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Posted By: 28 gauge shooter A raining day sxs - 09/29/18 12:16 AM
Say
I was reading another post where some folks use a rainy day gun verses using a best gun or higher dollar gun. This concept has never crossed my mind, rain shine or humid the sxs I bought are made to hunt with. And I hunt no matter what the weather is.

Am I the only one that hunts my sxs and don't own a rainy day gun?
Posted By: Recoil Rob Re: A raining day sxs - 09/29/18 12:37 AM
I'll agree with that, the only exception I make is hunting waterfowl in salt water. I have guns put aside for that, it's tough on blueing.
Posted By: Dr. P Re: A raining day sxs - 09/29/18 01:10 AM
A rainy day gun is just another excuse to buy another side-by-side!

You know one needs a grouse gun, a pheasant gun, a quail gun or two, a pair of guns for driven shooting, at least one water-fowler, and a light long barreled 20 gauge dove gun.

Of course, then there are the various target games that can be shot with SxSs: trap, skeet, bunker trap, sporting clays....

The thing is I’m running out of good excuses but still find side by sides I ‘d like to put in the safe.

Nonetheless, I do agree with the old saying, “Beware of the man with one gun” (He will out shoot you every time!)
Posted By: 2-piper Re: A raining day sxs - 09/29/18 01:28 AM
For the most part, the guns I have used over the years as my "Go To" guns are what many here would refer to as their Rainy Day guns. It is rare indeed that I shoot anything other than a SxS, & even then it generally belongs to someone else, who wanted me to try it.
Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: A raining day sxs - 09/29/18 01:51 AM
No dedicated rainy day gun for me. Whatever gun I decide to take on a rainy day is my rainy day gun. It will get a good coat or two of Johnson's paste wax before I leave, and get disassembled, dried, cleaned and lubed when I return.

One of my most valuable guns is also a favorite duck gun, a Fox HE grade with 32" barrels and 3" chambers. Hunting with duck boats is rough on equipment, including the guns. But, I didn't buy it to sit in the safe.



SRH
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: A raining day sxs - 09/29/18 02:32 AM
How about a “Hunting with friends unruly Labs” gun? I’ve seen multiple stocks broken and legs lifted on guns, good, and otherwise, by Lab dogs.
One German Shorthair was an excitable Duffus as well.
My gun for said occasions:



An Uggy Falcon 12.



Best,
Ted
Posted By: B. Dudley Re: A raining day sxs - 09/29/18 02:45 AM
I have some high condition guns that I enjoy shooting clays with and hunting with occationally. But for some hunting, grouse and woodcock specifically, i resort to an absolutely roached out Parker VH that I own. It is light for carrying and fits well for shooting. But with all the crap you can get caught in during that sort of hunting, it is best to not worry about protecting the gun from brush, weather or a fall.
Posted By: LeFusil Re: A raining day sxs - 09/29/18 03:12 AM
Upland hunting in rain sucks anyway, just don’t go. I cannot think of even one, remotely successful day afield upland hunting while it was raining. I’ve had many great days just before and after rain...but never during. Snow days can be good and your gun will look like it got rained on, but like the other guys said, who cares! Take em apart, clean em, dry em, lube em, and get them ready for the next day. For really nasty stuff, I have 2 plastic fantastics (Winny Sx2 and Beretta 390) that are both reliable as a Toyota. I literally drove over the Sx2 (short story, still embarrassing :-) ) and it took that lickin in stride.
Posted By: keith Re: A raining day sxs - 09/29/18 04:38 AM
A rainy day gun is an absolute necessity. It is a tool, just like a raincoat or an umbrella.

It is also necessary to own at least one "Rainy Day Loan It To Your Brother-in-law Gun". Of course, this includes at least a rifle and a shotgun, at bare minimum. You'll thank me for this when he breaks a beater instead of something that you really like.
Posted By: 67galaxie Re: A raining day sxs - 09/29/18 05:16 AM
Good job Stan
Posted By: L. Brown Re: A raining day sxs - 09/29/18 10:59 AM
Originally Posted By: LeFusil
Upland hunting in rain sucks anyway, just don’t go. I cannot think of even one, remotely successful day afield upland hunting while it was raining.


Agree. I remember a rainy pheasant hunt, rooster running out from under a point in a fencerow, across an open pasture. Figured he had to be a cripple and opened fire. One of the dumbest things I ever did was walk uncut corn in the rain, opening weekend of pheasant season.

Re dogs and guns . . . I recall taking a break on a grouse hunt, partner had a young shorthair. He should've been paying more attention to his pup . . . gnawing on his stock.
Posted By: 28 gauge shooter Re: A raining day sxs - 09/29/18 12:20 PM
The logic is sound, for a rainy day gun. I grew up with serious grouse hunters who hunted sun up till dark or had a limit of birds rain or shine All carried sxs, from Airasoga (sp), AYAs, and Holland and Hollands which I saw the fall and result of a broken stock on that little 20 royal.

