...of the rest of the free world stepping up?

http://tonyabbott.com.au/2018/07/taking-...-washington-dc/


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Hello, King, glad you are well!

president trump is the best actor we have had for pres since ronald reagan...and like all great actors, he is well rehearsed and knows his lines...sometimes he appears otherwise...just part of the script..and just part of the act...

Read in-between the lines lonesome. Paints a very unflattering picture of our contribution to the current state of affairs, and then throws in some appeasement for fear of reprisal.

No doubt you drank the Obama Kool aid...

This comment offers further proof of what I have reportedly said... THIS IS YOUR BRAIN ON DRUGS!

Not only do we see a total lack of reading comprehension, but we also have the very predictable anti-Trump bias from a flaming Liberal who will always support anti-gun Liberal Left Democrats.

All I can say is, if Putin had anything at all to do with keeping Hillary out of the White House, he deserves the Medal of Freedom and a Nobel Prize. Anyone who supports the 2nd Amendment needs to have 20-20 vision and re-elect Trump in 2020. But don't count on our Libtards and FUDD's to do anything to preserve our gun rights.The so-called Big Tent of gun owners is a Big Joke perpetrated by back-stabbers and fool's who think you can consider yourself pro-2nd amendment even when you vote for anti-gun Democrats.

Keith, it's more than the 2cd amendment, although it's important as it serves, among other things, as the proverbial Canary in the Coal Mine.

Hillary was problematic in so many areas. But most importantly in the area of corruption. She was on her way, along with ex prez Bill, to institutionalizing both monetary and political corruption in the workings of the US government that would have rivaled many 3rd world dictatorships.

While I completely agree with all that Mr Abbott notes about Trump's accomplishments so far, and, as a Canadian I am embarrassed by my country's political unwillingness to step up to a relationship where we give as much as we take, it is the defeat of Hillary that will mean the most in the long run, IMHO.

The unpatriotic fascists were and are the rabid and undemocratic supporters of Hillary and the Democratic Party. They have completely lost their way.

Had Hillary won the Supreme Court would be stacked as a Liberal institution for the next 20 years. By the end of two terms for her it could have been 9-0. That alone is enough for me. Ruth Bader-Gingsberg would seem like a moderate. And the Clinton multi million dollar fortune would grow into the high hundreds of millions with all the influence that could buy long term. I remember when the Clintons did not have a pot to piss in, their claim not mine.

None of you are Americans. Go start a county where your leader is the gun. That is what you want if you trade our national security and interests away for a glorified toy.

CB, I'm glad you peep your head out from time to time and speak up, cause it shows under your veil of "politeness", you are one ignorant and delusional foreign national. Take the advice your friends give King. Stay out of our politics.

Here's what "National Security" looked like for Ukranians when nca225's anti-gun hero Obama was in the White House and he was blocking installation of a missile shield to make NATO countries more secure from Russian aggression.



And here was "National Security" before Trump talked some sense into Rocketman:

keet, sum times you git hit right...

Try throwing in some “F” bombs, misspelled words, and girly emotions next time.

Nice try though.


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Butch Coolidge

If that what it takes to get you to learn....

Still too obvious. Keep trying.

Figure that dividend is pretty well covered. Thoughts?


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We are all Capitalists now!

Only thing you could "learn" anyone here is that you are low life potty mouthed comunistic brain dead liberal...




I left out sexually perverted.

Those were some seriously disturbing posts, jOe.

I guess EU is going to try and pay for their imaginary army by extorting US companies and cutting trade deals with dictators and despots.

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I still don’t understand how fancy covfefe is going to save Europe.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/07/19/how...o-putin-baltic/

Another side of the coin.

The beatings will continue untll loyalty to your country improves.

Just proves Trump right. Europe will have to do more and much faster to secure their freedom loving eastern brothers. I wish them the best. I’m sure Germany and France will step up to the challenge. The EU is an economic powerhouse that should be more than capable to afford to defend its borders.


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These Force Frappes are pretty good.

Not really. Most NATO allies have not agreed to do anything more then already agreed to under Obama. trumps blustering did nothing but make base happy, but at what cost? Sewing discord and distrust among our allies? Its just plain shortsighted.

EU might be playing chicken re NATO but I wouldn’t want to be on that bus when it hits a Russian tank.

Hope they don’t shut that gas off when we go back to global cooling. Brrrrrr!



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And I reckon it’s a lot cheaper to take a Berlitz course in Russian

Why do you go out of your way to show us how stupid and illiterate you are? It isn't "sewing discord", it's "sowing discord". Who knew that the Mrs. Malaprop of the 21st century would be a transgender called nca225? And speaking of sowing discord and distrust among our allies, it's hard to beat Obama's impotent Red Lines and warnings that he gave to Assad and Putin when they laughed at his weakness over Syria and the Ukraine.

We know your idea of loyalty to the U.S. is lighting the White House in gay rainbow lights and allowing perverted men to use ladies restrooms, but that sickness ended when Trump took over.

And when it comes to insulting Gold Star families, as you were crying about in the locked thread, what better way than to walk away from the hard fought gains made in Iraq, and turn the sacrifices made by our soldiers into a total waste by allowing it to fall into ISIS hands. And then even leaving hundreds of millions of dollars in weapons and equipment behind for them to use against us... Now there's some treason you can actually see, versus the kind imagined by Libtards and liars.

Keith the idiot either has multiple personalities or as I suspect there are multiple IP addresses associated with hershey's posts....

Beings he/she is a confesses socialist demo'rat it wouldn't surprise me if he/she had been hAcked by the Russians

Probably a quare

https://youtu.be/I5tAYnex6fY


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Europe has no option!

One again, what about this, what about that! You know, when you can't even defend the traitor, it proves my point. Thanks for your timely surrender of the argument princess.

Juist for the record from one who has not been involved in this thread other than reading it, Keith has "PROVED" far more points than You have nca225.
The one point You have proved is that Keith is "Right".

Maybe so, Miller, but I think lil patriot feels empowered.

Well then Miller, you should be able to list then what it is that keith has proved. Please list it for me.

Here's somethings you have "proved" without any help from anyone...

Here's a few points I'd like to see you disprove hershey

Hey smOe, isn’t there a goat in your backyard that should be tending to you?

Ho hum to the personal attacks...
With regards to the OP: how much of the context around Tony Abbott do you grasp?

You into goats too Naac ?

Fantastic! Cadet, can you give a little context. Nothing like the view of a guy on the ground.

Why don’t you just say what you want to say. Context around Tony Abbott? Fack me dead.


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No smOe, that goat is into you. About as far as it can get.

It would have nice to hear Cadet's perspective, but looking into Abbott a bit, it seems he is a good backpedaling conservative MP/former PM

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-ne...is-climate-deal

Looks like he doesn't believe in science either.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-ne...tralia-up-as-pm

Moreover in the bag for the treasonous piece of shit puppet of the Russian regime since the beginning.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/14/asia/tony-abbott-donald-trump-interview/index.html

You beginning to see the context lonesome?

