www.bloombergquint.com/businessweek/your...t#gs.vS7cDR0OT-My suspicious mind had wondered when this might happen. This is likely how that bomber in Florida was found so quickly.
Army got my DNA fifty years ago. I'll try not to mail any bombs...Geo
If they even have a relative's DNA you're at some risk now. They can, evidently, now use your family tree to find you.
not the first time,
i expect eventually they will find an excuse to collect every new born's DNA
For those of us who have no plans to send bombs of murder anyone, it would seem rather innocuous to have your DNA tested. But unfortunately, someday in the future, you may find that health care is rationed by Socialist Democrats who would base spending and allowable procedures upon your genetics and probable health and longevity.
Of course, it could also be a problem if you claim to be Cherokee Indian like Pocahontas Elizabeth Warren, and it turns out to be a lie.
IF you were in the Military they, them, those, have your DNA
Mike
I don't think DNA was taken in the civil war, George, or even in the Vietnam area. Best they could get was blood type and finger prints for us. DNA identification for military evolved in the first Gulf War.
Gil, I was NOT involved in the Civil War! I just take poor pictures. Memory ain't much either, but I think I remember them telling me my blood was tested and filed for DNA in the early '70s. Maybe not though...Geo
George, you are confusing DNA with Lt. Dan....Run, Forrest, run...
My Father did most of 20 years active duty with the WRONG blood type stamped on his dog tags.
That said, the placenta that followed my child out of his mother’s womb had a bunch of testing done and products harvested from it, including stem cells. I’d bet they could duplicate the kid with it, if they tried. The doctor made it sound so important, I asked what it was worth to him.
He didn’t offer anything.
Best,
Ted
Yeah, mine came back 1/1024 Democrat. Very embarrassed until I remembered in my youth a Democrats were normal people, not screaming protesters seeing that one who accepts God is guilty of a hate crime.
Yup, can o worms. Gonna have to reprint all manner of forms to have just a male and female choice, no cheating under penalty of big bro.
I don't think DNA was taken in the civil war, George, or even in the Vietnam area. Best they could get was blood type and finger prints for us. DNA identification for military evolved in the first Gulf War.
Doing a quick search, it would appear that the above is the correct answer: DNA samples weren't collected before 1991. If you served subsequent to that time, DNA was supposed to be collected upon enlistment, reenlistment, or prior to deployment. Bot Active and Reserve. I was in the Army Reserve until 1998. But as an officer, I neither enlisted nor reenlisted during that period. My unit was alerted for Bosnia, but we didn't go and never began actual preparation for deployment. So it looks like they missed me.
When I first started practicing law, one tool in establishing paternity, or more accurately, lack of paternity was done by blood testing. This would rule out paternity, but not establish. Later in the 1970s, the main tool in establishing paternity (or lack thereof) was the HLA (Human leukocyte antigen) test which could rule out paternity and narrow down likelihood of paternity when the simple blood typing analysis broke down and couldn't rule out paternity. HLA testing is done today in organ transplant suitability. In the 80s, DNA analysis began developing and has progressively gotten better over the years as more and more alleles could be compared. I defended a rape case involving a 1 and 600 quadrillion analysis that established the frequency of the tested alleles of dna in the general population compared against his and that found near the victim's cervix. Here's the image of a quadrillion pennies stacked in space.
https://www.google.com/search?q=quadrill...280&bih=579
My daughter gave me a 23andme test for Xmas last year. No surprises, except that I was grievously disappointed to learn that my family has little Neanderthal DNA. I have always considered them the most extraordinarily accomplished members of the human lineage, surviving for 300,000 years in an ice age by hunting very large dangerous mammals. And then we came along and ate them.
Ditto from my daughter last Christmas. I was looking for family-acknowledged indigenous connection of the last 100-plus years. We have photos of generations back to native costumes. Not there.
Don't be so paranoid. It is the future.
Your ills will be treated at the gene level. Some, prenatally.
You'll never see another deaf kid, or one with Down's Syndrome.
No more dwarfs. No Huntington's, no PKU's, no Tay Sachs, etc.
Your progeny will be perfected, the resistance is futile.
FWIW, Your culture is impressed on you, your genes are facts.
Don't be afraid of facts.
