those whom were cleared out of the "Poorhouses" perhaps first in Scotland, and also England. WHAT DOES ANY OF THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE TRLUE GENIUS OF THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTI0N AND DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE? Those documents are not nullified by the writers' personal lives. Friends, stop letting false guilt extort money from you--trillions of dollars in entitlements have more than made up reparations for those who chose to stay here. Nobody has a guilty conscience in South America! Move on.

Amen.

Miller: since you did not address the "Curse of Ham", may we assume that you affirm it? That the happy and well treated slaves your family owned were predestined by God to serve them? They did not of course make a "free will" choice to be enslaved, and probably didn't have a choice to just walk away after the preliminary Emancipation Proclamation in 1862. Have you discussed this with your distant cousin?

Get off your high horse.

some more interesting summer reading:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_slavery

No one in their right mind has any true guilt feelings about what occurred so many generations ago. None of us had any say so about the events of the 1700-1800s. Reparations for slavery is a fool's game. In a greater sense, the Democratic Party has enslaved the black race in America, and most of them (blacks) went along willingly. They were/are enslaved to free money, free health care, free food, free cell phones, free transportation, ad nauseam. It was begun by the Democrats, really getting rolling about the time of Lyndon Johnson's term in the Oval office, when he began his "Great Society", and was done not for the sake of equality, but for the sake of gaining power at the ballot box to keep Dems in office. Slavery, again .................. with a resulting loss of dignity.

Once again the words of Thomas Jefferson should be heeded ................ "When the people find they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic".

I have the greatest respect for minority individuals who have overcome the bondage of a fatherless home, not being taught a work ethic, and have somehow risen above the mantra that the government owes me a living, to support themselves and their families, and in many cases start their own successful businesses. Shame on those, by whatever name they 'e called, that seek to continue keeping them in bondage to the almighty dollar for the sake of increasing their own power base.

SRH

Frank: I know thinking give you a headache, but what is your opinion? Were the black Africans a genetically inferior people group whose highest aspiration was/should be to serve their betters?

Another statement by Thomas Jefferson from "Notes on the State of Virginia", Query 18 (In his denunciation of slavery as an extreme depravity, despite being a slave owner.)
Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep forever.

Was God's gift of liberty limited to white people Frank? Don't hold back now.

Dr.Drew I'm not on trial here.

Not sure about slavers but I’m guessing Hell is packed full of banjo pickers.


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Jackson Browne
https://youtu.be/KMeQ3LxA30k

"White Man's Burden" Lloyd, "White Man's Burden" Jack Torrance!!

Jackson Browne is one hell of a song writer. This one has always one of my favorites songs, sung by Brother Greg. Sure do miss that guy. A one of a kind voice and musician. I was very lucky to have seen him many times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCUxJFtTFNk

Great response jOe!

Why should you submit to an inquisition from someone who is genetically and morally inferior to you????

I have not done an extensive search on this but offhand I believe this is all that is found in the Bible regarding Ham being a servant unto his brothers. I am NOT using this to justify owning a slave. I am in fact not even trying to justify owning a slave.
What I am simply saying is that for thousands of years it was a common practice, only in the last couple of hundred years or so has it become frowned upon.

I also am saying not one of you has cited ma a Single Reference to where God said it was SINFUL.

There were also quite a few blacks who fought on the Confederate side. In fact, N B Forrest had some black men in his cavalry, & I am not talking about being in the camp to polish boots, etc. They carried arms & rode with him into battle, stood guard duty while he & others slept, thus their lives were at times in their hands. Many will try & Deny that a black ever served as a Confederate Soldier but it is recorded fact. They were NOT segregated as were the blacks who served in the Union as soldiers, they did not have separate all-black units. In Neither army was a black ever commissioned as an officer, they were only allowed to achieve the rank of a Sgt.

Lincoln himself stated publically that the Blacks were an inferior race & could NEVER co-exist with White men on an Equal basis. He wanted them all to be exported, either back to Africa or to the Caribbeans.

Not so well known as it is not & likely never will be mentioned by a Politically Correct media or history books is that N B Forrest was picked as the KeyNote speaker for a group formed following the war for the purpose of advancing the Black Race. They were holding a meeting in Memphis TN. Forrest's speech was short but to the point, he told them simply they could be whatever they desired to be, Doctors, Lawers etc that they were willing to Work for. He DID NOT tell them they were inferior in any way & could never achieve any status above that of a common laborer.

I am Stating Very Strongly, that this matter of passing judgment on the PAST, by Modern standards is doing far more Harm than Good.

Would the Nation have been better off had slavery never been introduced, In My Opinion, Yes. Fact is it Was. Did the fact that someone of that era owned a slave Automatically make them a Sinner in the sight of God,
"NO".
When my Triple Great Grandfather committed Adultery with his slave was that a Sin, According to the word of God, Yes. Not because he owned a slave, but because he committed Adultery. Did he ever repent & gain forgiveness, I have not the foggiest idea, God knows.