Tony Abbott: aka the Mad Monk; federal member for the seat of Waringah, Former Prime Minister, arch conservative; Rhodes scholar; boxing blue; friendly of a sort with George Pell. Virtually irrelevant politically now despite being immediate past PM.
Someone I know socially who's had a close personal insight into the last few PMs reckons he was the hardest drinking but also most personable PM he's ever worked with - and he's worked with a few.

It should be obvious that nca225 is suffering from mental illness. The only one playing the "what about this... what about that?" game is him/her and all of the other Libtards who were silent when Conservatives asked those annoying little questions back when their Magic Negro Obama was in office.

They refused to go anywhere near those questions about Obama assuring outgoing Russian President Medvedev that he could be more flexible with Putin after the election. They had nothing to say when Obama allowed Russia and Assad to roll over the Ukraine and Syria as they laughed at his Red Lines. They make up wild and baseless accusations about Trump's diplomatic meeting with Putin while ignoring Hillary Clinton's meetings and "Russian Reset" with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov. I guess he/she thinks we should trade our Gun Rights for his/her right to get married to another fairy. And now he/she is crying about us asking those same unanswered questions.

I'd like to see the proof this sick little transgender has that Trump has sold out anything to Russia, or actually done anything to approach the level of Treason that occurred when Obama wasted all that blood and treasure in Iraq and left hundreds of millions of dollars in weapons and supplies to provide aid to ISIS when he went against the advice of numerous military advisors and prematurely pulled troops out of Iraq.

It's funny to watch CNN and actually see the Liberal Left talking heads admitting that there is no proof that Trump did anything Treasonous or in any way sold out the U.S. in his private meeting with Putin. But that's exactly what has these mental midgets nca225, rocky mtn bill, and others foaming at the mouth. The DNC and CNN could tell these morons that the world is made of snow and Trump is melting it, and they would believe it.

But, but, but... it could have happened! Except for the fact it didn't. Time to take another look at Liberal's idea of making America great:

I think so. In the context of yours, my Sunday was infinitely better.




See, that wasn’t so hard now, was it.

I’ll trade you a mad cow (Hill) for your mad monk.


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We are all conservatives now!

Read George Will's column from last Sunday.

George Will is a smart guy and a good conservative commentator, but he's been a "Never Trumper" from the get go...Geo

George Will didn't tell us any more about what Trump actually discussed with Putin than the mentally defective nca225 did Billy. It was more of the same conjecture we get every day from your fake news sources and Adam Schiff. So why don't you take a stab at it and tell us exactly what Trump said and exactly what he did that rises to the same level of treasonous behavior as your Magic Negro did when he prematurely pulled the troops out of Iraq and left ISIS tons of munitions and equipment to eventually use against us? Now that is something that rises to the definition of treason.

And then Billy, tell us why the Russians weren't able to stop you from voting for your anti-gun Liberal Left Democrat Hillary. The Russians didn't convince me to vote for Trump... But Hillary sure did a great job of convincing people she was the wrong choice. You sure as hell cannot claim to support the 2nd Amendment if you support politicians like the Clintons or Obama. You should take your ignorance and stupidity where it will be appreciated.

gee keith, great posts...hope dat creature keet stays way in de back o yo closet...

Did you see rocky mtn bill reading my reply to him Ed? He left without a response. Why? Because he's got nothing. He's a brainless sock-puppet who parrots whatever bullshit the DNC serves up for their dupes.

And after the FBI used a phony dossier paid for by the Clinton campaign to secure a FISA warrant to spy on Trump, who could blame him for not exactly showering our intelligence agencies with enthusiatic praise? Considering some of the obvious bias against him, I'd be suspicious about any of their findings at this point in time. It is a shame that the reputation of hard working field agents has been damaged by some higher-ups who have abused their positions to advance their Liberal Left agendas.

Keith has been working with robots far too long. He has become one. He now has a binary brain. He's been programmed by his sources: Fox, Rush, Bannon. No data other than theirs can penetrate his bubble. There is but one truth, he believes, and he is one of its groomed repositories. He will obediently follow Trump over whatever cliff our emperor chooses. Keith, enjoy the ride. Those of us looking on from the outside look forward to the crash.

I didn't second anything Will said. My point was to say that career conservative Republicans have serious questions about Trump. Keith is not capable of considering the president might be fallible. Proof of his robotic condition is that he "thinks" any thing he posts deserves a response.

You're right about one thing: there is but one truth, and liberal socialist Democrat sycophants know it not. You're actually right about something else: you will be on the outside looking in with the rest of the lunatic fringe as Pres. Trump continues to Make America Great Again. Mega-dittos to Rush and Fox News.
JR

Sorry Billy, it isn't Rush, Bannon, or Fox News that is making my 401-K and the stock market churn ahead. And they aren't the ones who keep calling and e-mailing excellent job offers after years of high unemployment and stagnant wage growth. We don't see North Korea testing intercontinental ballistic missiles and atomic weapons,and we don't see Russian MIGs testing U.S. Air Defenses like we did when limp-wristed Obama was making impotent Red Lines that were an embarrassing joke.

I note that you can't offer a microgram of proof of your DNC inspired propaganda concerning your wild-assed claims about Trump. I don't think I DESERVE a response from you Billy. I enjoy the fact that you aren't able to give one that has any substance. You've been predicting Trump's demise since before he was inaugurated, and you still cling to your hopes that you can convince others that we would be better off with an anti-gun Socialist. What's taking Mueller so long when you Libtards and liars all have so much imaginary evidence? I knew you wouldn't have anything but bullshit Billy. You never do.

So here's what anti gun socialists do.....

When a Muslim by the name of Faisal Hussain, determined to sow terror, walks down a main street in a popular entertainment and dining area of Toronto Last night, spraying the crowd with shots from his hand gun, injuring 13 and killing two, they suppress the official release of his identity for nearly 24 hours while their sycophantic media, with access to dozens and dozens of eye witnesses, refuse to publish any physical description of the bearded, swarthy perp, to give themselves time to wash his social media clean of Islamist cant and develop a "history" of mental illness.

All the while both asking us not to jump to any conclusions AND telling us there is a gun problem and more regulations need to be imposed on law abiding gun owners.

The liberal fix is in!

But what about George Will? I didn't invent him.

bill: give us sum thin...

otherwise, you got nuttin...

like, maybe da golden shower thang really happened, when trump was in russia...an putin's got da pitchers an is blackmailin trump...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_projects_of_Donald_Trump_in_Russia

Ed, to paraphrase W.C. Fields, a man who hates Lincoln and loves Trump can't be all bad.

Even though he stopped reading after page two, Geo just summed it up best. Will is a never Trumper, and for the purposes of this thread, you did invent, or at least cited, him.

Did you feel like his opinion fit the moment, or were you thinking of voting for him if he's the Republican nominee for the next election? There're different ways to look at it, but it amazes me how 'conservative' gurus have torpedoed any commentary clout that they had by showing their true colors when conservative policy is offered in spades. And, all they can do sound like lib dems with their hormones in a bit better balance.