That said, the placenta that followed my child out of other’s womb had a bunch of testing done and products harvested from it, including stem cells. I’d bet they could duplicate the kid with it, if they tried. The doctor made it sound so important, I asked what it was worth to him.
He didn’t offer anything.
Best,
Ted
Ted you shoulda tried Planned Parenthood. You have to go to where the market is...Geo
Likely I was such an exemplary soldier they just wanted to clone me?...Geo
1 to 1 1/2 percent Neanderthal is quite common with European backgrounds. Both my wife [German] and I [Sweden] showed a similar percentage of Neanderthal. Some authorities say the Neanderthal was more intelligent than [censored] Sapiens, but due to an unfortunate chromosome characteristic, the Neanderthal's birth rate became lower than its death rate. Many thousands of years later, the Neanderthal was gone with only cross breeding traces in [censored] Sapiens to show for their efforts. ---------------Well, I did not write Censored, what a silly thing.
That’s some low grade AI. Censors H.O.M.O. but not German and Sweden.
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Ditto from my daughter last Christmas. I was looking for family-acknowledged indigenous connection of the last 100-plus years. We have photos of generations back to native costumes. Not there.
No mi'kmaq genes, eh?
What a surprise. Shades of Pocahantas Elizabeth Warren.
Have yourself checked for presence of B.S. genes or anti-2nd Amendment genes. You won't be so disappointed.
John Roberts tried to have his DNR tested but the tester claimed he couldn't test him...
Because he whined tOO much.
Darryl, my understanding is that while considered quite intelligent, perhaps more so than H0mo Sapiens, the current thinking is that in some critical ways they were less adaptable. One way this manifested itself was our ability to live together in larger groups, while H.N stayed in much smaller, family groups that were much more susceptible to problems....like say being attacked and wiped out by predatory groups of H.S.
Canvasback, I am not an expert, but have read on the genetics side and talked with a friend who is a PHD in that area. The theory involved the RH Negative [think Rhesus Monkey] being held by the Neanderthal. Cross breeding with RH positive HS developed Neanderthal mothers who would then form antibodies preventing future births. The lack of fertile mothers then led to the depletion of the Species. This phenomena is present today with RH negative females mated to RH positive males, but modern medicine helps curb this possibility. After the first birth, the mother develops antibodies , affecting the future births from a RH positive father. The RH positive is the dominant gene. Tens or hundreds of thousands years later, the Neanderthal just lost out.
Now, don't criticize my explanation of this theory, because I have told you all I know or remember. I'm sure Google has some better , more clear explanations.
I always liked Raymond Dart's explanation of the HN extinction...Geo
Daryl,the fact that they were around for 3-400,000 years would argue against a sudden genetic problem wiping out a very widespread species. I am inclined to agree with Canvasback: throughout prehistory, when H. sapiens showed up anywhere, the large animals soon disappeared (the exception was Africa, where animals had time to co-evolve with hunting humans and develop appropriate antipredator responses). My bet is that H. sapiens simply killed off H. neanderthalensis the way we did nearly all other big stuff around the world. The domestication of dogs might have been a factor, as they dramatically changed human hunting (and presumably raiding) dynamics.
All conjecture, and no solid evidence on the demise of Neanderthals. It's just possible that subspecies was more susceptible to certain viruses and diseases. They did co-exist and even interbred with h*mo sapiens for tens of thousands of years. There are many places besides Africa where large animals thrived in the presence of h*mo sapiens for many millenia, such as right here on the American continent, which held tens of millions of buffalo until market hunters with guns wiped them out. But all things considered, I think it's safe to blame our pro-gun President Donald Trump for their extinction, since the Liberal Left blames him for everything else under the sun.
In fact, the predatory groups of h*mo sapiens that canvasback speculated about killing Neanderthals were probably coming from a Trump rally. Tune in to CNN for details.
A few months ago a friend of mine received a call from a woman that Had tracked him down as her father Through DNA serches. She was an unknown
daughter that he did not know about. The unwed mother had given her up at birth and had been adopted by a family directly from the hospital. They have now visited and have a great relationship
"I think it's safe to blame our pro-gun President Donald Trump for their extinction, since the Liberal Left blames him for everything else under the sun.
