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Posted By: Bibbyman Stevens sidelock hammer double questions - 02/25/17 12:39 PM
In the journey to complete a $10 flea market Stevens 235 I keep finding more old Stevens hammer double guns. I bought an incomplete Stevens 225.




Then I picked up a 250 for parts gun that is missing buttstock and forend. Now I'm watching for parts to put this old dowg back into shooting condition.

My general question is, just how many hammer double models did Stevens make?

More specific, just in sidelock hammer doubles, how many models are there?

Real specific, are there any models that share the same parts - like buttstock and forends?
It seems each new catalog the J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co. issued during the first decade of the Twentieth Century the sidelock hammer doubles changed. In General Catalog No. 50, J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co.'s only double was the No. 250.



By General Catalog No. 51, they had gone to their mono-bloc style of barrel construction and the sidelock doubles were the No. 250 --



No. 260 --



and No. 270 --



By General Catalog No. 52 (circa 1906) they eliminated the underbolts and enlarged the rib extension for a rotary bolt. No. 250 --



No. 260 & 270 --



No. 280 --



Then they changed their method of barrel construction again, going to a chopper lump manner of construction they called Demi-Bloc. and the sidelock doubles became the No. 255 --



and the No. 265 --



The No. 255 and 265 remained the sidelock hammer offerings through the last J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co. catalog. They were gone by the February 1917, J. Stevens Arms Co. revised price list.
Thanks for all the effort you went to to compile this information.

I seen some or all of it posted at different places. It made it hard to make a complete study.

My old relic 250 appears to be second model shown with the though latch bolt design. What I have of the gun looks bad from the outside but it locks up tight and has pretty good bores.

Is there any reason to hope that parts from this range of guns will interchange? My chances of finding wood and forend would be improved.
I'd guess your odds of finding original wood for a pre WW-I J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co. sidelock hammer double are about the same as hitting the Powerball. The guns themselves seem to be pretty darn scarce.
I wish it had the forend iron. It would make it a lot more feasible to put back to working order. Seems like the forend is the first thing that go missing on these old guns.

I also have a Stevens 225 that is also missing the forend.
Posted By: Der Ami Re: Stevens sidelock hammer double questions - 02/26/17 02:31 PM
Bibbyman,
If you can arrange to come to East Alabama, with the parts you do have, there is at least a fair chance I may have some of the things you need in my "Junk Pile". I have several different "forearm irons", maybe even one you need. The only way to know, is to check through the pile.
Mike
Originally Posted By: Der Ami
Bibbyman,
If you can arrange to come to East Alabama, with the parts you do have, there is at least a fair chance I may have some of the things you need in my "Junk Pile". I have several different "forearm irons", maybe even one you need. The only way to know, is to check through the pile.
Mike


I know what would happen, I'd end up with another project gun or two!

I have made friends with an old gunsmith that can fill a 5 gallon bucket with Savage/Stevens double barrel parts but he seems to be missing the parts I need. I've ended up with at least 6 project guns from visiting him.

I talked to an old curmudgeon at a gun show yesterday that thinks he may have parts for my project shotguns. I'm planning on visiting wiht him sometime soon.

I also know another old gunsmith that may have Stevens parts. I'm going to touch base with him next weekend.

The payoff at the end is not worth the trouble and expense. It's the jurney and challenge that's worth the effort.



Here is my 235 project gun that started out as a flea market find. The buttstock is borrowed from a 225 I found. It took at least a year to get this far along.
Project update.

I had reason to visit Macon Gunshop Company in Warsaw Missouri on Tuesday. I took along the Stevens 250 action to see if they had or could make a buttstock for it. Bryan Macon rolled the action around in his hands and said, "This looks strangely familiar.". He soon came to realize he was working on replacing the buttstock on the very same model gun. We went down to his stock making factory and sure enough, his Stevens was just like mine.

I ordered a buttstock and forend wood from him.