At least Kieth has a brain....

" At least Keith has a brain." So says Homeless jOe McCarthy. I reserve judgement. Craig, conservative policy in spades is, in the long run, insanity. We fuss here that game populations are not what they were when we were young. We note that it's harder to find a place to hunt. Well, Republican policy is making all this worse. Scott Pruitt and Ryan Zinke exemplify what is wrong with the Trump administration in regard to our interests here. It won't make any difference that there's no place to hunt when there is no game out there. The world is burning, but Keith is happy with that because his 401K is soaring. So are are my mutual funds, but I have to wonder what kind of world we're leaving to posterity. Some Democrats are willing to confront these issues.

How about that, it's a multi issue world. It does not matter what some dems are willing to do. What shouldn't be overlooked is that all dems are in lock step, right? Is it wise for me to believe that you're pro hunting when you'll turn around and accuse me of being a racist, misogynist and homophobe in the next minute? How in this world could you possibly care one bit about my hunting opportunities if my character is so flawed?

Granted that those two are not great, but your statement is way off the point and just like the crazies you are blaming failed liberal policies on someone else. Better sell your guns and start hugging trees, if we have it your way all land will be posted no hunting, hugging only!

RMBill, some game populations are soaring too. Deer are at vermin levels in many places as are turkeys and geese. More to do with changes in agriculture/habitat, new diseases and state's game departments than federal maneuvering methinks.

Democrats are almost at vermin levels...





That's easy....democrats are vermin.

ChiefAmungum, you're right, of course about game in some places. Montana's mountain cities are overrun with deer. One reason for that is endless real estate development in prime winter range. Developers and rich hobby ranchers build trophy homes in the forest interface and then stick us all with enormous expense of defending their homes against fire in places they should never have been built. Gutting federal agencies that protect our food, soil, air , and water in favor of letting the rich and the large corporations do whatever they please is not in the long term interests our favorite recreations-- or our lives, for that matter. Climate change doesn't favor our needs. We have a clear choice; we can steer it or it will steer us. jOe is right about vermin, but it's not just Democrats. We're all vermin now. There are too many of us to sustain us in the way we insist on living.

Wow Billy, even the 24/7/365 anti-Trump fake news reporters at CNN and MSLSD haven't thought about blaming Trump for low grouse and quail populations. Next you'll be telling us that Fred Flintstone was a Republican who was responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs. No question that George Will is a never-Trumper, but I seriously doubt if he'd advise us to vote for your lying anti-gun Democrat Hillary Clinton.

Believe it or not, quite a few of us Conservatives are into hunting, fishing, and the outdoors, and we care deeply about the environment. The picture you paint of Republicans destroying the planet is simply more of your DNC inspired bullshit. For example, in the years since anti-gun Democrat Al Gore told us that polar bears were on the verge of extinction due to global warming, their population has quadrupled.

https://polarbearscience.com/2017/11/06/...he-2017-update/

The horror stories about the Alaskan Pipeline were Liberal lies, and the Keystone pipeline will create thousands of construction jobs and save money for everyone but Democrat rich man Warren Buffet, who is profiting mightily from transporting oil on his polluting and inefficient Burlington Northern Railway.

I'd still like to see your evidence that Trump is a treasonous traitor and Putin Puppet. But we all know you have nothing, and that you are simply a brainless empty suit who thinks it is important to blindly support Liberal Left Democrat anti-gunners. Since you are so worried about new people moving into Montana and building homes resulting in habitat loss, perhaps you can tell us how your own move to Montana was any different. If you think the population is too high, maybe you should do a late term abortion on yourself since you are nothing but a parasite anyway. And don't buy any of that counterfeit Viagra from online Russian Pharmacies. We don't want to hear you crying about Russians meddling with your erections.

RMBill, I have no idea what goes on in Montana, I'll take your word for it. I can tell you this. Illinois had no deer or turkey seasons until 1972(deer). Now it is a destination state for deer, turkey and geese. As is Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska. None of those states has a large acreage owned and controlled by the Fedgov outside of tribal trusts. Nor are the uber rich flocking there to impose. MN has a large amount of Fed land, also much state and county. You want to be hunting state, county or private, much better. NC, where I live now has a very good management plan for the Nat. forests. It involves cutting some trees! Some group or another drags the USFS/USF&G into federal court and quashes that every time. No successional forest, few grouse, few deer.
I believe that it was in the mid 1990's Mr. Clinton effectively removed yours and my access to roughly 80% of the federal land. I am not sure if that has been reversed or not. Yes, you could go out on that land. You had better be a long walker.

Chief

Chief, in mentioning Clinton, you seem to be referring to his creation of National Monuments. Your information is a bit shaky. The federal government owns 630 million acres of land across the country. Clinton designated 4 million acres of new Monuments. What the designation prohibits is road building, livestock grazing, and mining. These lands are available to public use. That they don't have roads cut into them is what makes them especially valuable to wildlife production. The best deer and elk hunting in Montana is found on much of these lands. They preserve these treasures for the creatures they support and for the enjoyment of future generations. The controversies over national monuments have to do the with exploitation of resources versus the preservation of a few remaining wild places.

RMBill I recall a lot of locked, (still) gates. And yes, anyone can walk on out there, a few do. More than a few circumvent the gates with an ATV. Possibly a reluctance to maintain the roads, I don't know. Never had to hunt much Fed land and don't intend to at this point in my life. Sounds to me like your best deer hunting is in town! I think the USFS, who I suspect have a whole credentialed, professional staff to rely on should be allowed to manage our land without undue interference, don't you?

Chief

Sergio Marchionne

June 17, 1952 - July 25, 2018

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/25/business/sergio-marchionne-dies-fiat-chrysler.html


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https://youtu.be/gwg2sdRdahM

Chief, In the Monuments, no one rides out there in an ATV. It's illegal. The point of the Monuments is to stop motorized traffic because it degrades the habitat and its enjoyment by people willing to access it without running it into the ground. Folks who feel they have to hunt from a truck or an ATV have other places to go to. The ATV industry is a blight on outdoor recreation unless it's confined to places already worn out by development and misuse. I'd make an exception in this opinion for disabled veterans.

A sad day. He was a guy who got shit done!

I agree.

RMBill,
I don't care for ATV's either, not my point. How about answering my question? Should the USFS be able to implement their own plan? Should they be made immune from litigation?

Chief

Chief, if the USFS is permitted to operate without political interference, then they should be free to manage national forests according to their professional standards. At present the Forest Service is under heavy pressure to allow maximum harvest of timber. If they can't resist the political heat, then the law is all that restrains them from skinning the woods. Under Bill Clinton The FS had the best director ever. Since then, politics has had the upper hand. No one should be immune from litigation except perhaps the Pope.

I've got an even better question for rocky mtn bill.