In fact, the predatory groups of h*mo sapiens that canvasback speculated about killing Neanderthals were probably coming from a Trump rally. Tune in to CNN for details"
Love it!!!!! That's about right. I'm sure CNN and MSNBC will find some "proof" that Trump has a time machine and went back in time to nail Christ to the cross. Whoops, made a mistake, they don't believe in Christ or God, me bad! Sorry!
Some here probably know that one of my children is a neuroscientist. Currently studying and writing about the evolution of the neanderthal brain.
Naturally I asked what happened to them.
I was told there were fewer around, and, slowly, they were subsumed into the HS genepool. The why is a guess, but it's a rapidly advancing field.
So, it's entirely possible that new revelations are just around the corner.
But, for now, the working hypothesis is just that they were diluted out.
Keith - yep, bison, moose, grizzlies survived but the Americas lost over thirty genera of large mammals (elephants, rhinos, giant ground sloths, armadillos the size of a VW, bigger buffalo, a bunch of large predators, including sabertooths, a very large bear and lions) within a few thousand years after humans arrived. We had a large mammal diversity comparable to Africa until that time. Same thing happened in Australia and New Guinea, including huge lizards and snakes. We wiped a lot of very large birds (e.g. moas in New Zealand, dodos on Mauritius), and large tortoises on many islands, as soon as we arrived. The process was slower in Eurasia, presumably because it took a long time for the human population to increase and the animals had some time to evolve behavioral responses. The story has been the same all over the world - when humans arrived, first the big stuff went, then a lot of smaller stuff especially on islands, due to things liked deforestation. Haiti and other Caribbean islands are prime examples.
You never hear about wingshooting vacations to Italy. Just sayin'
"I think it's safe to blame our pro-gun President Donald Trump for their extinction, since the Liberal Left blames him for everything else under the sun.
In fact, the predatory groups of h*mo sapiens that canvasback speculated about killing Neanderthals were probably coming from a Trump rally. Tune in to CNN for details"
Love it!!!!! That's about right. I'm sure CNN and MSNBC will find some "proof" that Trump has a time machine and went back in time to nail Christ to the cross. Whoops, made a mistake, they don't believe in Christ or God, me bad! Sorry!
I don't watch much tv and don't subscribe to cable tv. So on my 20 hour drive to the Sandhills and the 20 hour return trip, I got my fill of Fox, CNN and MSNBC on satellite radio. Now here's the confession.....I thought you guys were getting carried away about CNN.
Please accept my apologies. I have never heard more outrageous BS being passed off as news and informed commentary. You spend 40 min listening to CNN in the evening and then Fox news seems INCREDIBLY balanced by comparison. It was shocking.
Some here probably know that one of my children is a neuroscientist. Currently studying and writing about the evolution of the neanderthal brain.
Naturally I asked what happened to them.
I was told there were fewer around, and, slowly, they were subsumed into the HS genepool. The why is a guess, but it's a rapidly advancing field.
So, it's entirely possible that new revelations are just around the corner.
But, for now, the working hypothesis is just that they were diluted out.
I didn't know that about your son. Fascinating. Seems like he must be the go to guy for questions like this. I'll have to tell my son (he's 14) about someone actually making a career of this stuff as he's fanatical about it.
Son? Daughter? Does it matter?
CZ - please let us know here when your family neuroscientist publishes - fascinating stuff.
Keith - yep, bison, moose, grizzlies survived but the Americas lost over thirty genera of large mammals (elephants, rhinos, giant ground sloths, armadillos the size of a VW, bigger buffalo, a bunch of large predators, including sabertooths, a very large bear and lions) within a few thousand years after humans arrived. We had a large mammal diversity comparable to Africa until that time. Same thing happened in Australia and New Guinea, including huge lizards and snakes. We wiped a lot of very large birds (e.g. moas in New Zealand, dodos on Mauritius), and large tortoises on many islands, as soon as we arrived. The process was slower in Eurasia, presumably because it took a long time for the human population to increase and the animals had some time to evolve behavioral responses. The story has been the same all over the world - when humans arrived, first the big stuff went, then a lot of smaller stuff especially on islands, due to things liked deforestation. Haiti and other Caribbean islands are prime examples.