I hate it when I ding my guns but it happens. Rain soaked stocks looks bad but after it drys out I rub them down with linseed oil-oil everything down inside and out if possible and check it a few days latter for a another wip down.
Posted By: Eric 375 Re: A raining day sxs - 09/29/18 12:31 PM
I have one rough gun. A 1970's built Gaspar Aragaza sidelock with all the bells and whistles: ejectors, side clips, chopper lump barrels, beautiful wood and excellent finish. There are many like it and I do take very good care of it. After a very wet day I remove the locks and trigger plate, clean and oil it outside and let it dry out. Great gun and a very good shooter. My English made guns I reserve for good weather. There are just not that many hand made guns from these makers to subject them to harsh conditions when any of the better Spanish guns are available. It also my loaner when a hunter is needed by a family member or a friend for a day on the course or in the field.
Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: A raining day sxs - 09/29/18 12:52 PM
The most beautiful S x S I ever saw was a Parker that was carried by my old quail hunting buddy, much my senior. It was his only shotgun, and was a graded 20 ga. bought for him by his Dad when he was 14 years old at a hardware store on Broad Street in Augusta, GA. Mr. Tom carried it everyday he hunted, for the rest of his life. There was not a spot of bluing , case color or wood finish left on that gun, but it had a glow only attained by a lifetime of everyday use, rain or shine. His son buried Mr. Tom in his briar britches, bird hunting coat, and with that Parker lying next to him. I'll never forget him, or it.

I've got my Grandaddy's bird gun, a 16 ga. Rem. M11, in much the same condition. Nothing wrong with having a rainy day gun, but I'm kinda with LeFusil on this one. And, somehow I think my grandkids would rather have one of my well used bird guns that a pristine example that still looks NIB. Just a matter of perspective, I guess.

Best, SRH
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: A raining day sxs - 09/29/18 02:50 PM
My only, actual double on ruffed grouse happened on a very rainy day, years ago, in Pine County, MN.; in the company of my first Setter, a Gordon called "Stoke":



There are a few things you can tell from the photo. A Darne R10 was used, it is raining hard enough for everything to be soaked, and there are two grouse on my leg. We quit after the photo, just too unpleasant to be out.
Even better than my shooting that day, was the performance of that dog, who pointed bird number one, a nice easy for me crossing left shot, stayed on point until bird number two flushed, a not so easy crossing right shot for me, then retrieved bird number one, bringing it to rest on top of bird number two, picking up both and bringing them to me.
Yes, there are witnesses. It was a heck of a feat, from start to rain soaked end. I bought that dog when I was 27, he died when I was 43, and was the best bird dog I have ever been around. Mean as hell, but, absolute best.

I miss him.

Another snowy/rainy day, another Setter:



This was "Gypsy", a Sando dog, although I will be candid, and state I'm not sure what Rod Sando, former DNR commisioner in Minnesota was attempting to do. She was a mutt in English setter terms, with outcrosses to completely unrelated hunting and show stock. She was a healthy dog her entire life, durable as a truck, and, outside of breed standard for an English female, 75 lbs in her prime. She was a specialist on pheasants, and developed a style on late season running roosters that put them on hold, a set and relocate trick that fooled those birds into sitting tight. If she ever handled a grouse well, I missed it, but, she lived through a time when the grouse population plummeted and stayed there, so, we hunted pheasants. She is shown on a day that started out with freezing rain on top of snow, that quickly cooled to sub zero temps, and turned into a blizzard that persisted for two days.

Yes, we continued hunting. When you found birds, usually holed up in a piece of low slew in a picked corn field, you found 150 of them. The dogs would point into a howling wind from 50 yards, and we would move in.

She wasn't wet at this point. But, I had to walk back to the car, and dry her off, and warm her up for perhaps an hour when she became hypothermic. You have to watch Setters for that in Minnesota.

A sweet dog, that never hurt a fly, but, was a super pheasant hunter.


This one pointed this bird twice before I got it:




The orange belton Setter is tough to see in a snow storm. Before this photo of "Louise" or Louie, was taken, the day featured light rain, mostly a mist, that turned into big, heavy, clumps of snow some time later. The dog went on point, but, I could not see her. The bird fushed perhaps twenty yards to my right, and the dog had pointed the bird from perhaps 30-35 yards. Wet conditions are good scent conditions. Later, the sun came out, it warmed up, and I could see the dog's second point on what I think was the same bird, perhaps 1/2 mile from the first point.