I can't take credit for it, but I heard it asked by Tucker Carlson last night. He was interviewing a lady who thought it would be terrible if Trump or Congress ever defunded Planned Parenthood.

She felt that abortion is a Constitutional right, and Tucker disagreed since there is nothing pertaining to abortion in the words of the Constitution. He asked her, since she supported taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood... the largest provider of abortions... if she would also support taxpayer funding for the NRA, since the 2nd Amendment actually is a Constitutional right.

What a great question for any Libtard!

She refused to answer, and felt the question was unfair. Knowing how Billy feels about the NRA, and knowing of his unwavering support for anti-gun Democrats, I would like to ask him the same question. Billy is worried about access to Federal lands for hunting, but he is too dumb to connect the dots when it comes to supporting the politicians who would restrict his hunting by restricting our very right to own and shoot firearms. Further proof that Liberalism is a mental illness.

RMBill,

Sell me some proof that the USFS is under heavy pressure to strip the Nat'l forests and I may buy in. The current plan in question, which was developed under the Obama administration would involve less than 70,000 acres of select cutting over a 10 year period. 6500 acres/yr. Most of the cuts are 15 to 20 acres and not contiguous. This is hardly alarming. This is, I stress, select harvest, not clear cutting. This plan passed the test of public hearings, and elected officials. What are we paying them for?

Let's let the Pope sit this one out, OK?

Chief

I don't have a grasp of national FS issues, but in my region the Service has historcally been more responsive to the timber industry than to its management responsibilities, hence the lawsuits. I can't defend every one of them, but the gist of the effort has been to restrain road building and cutting in areas critical to wildlife habitat. In my state, logging has had a profoundly negative impact on bull trout. People here are fond of them and have made significant progress at restoring riparian areas crucial to their survival.

RMBill,

That may be so. And I'll let you go with that. I am a pragmatist, mostly and would like to see some results. Thanks for the civil discourse!

Chief

The Democrats should worry more about the thousands of American babies that Planned Parenthood executes than the few babies seperated from their illegal parents because they brought them into this country illegally.

The Democrat party thinks it's their right to decide who lives and dies...

Sorry to disagree, but it isn't "civil discourse" when one participant continually spouts dishonest propaganda in order to advance his Socialist agenda. And it certainly isn't "civil discourse" to frequently taint the air on a firearms forum with the idiotic idea that we should all shoot ourselves in the foot by supporting politicians who would work to take away our rights to own guns and hunt.

Billy hasn't responded to my last two replies to his lunacy. This is typical of what Billy and other Libtards do when they are smacked in the nose with their own hypocrisy. An even more predictable behavior from Billy is to make one of his relatively infrequent visits to the main Double-Gun forum here to make a few posts containing his Liberal Democrat dogma. When he gets caught in a lie or caught posting false data to support his position, he tucks his tail between his legs and slips out the back door. Then he reappears a couple weeks later in the Custom and Classic Rifle forum where some participants feel he should have immunity from being reminded about his lies and support for anti-gunners.

Of course, we have a few F.A.G.'s (Fake Ass Gentlemen) right here who often get all whiny and butt-hurt when Conservatives make political or Pro-2nd Amendment posts in this forum, but are strangely silent when fellow Libtards and FUDD's like Billy make political posts which denigrate the 2nd Amendment and the politicians who respect it. And if you point out and illuminate such disingenuous behavior, then they will work in symphony to attempt to silence or censor you. And they will consider such behavior to be the height of civility and good manners. Funny stuff!

Somebody give that man a cee-gar!
JR

I've just read all 8 pages of this thread. I don't understand how naïve some people can be. Didn't Clinton say the Supreme Court had it wrong when they ruled it was the individuals right to own a gun ? Does someone have to hit you guys in the head with a 2X4 ? Understand this : Trump, and ONLY Trump, is the one person that even has a chance to save this country and return it to it's greatness. He doesn't owe anybody anything. There's not another Republican, or anyone, that has accomplished what he has. I usually don't comment BUT - God bless America, God bless Donald Trump, and Fu## you a$$h@le liberals.

No one here has said anything about George Will's column except that he doesn't like Trump. Will is a certified, lifelong Republican whose whole career has been political analysis. I don't expect many here to share MY views, but I have to wonder how many can simply ignore everything Will says. I would challenge Trump fans to refute Will's points. He has to be wrong, after all, or else all of you are fools and suckers.

OK Billy, let me explain the obvious. George Will simply doesn't like Trump, and he is also simply wrong about Trump. George Will is also no longer a Republican (more false information from you) , and Will hates Mike Pence even more than he hates Trump. In many ways, Trump is even more Conservative than Reagan, and he has been even better than Reagan on things like cracking down on illegal immigration, cutting out many useless and redundant regulations, and correcting deficiencies in Trade Deals that were negotiated after Reagan left office.

Many of these trade deals decimated our manufacturing and subsequently increased unemployment and the Welfare State while also reducing the number of workers and Corporations that were providing Income tax revenues. Add upwards of 25 million illegal immigrants willing to work at third world wages while also using our schools, health care system, and infrastructure, and you reach a point of wage stagnation and steady decline.

Trump is reversing that and would be doing even better if he was not being obstructed by Liberal Left Democrats and even some Republicans who are invested in the status quo of the Swamp.

Trump is crude and blunt and brutal. He says things in a way no other U.S. President in history ever has. But it is necessary and long overdue. You Libtards keep accusing Trump of Treason, destroying the planet, and everything including low grouse and quail populations, but you can't offer a shred of proof after a year and a half of Mueller and a team of partisan Democrats investigating him. Yet you turn a blind eye to the corrupt Clintons and your candidate who deleted over 30,000 emails and destroyed computers and Blackberries, not to mention the felonious act of using a private server for State Department emails that almost certainly were hacked into by our adversaries. I could just imagine what you and the anti-Trump idiots at CNN would say if he did those things and defied a Congressional subpoena.by destroying evidence of a crime.

Given a choice between two imperfect candidates, I will always choose the one who looks out for our Republic, our Capitalist System, our Constitution, and the 2nd Amendment which is so important to me. As a gun owner and hunter, it is important to you too, but you are too stupid and too invested in Socialist dogma to appreciate it.

I took the time to make a thoughtful reply to you. But you ignored my last few questions. Typical behavior for a Libtard hypocrite who thinks we would be better off supporting anti-gun Democrats who will increase taxes and take us down the same path as Venezuela and other failed and bankrupt Socialist countries.

The obvious question is why would a man like Will, who believes in limited government, not just fail to like Trump, but revile him in every way possible? He isn't claiming he's a Muslim or that he was born in Africa. He just says the guy is a fraud and that he can't possibly be trusted to do what's right for the country. The Republican Party no longer stands for a rugged individualism; that's history. Nowadays, what it promotes are the following: to deny and ignore climate science in favor of fossil fuels, to cut taxes for the rich, to let corporations do whatever they please, to loose protections for air, water, soil, public lands, and consumers,to reduce access to health care, to gut the social safety net, to reduce investment in infrastructure and education, and to increase military spending. Other than these minor details, what's not to like?