It's all very interesting, and very open to debate and speculation. The arrival of humans in North America was very thin and spotty for many thousands of years before their population density, and the efficiency of their weapons, could conceivably account for many of these extinctions during the late Pleistocene and Holocene. Humans are indeed very efficient and relentless predators, but there was also advances and retreats of glaciation, the Quaternary extinction event, massive wildfires due to rapid climate change (which had nothing to do with scant human activity), worldwide volcanic activity, and even possible cosmic events like meteor impacts. The mere presence of charred bones in ancient fire pits could indicate hunting, or scavenging of animals that died from other causes, or more likely, both.
But having seen how quickly hunters legally made a healthy population of wild ringneck pheasants nearly extinct in my state after the killing of hens was permitted, I would never argue that man couldn't wipe out a species. Sad that our game commission could never acknowledge and rectify that error.
James, thanks for your observations on the disgusting propaganda machines we have here. Media bias has been bad for a long time, but it has gotten really insane since Trump was elected. When you have even Ted Koppel chiding CNN for their 24/7/365 anti-Trump diatribes, you know it's bad. But sadly, there are people who only listen to one side of it, and they will never give themselves the chance to consider that it may not be factual. I typically flip between different news networks to avoid commercials, and am no stranger to the totally different ways the same exact events are reported. It's obviously no accident.
When Trump calls them Fake News and the Enemy of the People, he is probably being much too kind to them. They actually think he has no business to call them out on their dishonesty, and place no blame upon themselves. What is really bizarre is that they still consider themselves journalists.
I typically don't say much about HER online because she's quite private. It just happened that she txted me today to say she was having a Neanderthal brain evolution article published in a high power factor journal. So it was an odd coincidence.
She's done work on Sinaesthesia as well. So, if anyone here sees colored letters when they type, or hear's blue notes in a song, get in touch via pm.
Keith - I agree that other factors were probably involved, like species ranges reduced by ice, making small populations more vulnerable. But big mammals breed very slowly, and people no doubt acted like other predators and focused on the babies - much safer. It takes a couple of hunters to distract mom while another kills the kid - lions hyenas, killer whales, and wolves use this tactic, and highly efficient human hunters with dogs could have had much of their impact this way. We probably also wiped out whole herds at a time, like the buffalo jumps in the west. Once favored prey species were seriously reduced by man, predators may then have turned to smaller prey, further impacting those species.
I would not assume that human numbers remained low very long - humans found two whole continents full of naive prey and could have increased in number and range rapidly due to abundant food. Fascinating to speculate about, and our generation is witnessing the end stages of the process.
You can assume all kinds of scenarios....but the genetic DNA link shows divine intervention not of this world.
Religious people claim it all came out of the middle east created by one God....of course it's their God.
Darwinian's claim man just crawled out of a mud hole a million years ago.
Common sense tells me because of the different races of people and various ancient religions on this planet that Earth was seeded by several different Gods...aka Aliens to our planet.
CZ, my apologies for my assumption. You must be very proud of HER!
I've already been laughing at jOe's use of "pristiness...." in the English gun thread but this one makes my morning. "Common sense tells me......" You can't make this stuff up. Thanks for the chuckles jOe.
BTW, Darwin specifically does not tell us than man crawled out of a mud hole a million years ago.
And I'm pretty sure there are billions of religious people today who would disagree about your one god from the Middle East theory. Come on jOe, at least try. Bwahahahaha!
You can assume all kinds of scenarios....but the genetic DNA link shows divine intervention not of this world.
Religious people claim it all came out of the middle east created by one God....of course it's their God.
Darwinian's claim man just crawled out of a mud hole a million years ago.
Common sense tells me because of the different races of people and various ancient religions on this planet that Earth was seeded by several different Gods...aka Aliens to our planet.
Not all large mammal species are in decline:
But whether you believe in Darwinism, or a Divine gift of dominion of man over all other species, we shouldn't be surprised when humans overtake those other species. The question is whether our superior intelligence and abilities will lead us to replenish that which we've depleted, or whether we will destroy ourselves first. I think it will probably be a pandemic due to antibiotic resistance. Or perhaps some new strain of virus that overwhelms us due to overpopulation and global travel that will thin our herd considerably. The Yellowstone supervolcano is a bit overdue as well. If some of us survive, we may learn a few lessons and go on.
My wife bought me an "Ancestry" test for a present. It turns out that I am descended from all the various folks that the Brits replaced with sheep in the northern British Isles (Farewell, you bonny ewe!). And have a really excellent chance of sharing genes with Neanderthals.