My experience only, but, while just as bird crazy as the Gordon, neither English I owned was as intelligent, or as natural a retriever as the Gordon. They are/were, much more pleasant housedogs, and take to strangers, women and children better than my Gordon did. The Gordon truly hated all three, and when the house I bought was rural, and had been broken into 7 times, according to the previous owner, the Gordon ended that run. He wouldn't fit into the neighborhood as it is today.

Rain and snow don't slow me down too much. Most of my hunts are pre-planned, and if I don't go, I won't get to go. Woods and fields are empty of other hunters, save crazy people like me. I have done very well, and, been skunked on wet days, same as dry days.

I have a gun or two that doesn't go out in the rain. Most of them, do.

Best,
Ted


Posted By: tut Re: A raining day sxs - 09/29/18 08:05 PM
I've got a tricked out Sterlingworth 20 gauge ejector Fox that I had engraved as a second generation A grade and restocked. I carry that 90 percent of the time hunting. However, if I have really nasty nasty weather I carry a 20 gauge Sterlingworth Savage made gun that is virtually identical to the upgraded Sterly, except its a gray original gun with about 90 percent barrel blueing. Weight is identical at 5 lb 13 oz for either gun.

PS. Here is the upgraded 20 Sterly.



And the entire gun with my Lew Sophie (the real star of the show).

Posted By: L. Brown Re: A raining day sxs - 09/29/18 08:46 PM
Snow is definitely a different story. I can remember the 2nd day of the Iowa pheasant season about 20 years ago. We were supposed to get flurries, which ended up close to 10" of heavy, wet stuff. We slipped and slid getting to the farm we were going to hunt, but it was a great day. We each had two in the bag when my shorthair locked up along a fencerow with heavy cover. One rooster went right, the other left. I dropped mine, yelled at my partner "Did you get yours?" He did. "Then let's get the hell out of here!"

Snow can be great when it first comes, but it can be a real pain in the derriere when it sticks around, crusts over, etc.
Posted By: Karl Graebner Re: A raining day sxs - 09/29/18 10:29 PM
Tut,
That second picture is perfect!
Karl
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: A raining day sxs - 09/30/18 12:34 AM
I think it is two views of the same picture.

Good one, all the same.

Best,
Ted
Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: A raining day sxs - 09/30/18 01:09 AM
What some would call a rainy day duck gun, I guess. But, I just enjoy it for what it is, a $255 dog nuts tough old double.

32" Westernfield New Model 12 ga.

Posted By: 28 gauge shooter Re: A raining day sxs - 09/30/18 01:37 PM
Stan
Do you run steel through your sxs ?
Posted By: Mike A. Re: A raining day sxs - 09/30/18 03:53 PM
I'm with Keith on this one. Lots of us can't choose when we hunt, so hunting upland in the rain is necessary if it is raining on "the day you've got." Beats the crap out of a day sitting at a computer or on the phone working, whether you score any birds or not. And I usually have got something, even in the rain.

Just make sure your "rain gun" fits and functions as well as your purty ones! You need to choose it just as carefully as those!
Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: A raining day sxs - 09/30/18 07:45 PM
Originally Posted By: 28 gauge shooter
Stan
Do you run steel through your sxs ?


Some of them. The one that has seen the most is the 12 ga. BSS with 30" barrels. I've shot that sucker off face on the right barrel with heavy steel loads, shimmed the hook, and keep on. Never a problem with the barrels. I did have the left barrel opened to the same constriction as the right was originally, .018". That's tight enough for steel in my book. I've got a Ithaca SKB 200E that can handle steel, too.

I load bismuth for my vintage S x Ss.

Been toying with the idea of seeing if I can get Dickinson to build me a "bespoke" duck/pigeon gun ......................32" barrels, pistol grip, flat file cut rib, with really dense wood to get it up to about 8 1/4 - 8 1/2 lbs. With the chrome lined barrels it would be a steel worthy double duckgun.

Best, SRH
Posted By: 28 gauge shooter Re: A raining day sxs - 09/30/18 10:30 PM
Never ran steel through any of my doubles, hate to say but when steel became mandatory I feed steel through a auto loader 390 super mag.
Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: A raining day sxs - 09/30/18 11:16 PM
I've got a 390, too. It got the nod in the most extreme conditions, such as boating into the Bayou Meto in icy, bad weather. But, so rarely anymore, that I did not mention it at first. The BSS has become my bad weather gun for ducks, 95% of the time. Once I faced the fact that it can be replaced with another just like it, I quit babying it. I don't abuse it, but I don't baby it either. I always wanted a 32" one, but they never made them. Tried for several years to find one with junked barrels that I could get sleeved to 32", but finally realized I'd have as much money in it as I could have a Dickinson built for. And, I really am fond of my one Dickinson. Probably the greatest bargain in a new S x S out there ..................from any country.