As to that case I have never heard any details as to whether it was by mutual consent, was done forcefully or however. I only know it occurred & their offspring, a Son, was brought into the family home & raised along with his half-siblings. I have a picture of him & his wife after he was grown & married.

Drew, I believe I have addressed every question you have asked me so;
I Rest my Case.

stan, your post above is excellent...

I am going to cure some blues Sunday. Picking chanterelles and catching big river gar. Anyone close.... come on over

I'm lucky I have a depraved sense of humor because I am ROTFLMAO. Jesus loves him some slaves eh Miller?

You know, I wonder if them sex traffickers are spiritual fellows? I'm pretty sure they find that the opposite sex to be inferior and just, oh so full of hope that they can be all they can be and please a guy. If their pimp's truly feel this way, can a guy that interprets the bible like you, see godliness in forced prostitution? And likewise, is it a sin to use their services or is it a sin to not use services now? If god wants em to be slaves.... maybe its best to be safe and do what god wants you to do...


Gotta love religion....

67G, can you post some photos of the chanterelles, if you find any? I'd like to see what they look like. Wouldn't mind seeing the gars either. Do they eat? Maybe a new thread. This one was done before it started.

I’m going to order some motorcycle parts and drink cold beer.

https://www.samurider.com/?p=28079

(diggin’ the 80’s black and gold vibe)


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https://youtu.be/SsmVgoXDq2w

They sure are, worship at the altar of the left. Upstanding types, always willing to drop some cash in the re-election basket.

How'd this thread get from bikinis on the river beach to slavery?

Long as we have to deal with reparations how about the indians, the irish, the chinese, the italians, the serfs from the dark ages, the jews, people invaded by the romans, Able's family, and on and on. The evil man has done over his existence and what we've learned from it is why we are such a lovely example of a species now.

I feel guilty over some of the things I have done and seek forgiveness. I feel guilty over nothing people 150 years ago did or fought for...Geo

p.s.: Many caucasians have about 2% Neanderthal genes. Reparations for genocide for those with the lucky 2%?

The Nazi sympathizer supports the racist puke. Priceless.

holyjOe,
Who can ever forget your racist manifesto on the inferiority of African Americans.
You remember, your top ten of inferiority. Don't be bashful, restate your views.

My little lying Keith,
Genetically inferior? Where in history have we heard that phrase before, huh Vilhelm?
You can spot genetic inferiority how? Not just a Moralist but a Geneticist.
You're a busy guy.

Crying Lying Bob, so now you say I'm a Nazi sympathizer???

I trust you came prepared to back up that statement...

Oh, wait, I forgot... you can't back up what you don't have.

However, you do provide some proof with your posts. Proof of genetic inferiority that is... even when compared to most house plants... intelligence-wise.

Even transgender nca225 has noticed your genetic inferiority Crying Lying Bob, and obviously that's why he/she has been posting more frequently. Finally, Nancy-boy has someone to make him/her feel smart, (and manly) by comparison....

...which ain't sayin' much.

Get me that address bOoby....

From last summer:

You can eat gar, if you're that hardup, but don't eat their eggs. They're deadly poison. Couple ol' boys here cooked some up one time ..... nearly died.

SRH

"It ain't killed us yet"

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Swa...C&FORM=VIRE

Did you catch the secret ingredient in the batter? Love the ashtray right next to the mixing bowl.

Only the tenderloins on them

hits gonna be 95 here tomorrow in southern nh...

plan to crawl under da porch an stay der...

I was so ugly when I was born they put me under the porch for three days .............. to see if I was gonna bark or cry.

They had to hang a pork chop around my neck to get the dog to play with me.

SRH

Doing business with a Nazi, while he is cheering on the death of Jews makes you a Nazi sympathizer.

Nazi keith’s post # 4#9##5



But don't worry, the Nazi's truly thought that the Jews were inferior and wanted to keep on serving their masters like they did before in Egypt. So the like the good Christians they were, they did God's work and enslaved them and exterminated the ones who didn't serve enough. God loves you like no tomorrow.

Is that backed up enough for you? Scumbag !!
No problem at all rummaging through your Nazi buddies ill gotten gain for the parts you needed.
How is it again you are of superior moral character?

And he was bragging about it to JamesM, who in the past has been called out for antiseptic statements here.

Amen....pass the plate

Sorry bOoby...

I'm going to miss seeing the pictures of an original model 21 you plan to destroy for the sake of making a few bucks by upgrading it.

brent...sorry you dont like this thread...

its sorta like stan's sand bar...

all can come here, be themselves, have some fun...

go if they like...come again if they like...

everything is cool...so long as we dont piss off dave...

all hail dave...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9sd10CHAP8