I've found a forend from a 225 in my collection that fits. I really need to find or make a forend iron for it. We're going to visit another parts scrounger here in a bit.
Posted By: sxsman1 Re: Stevens sidelock hammer double questions - 04/27/18 03:51 PM
Bibbyman, there is a complete fore end assembly for a Stevens 235 on Ebay. I don't know if this is what you're looking for, but check it out.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Forend-assembly-for-Stevens-235-Double-Barrel-Shotgun-16Ga/312115211436?hash=item48ab842cac:g:elAAAOSwnbla2hod
Pete
Originally Posted By: sxsman1
Bibbyman, there is a complete fore end assembly for a Stevens 235 on Ebay. I don't know if this is what you're looking for, but check it out.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Forend-assembly-for-Stevens-235-Double-Barrel-Shotgun-16Ga/312115211436?hash=item48ab842cac:g:elAAAOSwnbla2hod
Pete


I'm watching that one. It'll be interesting to see what it goes for. I don't know if the 12 and 16 gauge used the same frame width. I find forends that are narrower for 20 gauge.

I visited with an old scrounger today and bought 6 forends from him. None are exactly what I need but I think I can cut two up and make one that will work. I bought 4 others because you never know..
Posted By: skeettx Re: Stevens sidelock hammer double questions - 04/28/18 02:13 AM
He has LOTS of Stevens stuff

https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=stevens&_ssn=blair_project&hash=item48ab842cac%3Ag%3AelAAAOSwnbla2hod&item=312115211436&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2046732.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.Xstevens+235.TRS0&_nkw=stevens+235&_sacat=0


My Stevens 250 project made a major leap forward recently. Wednesday we picked up new wood from the Macon Gunstock Company at Warsaw Missouri.

This spring Mary, our youngest son and I drove down to the Macon Gunstock Company so son could order a left hand sporter stock for his 03 Springfield.

I took along the action of the Stevens 250 just to see if they had anything like it. Brian Macon rolled the action over and around and said, "This looks strangely familiar.". It came to him that he was putting new wood on the same model Stevens. He retrieved his relic and we made the comparison. He had a broken stock to work with and his own gunstock company to back him up.



Here is his 250. I hope mine looks as good.
Posted By: ed good Re: Stevens sidelock hammer double questions - 07/23/18 01:07 PM
well done!
Here is the scan of the page with the No. 250 from J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co. Catalog No. 50 (circa 1902) --



I seem to have lost the scans from the later catalogs. I deleted every pic I had in Photobucket, so they will never be coming back.
By Catalog No. 51, J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co. had gone to the mono-bloc style of barrel construction --



added the 16-gauge to the offerings and versions with Twist and Damascus barrel tubes --

Posted By: Der Ami Re: Stevens sidelock hammer double questions - 07/23/18 01:55 PM
It's interesting that they show the barrel sleeves stopping in the breech block with the joint in the chamber area.
Mike
By Catalog No. 52 (circa 1906), J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co. had eliminated the underbolt, lengthened the rib extension and went to using a rotary bolt through the rib extension.



They also added a No. 280 with Krupp Steel barrel tubes --

Posted By: 2-piper Re: Stevens sidelock hammer double questions - 07/23/18 02:12 PM
Originally Posted By: Der Ami
It's interesting that they show the barrel sleeves stopping in the breech block with the joint in the chamber area.
Mike


I have a Belgian Pieper marked Modified Diana which uses that type of joining of the barrels to the breech block (Pieper didn't call it a Mono-Block) . On the Pieper the joint is in about the middle of the chamber & the barrels are threaded in which it appears is the case with the Stevens also, though the barrel stubs are shorter on the Stevens.
By General Catalog No. 52 (Revised Edition), J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co. had changed their method of barrel construction to what they called Demi-Bloc, which most of us know as chopped lump.





They dropped Twist and Damascus barrels and the sidelock hammer doubles became the No. 255 and No. 265 --



The No. 255 and No. 265 remained through the last J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co. catalogs and price lists, but didn't survive into the J. Stevens Arms Co. era.
Thanks for your efforts.
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