Trump is proving George Will, Mitt Romney, and all of the never-Trumpers wrong.

You are too invested in denying what is actually happening, and instead are here to denigrate Trump with your false DNC propaganda. It is more than obvious that the Democrats are no longer the party of the working man that my parents and grandparents supported. But even though you know that, and know their penchant for higher taxes, national insolvency though an unsustainable Welfare state, and relentless attempts to infringe upon the 2nd Amendment, you are obsessed with supporting them and lying about Republicans. George Will supported a number of Republicans who ended up being almost indistinguishable from Democrats. He was as wrong about them as he is about Trump.

And you still won't or can't answer my questions from yesterday.

Keep on supporting anti-gunners Billy. I need a few dummies like you to prove the fallacy of thinking that all gun owners belong in one Big Tent. The idea that we should embrace back-stabbers like you is a road to eventually losing our gun rights.

Give him hell, Keith. You and I be simpatico 100%. Those like Rocky Mtn Bill with zero common sense and perception of truth will never get what Trump is doing. The liberal left wing socialists Democrats think the raw sewage hatred for Trump coming from CNN and MSNBC is real: it ain't, and they are about to learn that come November.
JR

Hear Hear!

Speaking of national insolvency, how is the Trump tax cut adding to the country's black ink?

Will is exactly like you Bill, when you revile someone, all your years of experience say is that your emotions are more important than the issues or the facts. It's a double win for you, you found a kindred spirit and you feel like your talking points have been parroted. What value does his resume and analysis have if it's nothing more than agenda driven opinion? Heck, you can read that stuff on the internet.

I'm sorry that your President causes you to, not just dislike him, but revile him. Perhaps a comfort goat or a cry room would make you feel better? You should look for common ground, who else would try to reign in big corporate abortion mills that do whatever they feel like doing? Maybe, he'll try to reign in free for all gender reassignment, so that real Americans can get a few more crumbs of actual heath care.

Maybe, your President doesn't like those commercials that reveal one in ten Montanans have been lured and trapped into chemical dependency by the dems? Weren't you the fellow singing the praises of importing kali attitudes and money into Montana. Nothing says rugged individualism like a mega rich techie posting 'his' land, and complaining about the service at the all important tofu shop, eh? Ooops, since you revile your President, you don't care, eh?

Talk about minor details, Bill, did you forget all the talking point 'ists'?

Using barak era guidelines, millions less qualify for food stamps because they have jobs. Just because because you feel better with high entitlement numbers, since your rugged individualism is in lock step with the collective, doesn't mean that a fellow out of work under barry's watch isn't tickled to be taking care of his family.

It'll never be in the black, but hasn't your President made ocare less of a black hole by eliminating the mandate? Seriously, what's not to like?

GDP is on track to hit 4.2-4.3% this year. It wouldn't take that many years of growth like that to turn a whole bunch of red ink, to black.

Anything, by anyone, that leaves less of the Obama legacy intact, is OK by me. This was a man, who, based simply on his performance as POTUS, should be no more than a footnote in future history.

Best,
Ted

Obama will go down in history as one of, if not the worst president in history. The man has done more to ruin this once fine country than anyone else ever. On election night around 10 or 11 when Trump started winning Florida I told the wife I'm going to sleep because he's going to win. They hadn't even counted the panhandle yet. It was one of the best days of my life. I can't understand how anyone who believes in owning a gun could possible vote for a Dem - it's unthinkable.

Craigd and Ted briefly addressed this. And it has been addressed countless times in the past. But Billy is too invested in never seeing anything positive to say about any pro-gun Republican.

It's kind of like pruning bad and unproductive branches off an apple tree in order to make it bear more fruit. High taxes and stifling regulations drove jobs away and increased the drain on the economy by simultaneously reducing tax revenues and increasing the hugely costly Welfare State. Billy's so-called safety net was greatly expanded to catch unemployed people who were thrown off the roof by Democrats and their anti-growth policies. In all fairness, some Republicans were also guilty of supporting bad trade deals, taxes, and unnecessary regulations that prompted employers to move production overseas. Many unskilled jobs will never come back. But I am proof that there is also opportunity in automation if you are willing to learn and roll with the punches.

I find it very interesting that Billy still refuses to answer the simple and straightforward questions I asked him over the last few days. I take the time to answer him, and he just comes back with more DNC propaganda and more stupidity. But Paul Harm has it absolutely right about the sheer ignorance of any gun owner who would vote for a known anti-gunner. Even if Trump's policies weren't lowering taxes, raising wages, stimulating growth, etc., I still could never vote for some bastard who would infringe upon my right to own firearms and to shoot and hunt.

It takes a special kind of stupid to knowingly shoot yourself in the foot by supporting anti-gunners. Rocky mtn bill is the poster child for that malady.

Amen brother Keith, Amen.

Amen brother Keith, Amen. Sorry double post but I'll leave it.

Yes, the economy's doing well, but for whom? Wages are still at levels from decades ago. I don't care about people who are already filthy rich. I'm getting tax breaks too, but the people I worry about haven't gained an inch. A LOT of them are Trump supporters. I always end up cheering for underdogs, having come from that caste. Republicans just aren't on my side.

You worry too much. Breath into a paper sack, it's biodegradable. You must have missed the unemployment numbers. No, not for those racist white guys, a lot of whom are hilery supporters, but the numbers for women, blacks and hispanics? Why don't you just send your tax break back and tell 'em to give it to barry for his library and spa?

Bill,
Literally, that ain't playing in Peoria. Black unemployment, lowest ever recorded. Hispanic unemployment, lowest ever recorded. Female unemployment, lowest ever recorded. We have a small problem with very young people, locally, getting jobs because liberal cities are insisting on a $15 minimum wage, which, is keeping a lot of them from getting their first job, and getting the skill set that goes with a first job. Which, isn't worth $15 an hour to most employers.
I work for a rich man, BIll. Do I begrudge him that? Hell no, hardest working guy I have ever met in my life. Turned 67 last month, and did something he had never, ever done in his life-took a vacation. A long one, a whole week, just him and his wife, who works right along side of him, and has since their two kids were finished with college. Every day I go to work, I realize the non-sense they put up with by having a company located in the liberal hell hole that is Minneapolis, the obscene taxes they are on the hook for, and the crap they have to sit and watch, every day. Right around the first of the month, you can't find a place to park, and most of the cars taking up the spots have an Illinois or Wisconsin license plates on them, they come to Minneapolis to collect the generous general assistance money, hang around a day or two, hit a casino, buy some crack, and then go back home. "Sanctuary City" status brings a whole slew of problems you can't even begin to understand, Bill.
Not now, but, one day, I will look back on the disaster that is the Twin Cities metro area, and be joyful at the fact that I will never be back, to see it, or smell it, ever again.

Tell your idiot party in Washington to keep their stinking hands off my crumbs.