SRH
Posted By: Buzz Re: A raining day sxs - 09/30/18 11:39 PM
I try not to hunt in the rain anymore (or any inclement weather for that matter), unless I just perchance get caught in it. I guess I’m just not that mad at the birds anymore, so I don’t really need a ‘rain gun’.
Posted By: Stanton Hillis Re: A raining day sxs - 09/30/18 11:44 PM
I shot doves in the rain the last Saturday of our early season. I don't relish it, either. But, when I drive 9 or 10 hours and have limited time to hunt while there I will duck hunt in the rain. Just hardheaded I guess.

SRH
Posted By: BrentD, Prof Re: A raining day sxs - 09/30/18 11:47 PM
I took the Greener out for ducks and geese today. It was misty early on but mostly it was just sopping wet everywhere so mud was the rule and gun butts sat in mud and water. But all is well now. We did okay with 3 canadas and 5 blue wings.
Posted By: Mark Larson Re: A raining day sxs - 10/01/18 12:13 AM
I don't really have a rainy day gun. I really dislike upland hunting in the rain, so for me, a rainy day gun would be a nasty weather duck gun. I recently bought a 30" steel barreled Lefever FE, that I'm having the action worked on (one trigger not working correctly). I hunt ducks out of a layout boat, so I'm planning on using that as my semi-nice all weather duck gun. If I hunt in the salt, it will get a good coat of wax. Or, I might use my new Charles Daly sxs. Regardless, I've made it a goal in life to wear out a good gun, and I've not come even close yet. But there's still time!
Posted By: Hammergun Re: A raining day sxs - 10/01/18 12:34 AM
My rainy day guns are a 16 ga. Ithaca Flues for birds and for waterfowl in the rain an old magnum 870 Wingmaster. The Flues is well worn and the 870 can be broken down in minutes to dry out. That being said if I get caught in the rain with nicer stuff I don't stop hunting. I'm careful to dry and oil everything after it gets wet. Beater or not.
Posted By: keith Re: A raining day sxs - 10/01/18 11:01 AM
Hunting in the rain is a mixed bag, and generalities don't cut it. Heavy downpours and thunderstorms aren't a good time to be out hunting. I had a tree stand get crushed by another tree that toppled in the wind shortly after I left it. That would have hurt. A steady rain and very wet fields does seem to diminish the effectiveness of a dog's nose, and when the grasses are all matted down and soaked, it limits the ease with which birds can run. So birds tend to sit tighter, and are less likely to flush. But that can also mean they are less likely to flush out of range. Grouse seem less affected by a steady rain than pheasants, but wild native pheasants are pretty much near extinct in my area anyway. I vividly remember my Dad walking up on several rabbits and one pheasant on rainy days, and without breaking stride or making eye contact with them, he was able to grab them by the neck alive.

The neck of the pheasant was broken with a quick snap of his wrist, but he carried one rabbit alive in the game pouch of his small game jacket for several hours before turning it loose.

Turkeys seem to remain pretty active on rainy days, and deer hunting in a steady rain is something else entirely. The deer seem to be a lot more active and feeding during daylight hours, and the rain seems to diminish their senses and make them less wary. For that reason, I think my camouflage hunter's umbrella that screws into a tree was some of the best money I ever spent. I even made a smaller lighter version for those days when I don't want to carry the big one, but don't wish to get soaked by a scattered shower. Rainy days are common in hunting season, so when those days afield are limited by work, etc., I won't let a little rain stop me. Having some less expensive guns to use in the rain make me less concerned about possible damage from rust or a slip and fall. And competition from other hunters is much less because most are at home or sitting in a bar.
Posted By: L. Brown Re: A raining day sxs - 10/01/18 11:25 AM
Back when I was guiding nonresident pheasant hunters, we had a rainy day. They wanted to hunt. I told them I wouldn't charge them if they wanted to take a day off and stay dry--and that if we did hunt, we probably wouldn't get anything but wet.

They wanted to hunt, so we did. Succeeded only in getting wet. They decided they'd had enough by lunchtime.
Posted By: Ted Schefelbein Re: A raining day sxs - 10/01/18 03:34 PM
Back when I was in that game, a light rain actually improved my chances on squirrels. They kept right on feeding, and the woods got a little more active, plus, I could move a little more quietly. The patter of rain drops on forest floor almost calmed the little guys.
Haven’t shot at a squirrel since I started hunting with my Mom’s Irish Setter when Dad started hunting geese, and would leave a perfectly good bird dog at his house where I could find him. Probably 35 years.

Best,
Ted
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