She say she wasn't surprised a bit by either finding....
Well, I'm with the American Indians on this. They're not voluntarily getting DNA from me.
This is from a 2018 report about the accuracy of these tests. The question was asked "What are the privacy issues with these tests?"
The companies offering these tests largely make their money not from doing the tests, but from selling the genetic information to other companies interested in having access to large genetic databases. Almost 50 percent of the firms that sell you your ancestry information turn around and sell your genetic information to some other company.
Often these are pharmaceutical companies trying to understand how variations in certain sections of the human genome may be useful in drug development. (Certain drugs may not function as well in a person carrying certain mutations, so the companies want to find the frequency of these mutations in the population.) Only about 10 percent of the companies that offer ancestry tests destroy your original sample; the vast majority hold onto your sample or sell it. So it’s not just the data, but your actual saliva, that’s being shopped around.
The companies offering testing services often go up for sale, and their privacy policies typically indicate that they bear no responsibility for your privacy once the company is sold—anything you signed is not reliable anymore. Many of the companies have privacy policies that state they can be changed at any time without notifying previous signers. In effect, you need to keep in contact with the company and keep yourself up-to-date on its policy. How many people are going to do that?
There’s also a lot of concern that even though your name is not listed on the database, when the data is sold to somebody, the records can be de-anonymized. It has happened before—people have been able to take genetic information with no name on it and, through other databases, find the name associated with that genetic material.
No, thank you.
SRH
If you are not guilty of something then what could it matter ?
I don't seem to have any opinion on the wisdom of DNA testing. However, if I get it done it sure won't be by that Louis Gates guy on TV. He enjoys it way too much...Geo
If you are not guilty of something then what could it matter ?
If you think proving guilt or innocence is the only thing DNA is being used for you need to get out more.
SRH
If you are not guilty of something then what could it matter ?
If you think proving guilt or innocence is the only thing DNA is being used for you need to get out more.
SRH
Stan, jOe is taking direction from his alien overlords and they've told him not to worry about DNA testing or research or how it could possibly be misused. They have it all well in hand. Doesn't matter what we do...the aliens are in charge. Hahahaha!
I’m beginning to think Bergevin is an alien. Or he’s not as dumb as I thought. Team M and the Yzerman built Lightning play for first place in the Atlantic tomorrow night.
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DNA is definitely working in hockey. Didn't TSN place three of the NHL's Top 10---Colin, Sidney and Nathan--- from the Halifax suburb of Cole Harbour? (My grandson played street hockey with Sidney, his five against Sid. He said The Kid always won.)
DNA is definitely working in hockey. Didn't TSN place three of the NHL's Top 10---Colin, Sidney and Nathan--- from the Halifax suburb of Cole Harbour? (My grandson played street hockey with Sidney, his five against Sid. He said The Kid always won.)
I'll say...just look at the scoring statistics of Bobby and Brett Hull. Two of the all time goal scoring leaders and father and son.
You are slipping James. I think you meant the Hanson Brothers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUbn5ss8j9c
You may not remember but last year I posted footage of canvasback buying Van Halen tickets at the mall from a scalper circa 1980. Through tireless effort and research I have uncovered evidence of jOe discussing aliens with his high (hi?) school buddies.
https://youtu.be/Cm3dh3wQwOMI think that kid in the back by the car at about:54 is canvasback.
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You may not remember but last year I posted footage of canvasback buying Van Halen tickets at the mall from a scalper circa 1980. Through tireless effort and research I have uncovered evidence of jOe discussing aliens with his high (hi?) school buddies.
https://youtu.be/Cm3dh3wQwOMI think that kid in the back by the car at about:54 is canvasback.
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https://youtu.be/MviBlaTIV-s Hahahaha! How'd you know LR. That movie is set in my graduating year.
If you are not guilty of something then what could it matter ?
If you think proving guilt or innocence is the only thing DNA is being used for you need to get out more.
SRH
Stan, jOe is taking direction from his alien overlords and they've told him not to worry about DNA testing or research or how it could possibly be misused. They have it all well in hand. Doesn't matter what we do...the aliens are in charge. Hahahaha!
It might be bad if the Canadian government found out your DNA proved you were a moron....
I'm 1/1024 alien. Does that count?