Best,
Ted

Geez, will ever stop peddling this crap. Ooops, sorry about that, my bronze plan said the over the counter stuff was good e'nuf. Of course, he understands. Who do you think wants imperial kali to colonize Montana?

So tell us Billy... who is on your side?

Is it Liberal Left Democrats who relentlessly increase taxes and greatly expand the Welfare State?

Is it Liberal Left Democrats who negotiate unfair Trade Deals like NAFTA, GATT, TPP, which caused millions of good paying manufacturing jobs to disappear?

Is it Liberal left Democrats like Barack Hussein Obama who added more than $6.5 TRILLION to the National debt... spending money we don't have and passing on the problem to your children and grandchildren?

Is it the same Liberal Left Democrats who think that upwards of 25 million Illegal Immigrants isn't enough, and who want open borders? Do ya think that many people willing to work for Third World wages and no benefits might just be a factor in depressed wage rates over the past few decades???

And is it anti-gun Liberal left Democrats who relentlessly work to infringe upon the gun rights of law abiding citizens?

We all know your answer to those questions Billy. Those are just a few of the destructive things you support when you blindly support the Liberal Left DNC dogma you preach.

For virtually all of us who work for a living, no poor man ever gave us a job. No poor man ever provided us with paid health care, and paid vacations, and other benefits like pensions and 401-K matching. Even your teachers salary, benefits, and pension came from taxes paid by rich men and Corporations, and taxes paid by middle class workers who got their income from rich men and Corporations. None of it came from the DNC, the NEA, or people on Welfare who do not pay taxes. None of your salary came from illegal immigrants who don't pay taxes or into Social Security. Do you know how many universities and libraries were endowed by rich men, and how many were endowed by poor men Billy?

Trump has been in office for less than two years and accomplished more than the last Liberal Left Socialist Democrat you had in the White House did in eight years. So here we have you whining and nit-picking and complaining that he hasn't fixed every little thing that has been going on for decades... including during the time your Democrats held power. So why weren't you complaining that Obama did nothing to increase wages, and instead added 15 million people to Welfare and Food Stamp programs? All you want to do is tear Trump down and see him impeached and thrown in prison. You and your fellow Libtards will wring your hands over affairs he may have had decades before taking office while totally excusing Bill Clinton who sexually abused a 19 year old intern in the Oval Office while he was on the taxpayers time clock. And you want to replace Trump with someone who will go back to slowly draining the blood out of this country and who will take away our gun rights.

You are a total and complete idiot Billy. The thought that someone as dumb as you taught our children in public schools makes me sick. The fact that a gun owner who taught school thinks it is good to vote for anti-gunners makes me realize we could save a bunch of money by hiring baboons to teach school.

Bill be honest were you one of the people that thought Obama was going to give you free gasoline foe yO caaa ?

People with Bills "me too, give me" mentality are what the Democratic party flourishes on....

Bill "Making America Great Again" is for everyone...better get off your azz and get on board the Trump Train.

Because she's done left the station.

You can thank Bush 41 NAFTA, he negotiated that beauty.

Why do you keep sticking your head in a pile of cow chit ?

Does the truth bother you Hopless?

Doesn't bother me....Bush was an idiOt all one needed to do was watch him talk.

I had hoped you had pulled your soul out of your inner hidden liberal cesspool.

I guess not.

Bill be honest were you one of the people that thought Obama was going to give you free gasoline foe yO caaa ?

People with Bills "me too, give me" mentality are what the Democratic party flourishes on....

Bill "Making America Great Again" is for everyone...better get off your azz and get on board the Trump Train.

Because she's done left the station.

That was 43 that talked like and idiot and started the war we did not need in Iraq. Bush 41 was well spoken.

I am far from liberal but I do have a strong affinity for the truth.

You want me to ask Keith to dig up your liberal posts from the past ?

Just because I do not walk in lock step with the Republican party does not mean I am liberal. You are too dense to understand that. I support many conservative positions, but not all of them.

I find major flaws in both parties that is why I am an independent. Too complicated for your myopic world view.

Problem is the mAd liberal brAin fArt you posted back on page 5 about Bush had nothing to do with what people were talking about on page 5...

You need to get your head out of the old buffalo chit and look to the future...

Can you even count? I did not post until page ten, and then only to point out that Bush 41 negotiated NAFTA. Hardly a liberal post.

Yea I can count just fine...page 6 I just got on my other foot.

I have mine set up to show more posts per page than you do Mr. Smarty Pants...

Contrary to what you think you don't know everything.

Now if I can just figure out how to eliminate your schOlarly posts all together.

Look I'm the working poor Bill references and he couldn't be more full of SH*T! I chose to work for state government to be of service, I know the same job in the private sector would triple my pay, but I love what I do right were I am at. When the Dems were in office we got furloughs, merit increases were stopped and many of my co workers got laid off. Taxes, food stamps and housing assistance were out of control and if you wanted to start up a small business liberal policies made it almost impossible. It was easier for people to do nothing and live off the state than to actually get up and go out to work 8 hrs a day. The Republicans took over, merit increases started up, no more furloughs and everyone in State gov got a 3% increase in pay. The state went from being in the red to having a surplus. Work requirements were stated and more people went to work. Liberal policies were overturned and more people started up small businesses which in turn created more jobs for people work. This isnt an overnight thing, its been 10yrs and Machias is a pretty cool little town today with more to offer. 10yrs ago under liberal policy it was quickly becoming a ghost town, over run with drugs and crime. I have to admit I was very hesitant of having a tv reality star as president, but things are working out for us based on his current policies. All in all in the past year we have gained 16% increase in pay every pay period. Under Obama we barely made it pay check to pay check. If you put feelings and emotions aside and just look at the brass you will see why despite all the whining his numbers will continue to go up. I can't say everyone will experience growth like we have but I can imagine there are quite a few of us that have. Democrats are not the party of the working man, we have felt the sting from that party. When enacted their polices are instant and damaging. They say patience is a virtue very few have. But give it time and things will get better, they already are for us.

Just because you don't claim to be a lock step liberal, seems to mean you will never criticize their policy or results. I guess hill would've made you feel good enough to justify being on your version of the independent high road?

Nope...I did not support Hill...EVER. Even lil K could not dig up a single quote despite his best efforts.

I spent a whole bunch of time criticizing O-care and the mandate. I guess that does not count.

Good to see you are still following blindly Craig. I would expect nothing less from you.

By the way Craig, did you feel something I wrote was not accurate? Maybe you felt we needed the Iraq war? Did you not want Bush 41 to get credit for his hard work? Maybe the truth bothers you, I am not sure.

And just a little note of reality while we are all reveling in the good economic data. Obama changed the way we measure unemployment from the traditional U6 method of measuring to the U3 method resulting in much lower numbers. If you look at the U6 number current unemployment is sitting at 7.8%. This has been the longest, slowest "recovery" on record. and no, that is not Trumps fault.

Per Mark Twain “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics”

SKB you are correct the last administration twisted and lied and the media allowed them a pass. Politicians of both sides are unreliable narrators. The media more so. These days I find myself having to choose the politician who hurts my interests less, rather than one I like.

SKB trying to argue or reason with some on this board is a waste of time and energy. The little nasty minds simply are what they are. Bless them.

PS at the time I thought the Iraq War reasonable and I think Bush honestly did too, but in hindsight I think differently.

I am more cynical than you on the Iraq war. From the very first mention of it I felt it was a bad idea and that the Bush administration was cherry picking data to support the predetermined decision to go to war while suppressing anything counter. Saddam was sitting on 1950's technology at best. I never could see how they posed any real threat.

For me it was not that Iraq was going to directly threaten the US. It was that Saddam’s continued existence required a continued presence by the US in the Middle East to a degree which had a good many negative side effects. In the end Colin Powell’s view that you break it you buy it turned out to be more right.

It was a situation in which every answer was bad and one had to pick the less poisonous. We may have chosen badly, but I do not believe it was out of an evil intent.

Rarely a week or month goes by where I do not think about the soldiers I lost there.

Thanks for noticing Steve, I try to set a high bar for myself.

It cuts both ways. Just because you feel like you're accurate doesn't mean the facts feel the same way as you do. I feel like I've been consistent in my observations. Do we really feel like we need quotes to figure out which agenda your pet peeves overwhelmingly support?

By the way, it stood in the way, but was it ever about the conventional military or the safe haven? The roaches just scurried over to libya, eh, after your gal left a little vacuum. You never quite ever said you supported her, just felt like the psuedo high road was righteous over electability, independently speaking,eh?

Not my gal, never was, no pseudo support, never will be for her or her kind. Oh by the by, I voted for President Trump. I do not always agree with him but he was the only real choice for a multitude of reasons, guns being just one of them.

News flash....facts do not have feelings. That is for folks intolerable of the truth.

I thought it was about WMDs? Are you suggesting we were mislead and roaches were the real issue? Lies, lies and more lies.......

Seek the truth and you will find the high road Craig. You might find the journey awful uncomfortable though.

Uncomfortable as it may be, the facts are that help like yours could've given us two terms of the likes of algore, for the student of history. Maybe, you like being part of the movement that's inspiring hill to take a third swing at it? Maybe, a warren, holder or oprah will give you truth, truth and more truth?

The journey is looking up, I'm getting a new set of shocks thrown on the ole pickup since it got stuck in the shop for other odds and ends.

The facts certainly are unfortunate. The fact I do not fit in to the mold you are so desperately trying to make fit is unfortunate for you. You see Craig by not supporting the Republicans on every issue in no ways means I support the agenda of the Democratic Party, I do not.

I like the truth. The truth is the Iraq war was a huge mistake and the rational used to enter it was deeply flawed.

The truth is BOTH parties through multiple administrations pushed free trade with little or no concern for the domestic job market.

The journey is looking up.....hunting season is nearly here.

I can only partially agree with “fact.”

Past administrations have indeed talked a free trade agenda, but have for influential friends and supporters manipulated things for their benefit while tolerating similar and in many cases gross manipulations and outright unfree trade actions by many trading partners. The reality of world trade is free trade is a mantra honored in word but not often by action.

Our trade policies are more complex than the free vs tariffs or short term balance of payments many in politics and the media boil it down to. Trump, in his bull in the china shop approach has and will continue to shake things up. Maybe he will get a better deal for American business, however it is in the end a long game and what policy future governments after Trump is a serious question mark. In the short term the shaking things up will be uncomfortable for many, but maybe less uncomfortable than long term economic disadvantage.

An essential element to US power or security (our freedoms) is our nation’s economic abilities. I do not believe either party has done a very good job. I have my doubts about Trump’s approach, but have no doubts that the other options would be worse.

PS: I do concur with your thought hunting season is approaching and it is a good thing

I guess lefty Stevie missed it when I said that some Republicans were also responsible for part of the mess we're in.



Bush 41 was a free trader who started the NAFTA negotiations. It was apparent that it was going to lead to massive job losses and only help our foreign competition. But Liberal Left anti-gun democrat Bill Clinton could have stopped it. Instead, he signed it into law. It was Bill Clinton who dropped the atomic bomb on workers when he finished what Bush 41 started. It was the second piece of legislation he signed after inauguration. The only thing more important to him was to allow gays to join the military, which was the very first thing on his agenda.

Bush 43 was also in favor of so-called Free Trade. Trouble is, most of these deals favored foreign interests and made it tougher for U.S. Corporations and U.S. manufacturing workers to compete. The job losses and Factory closures are undeniable, but many of these fools still cling to even more bad agreements. Trump is fulfilling a campaign promise by fixing their messes. Both Bush's were also too soft on stopping illegal immigration. However, I voted for both of them knowing that either Bill Clinton, Al Gore, or John Kerry would have been much worse choices for our nation on trade, taxes, the Welfare State, immigration, national defense, and especially when it came to preserving the 2nd Amendment.



Lefty Stevie is once again rising up to defend the Liberal Democrats and to denigrate the Republicans. He says he is an independent moderate, but we have never once seen him jump into a thread to defend a Conservative or to defend the 2nd Amendment. He could never show us where he has in the past jumped in to criticize a Democrat for their anti-2nd Amendment actions. I'd like him to show us where he ever did, and I'd like him to show us that his take on the Iraq war is anything but 20-20 hindsight and armchair quarterbacking after the play was ran. His sole contribution to any 2nd Amendment threads in the past has been to attempt to disrupt them, presumably in the hopes of getting them locked or deleted entirely.

SKB Lefty Stevie knows all too well that I could supply dozens of quotes from him to support what I am saying. The fact that he didn't come right out in full support of Hillary while he was criticizing Trump and Republicans is the same sort of disingenuous behavior we saw from Larry Clown and other FUDD supporters of anti-gun Democrats.

By the way, for the millionth time... the Iraq war was not about WMD or about the World Trade Center attack. It was about repeated threats from Saddam Hussein, and his repeated violations of U.N. Sanctions imposed after the 1991 Gulf War. His use of WMD was part of the evidence, and his threats to use WMD again was part of the incentive to attack. 86% of the American public, including many leading Democrat Senators and Congressmen supported going in. WMD was indeed found in Iraq, but he had ample time to move, hide, or dispose of most of it. Liberal Left Democrats will still maintain none was ever found, even after you provide proof, which has been done here numerous times.

This recent claim that Lefty Stevie SKB voted for Trump is a huge surprise since he had nothing good to say about the man when Trump was running for his life in a neck and neck race with the anti-gunner Hillary. Here's where I confronted Stevie about the same line of bullshit in February in my post #506513

https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=506373&page=22

I'm going to have to see a lot more before I ever believe he is anything but a Liberal Left Democrat FUDD who finally realizes that openly supporting anti-gunners might not be a good thing for someone who does gunsmithing for a living. My opinion is based totally on what I have seen from him here in the past, and I do not believe one bit of what he is claiming to be now.
This is remarkably similar to seeing King Brown claiming to support the 2nd Amendment after weeks of posting anti-2nd Amendment propaganda right out of Anti-gunner's playbooks. Of course, many here have seen the same thing from Lefty Stevie, and understand the game he is playing. Here's a warning to Stevie from a thread earlier this year, reminding him what happened to Jim Zumbo when he supported banning semi-auto rifles. I'm sure that Stevie won't mind me repeating this since he claims to have such a strong affinity for the truth.



Fool me once... shame on you. Fool me twice... shame on me.

Geez Steve, don't change on my account. I'm just pointing out the obvious. The only person you have to convince is yourself.

It's unfortunate that you are trying to convince me that the pet peeve is more important than the whole package. The facts are, if got your algore, you would'a got a lot more baggage than resolution of a few gripes. Come to think of it, for the student of history, those gripes never would have happened in the first place. If you had your gore, you'd have not a thing to criticize, eh?

That's right craigd. If Stevie got his Al Gore, or his John Kerry, or his Hillary Clinton, he would have been just as quiet as he was during the 8 years when his Barack Obama was attempting to gut the 2nd Amendment, expand the deficit and the Welfare State, light the White House with gay rainbow lights, and permit transgender men to use ladies restrooms.

Lefty Stevie comes out when he sees an opportunity to criticize pro-gun Conservatives and Republicans. Pay attention to what he does... not what he says. He is as reliable coming out of his hole to knock Republicans as Punxutawney Phil is looking for his shadow on Groundhog Day.

Keep on marching blindly boys.....

Keep on marching blindly, boys.....

(kuld’nt Rezist)


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Bash and Pop (Hi,Ted)
https://youtu.be/_ym4Bjlsw-I

Jaysus. Really? You want to be Lance Corporal forever?

https://youtu.be/YDgKLb8gzGI

Best,
Ted

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Who buys that shiit?

I thought I already mentioned that I'll be driving? Blind or not, it's better to know who one's marching with, eh Steve?

Full disclosure is always best Craig.

Maybe you can enlighten us about those roaches?

Best,
Steve

“...eh Steve?”

eh, Steve?



craigd might sip a beer now and again, but marijuana? Nah.


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Terminal Lance, Lonny Rhodes
https://youtu.be/qiOteJHhTT4

Whew. That was so cute, I had a tough time holding my walleye and spinach sandwich down.

More better. Less jangly. I like the guitars, and the walleye, crunchy.

https://youtu.be/9zFfRSeA1ls

Best,
Ted


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Baby kissing, corporate rock whores.

Well Steve, think Alex Henry rifle. You thought it was all about the WMD's, but like guns, they just sit there and don't do squat like those you indirectly march with will have folks believe. Roaches are roaches regardless of race, color, creed or sexual identity. All that matters is profiling those who would use, threaten to use, or do any of the many similar type things with or without WMD's.

Now, you can disclose how much you're sending to the Trump reelection campaign, since you claim you aren't marching with hill. Oh and, thanks for asking, you read like you're marching with the pc police, eh?

Thanks for the hubris filled response Craig. That was a pretty lame attempt to justify both the war and the poor rational sold to the American public for the war. So lies are fine as long as roaches are the target in your world. Not so in mine. Are Lies fine by Democrats as well? Gulf of Tonkin lies just fine as well as the hundreds of thousands of American servicemen lives lost? War is sometimes unavoidable but that was not the case in Iraq, or Vietnam for that matter.

I think I'll wait until the Mueller probe concludes before making any donations. If evidence comes to light that Trump was working with the Russians then both he and your gal Hill should be prosecuted for electoral meddling. We know the Dems tilted the field and they should certainly be held accountable. Why that is not happening and Wasserman-Schultz is not being prosecuted is beyond me. Oh gee wait a second I never say anything negative about Dems.....I forgot.

Lets both hope Trump stays in office long enough to run for re-election......

I dunno Steve, if you asked for justification, I might have given it half a thought, but you didn't, did you? Speaking of lame, I can see you're watching out for your back, don't want to tilt too far, eh.

That sounds like a combination....

Skb...You could be the only liberal in the world that refers to himself as a gunsmith.

It is not that I do not plan on donating. I'm just taking my time deciding which billionaire is most in need

Forest for the trees, Steve. You might consider which country needs it the most, the United States of America or the un states of the socialist republik. Best of luck and times out in the field this fall.

There is a very good reason Lefty Stevie is making his token negative statement about Democrats. There are no atheists in foxholes. He's pretending to be a Trump supporter and believer because he needs to cover his tracks now that bombs are dropping all around him and his disdain for Trump and pro-gun Republicans.

This is the exact same thing King Brown would do when people started taking notice of his frequent anti-2nd Amendment rhetoric. Then he would suddenly pretend to support gun rights for a short time.

Just look at Stevie's sudden interest in election meddling. Where was he when Obama's State Dept. was using our tax dollars to meddle in the Israeli election? Obama's disdain for Netanyahu, and support for anyone else was quite obvious. Obama's collusion with Russians was as noticeable as Hillary's Russian reset button, and was actually caught on a microphone he thought was turned off. SKB Lefty Stevie was as silent as a mouse, just as he was about the many Clinton scandals.

As I said before, don't listen to what Stevie says... pay attention to what he actually does.



I disagree jOe. There are most likely a couple other Liberal gunsmiths. But most of them aren't dumb enough to make a habit of knocking pro-gun politicians like Stevie does. But he can always count on other Libtards and FUDD's like rocky mtn bill as customers.

Craig,
Best to you this fall afield as well. You do not need to worry about those nasty Socialists, that is so 2016. A few more summits with Putin and we will all be Comrades anyway

This one is for you LR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3_qUDwF-Ns

D.A.C. — one of my favorites.

You listening, Ted?


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https://youtu.be/Gc3EVDD8qhU

ARA.....now that is a classic!!

Better fit than ARA

https://youtu.be/yWD7AzjqJO0


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same theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhPVZbINR0w


Yup, you can not beat Coe. About 2003 or so I owned a mid-90's Toyota T100 that had D.A.C's greatest hits stuck in the tape player. Radio reception is not great on the high plains. I would hate to think how many times I heard that tape. My bird hunting buddy still talks about it, good times.

Man, what I'd give to be turning 45 this week, not 60. LOL

I hear 60 is the new 50 James, Cheer up. Happy Birthday

Happy birthday cback. Would you do me a favor? If Steve mentions it, make up some story about how I'm not just blindly following along, will you.

Steve, thank you. I console myself with a good life. Quality scotch, tequila and wine, guns I enjoy, good friends and hunting (and everything else) on my timetable. Lol

Craig I will try but as Keith regularly confirms for us, on this board our every comment follows us forever. We are each prisoners of our past words. Besides, Steve is a smart guy. He’ll know if I’m full of it. Hahaha!!

Hunting season is coming. We’ll all feel better soon.

Ha! So true... Happy birthday, Canvasback!