I'm not going to get into the politics of this Convention but for those of you that missed it Donald Trump JRs speech where he went into detail on the importance of the 2nd Amendment was one of the high lights of the Convention so far. A ringing endorsement of the right to keep and bear that we hold dear and should guarantee the endorsement of his father of every member on this forum.
Jim

Here here, bravo.
JR

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP.....

on this we can agree...

following is link to video of trump jr's full speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YshWb3QMDtk

Trump,Trump,Trump

What- you are not voting for Bernie? What a putz..

Too bad the Trump supports an assault weapons ban as he did in his book.

"Assault Weapons" purchases are already restricted.

Was your point due to ignorance, or intentional obfuscation? I suspect a combination of both.

Well, everyone is against something...I hate thin Hollandaise sauce,,,,,

If Nancy-boy Chris aka nca225 actually thought that this was Trump's current position, he/she would be enthusiastically endorsing Trump.

As it stands, Nancy-boy Chris has already told us that he/she intends to vote for the extreme anti-gunner Hillary Clinton. Nancy-boy Chris also voted for the extreme anti-gunner Barack Hussein Obama. I wonder why Nancy-boy Chris does not seem to have a problem with their positions on gun rights and gun ownership?

I think we all know the answer to that question. For some people, gay rights are much more important than gun rights.

only a schlemiel would suggest that anyone genuinely here would vote for bernie...

About a year ago, you were endorsing the extreme anti-gunner ex-NYC mayor Michael Bloomberg for president. Do you recall this response you made to Dave K. in his "Top Ten Anti-Gunners 2014" thread on 12/29/2014 in Misfires?



You also started a thread titled "Who Can Beat Cuomo in 16?" That would be the extreme anti-gunner, Democrat N.Y. Governor Andrew Cuomo. Nobody responded to your Trolling in that one. Idiot.

This is where this thread goes to name calling and pissing on each others legs by the same people against the same people...BORING!!!!!!

Go down to the lead thread, LD. King, Larry and craigd are in the drawing room drinking wine and politely discussing the science of lead shots effect on wildlife. Or join me in the den. I'm pounding King's single malt and watching hockey. Philly is crushing the Pens! Crosby sucks!

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I wish that I could be perfect like you Last Dollar. Remember this post you made here in the main forum a while back?



Have a nice day hypocrite.

I wish you could be perfect like me too....Keep working at it..I don't think it can happen tho...

only a smuck would use this fine forum as a place to post false statements and as a launch pad for slanderous personal attacks...

That's an easy one to answer. While I don't agree fully agree on their positions on gun control, I consider their positions on a multitude of issues and find that I agree more with the democratic platform than the bigoted republican platform. Its not too hard to think about more then just the second amendment but for some people who are intentionally narrow and willfully ignorant, like you, I can see how you get hung up princess. And your right, I don't like to see discrimination and bigotry, so I do consider a candidate's position on gay rights. I hope you enjoy multiculturalism and equality as much as I do!

FOI what was it that you like to say about people who vote for a candidate that has a historic anti gun record, like Trump? I hope you don't get suckered on this one, but then again you are an easy mark.

Cmon King! Jump in here, you'll miss your turn....BORING BORING Same old shit. different day....

Well LD, sometimes its just good fun to get princess's panties in a twist. Oh how chaffed she must be.

BORING BORING BORING

I doubt he'll do it, but rumor has that Trump will close his convention howling like a leg hound with a belly ache. What if that resonates better than the shrill barking of the platform lap dog? Just kidding nca, good pitch for pro choice.

I somewhat reluctantly posted the information regarding Donald Trump JRs rousing support of the 2nd Amendment in the speech he gave last night at the RNC. Instead of bravos I seeing the usual B.S. from the left wing trolls on this forum.
YOU ARE A BUNCH OF DISGUSTING CREEPS AND MY FONDEST HOPE IS YOU ALL GO ROT IN HELL.

Probably more correct to say burn in Hell, but we get your point. Care to lay odds on my chances?

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I'm sick of arguing over semantics Adrienne Peirce

. . . dear, dear, Jim, what could have put you in such a foul frame of mind? Not following your better judgement by praising young Donald when we all know the words were written for him? Or that the lads are having a little fun? Keep cool. Only a few months to be delivered to your Promised Land.

How so very Christ like of you.

I think he meant to say "eat shit and die"....jes sayin...

https://youtu.be/uFubsxHTApw

"That's it! I'm goin'!"

"I know, man. You dig it the most!"

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trump jr's speech was well done...he looks good and sounds good...

wonder what political future he has in mind?

governor of ny would be a logical stepping stone to the white house, say in 2024?

now this could be an interesting contest...trump jr vs chelsey...

I agree. The more egg yolks the better. Nothing like thick Bearnaise Sauce on a grilled steak.

Pseudo-elitist attempts at condescending retorts are always humorous.

You mean the 2016 Stanley Cup winning Pittsburgh Penguins don't you? Better luck next year but I'm bettin that the Pens will be in it again.

as to hollandaise sauce, the knorr powder is quite acceptable...same for their bernaise and alfredo sauces...fact is, shrimps alfredo, made with knorr alfredo powder, plus a splash of dry white wine and served on fettucchine, al dente, is a superb meal when enhanced with a tossed salad and more white, such as a pinot or sauvignon blanc...

Mr. Brown, so what if Donald Jr. used a speechwriter? I trust Pres. Obama used a speechwriter when he plaigarized Deval Patrick and that VP Biden also used a speechwriter when he plaigarized Neil Kinnock. What matters is whether his dad believes in the 2nd Amendment. We know his opponent does not.

They all use speechwriters today. Watching the Trump roster in Cleveland tonight, I wondered if wordmakers and teleprompters could make an orator of Elmer Fudd.

My point was Jim lost it after members poked fun at Junior's stentorian effort in support of the Second, while his father's adherence to it is in question.

I agree with you that what matters is whether he believes in it or not. Trump owns the party now, beholding to none. What he says goes for the GOP.

On the evidence of his or ghostwriter's words, and the standard by some members judge fealty to the Second, he's an out-and-out anti.

I think not. He falls into the "what's reasonable" category, definitely not Jim's notion of an inalienable right.

My sentiments exactly...

Trouble is they thrive on eating and rolling in shit'.

The only language liberal demons understand...

At the debate when they were asked to respond to the previous President of Mexico saying he would not pay for that "damn" wall everyone else was looking around for the right words to say, Trump, without hesitation, responded, "Good, that wall just got 10 feet higher."

How can you not like that guy.

How can anyone make Hollandaise sauce out of an envelope? That's as phony as King Brown.....Well maybe not quite

Thanks for the qualifier, LD!

A common cliche response, don't you think? Trump's entertaining as an Archie Bunker but it doesn't make him less of a vulgarian. Sixty per cent disapproval: most Americans think so, too.

I don't understand that position. He's not against immigration he's against illegal immigration. He's not against Muslims immigrating, he's against allowing ISIS to move people into this country through Muslim immigration.

Where is there disagreement?

I dated a vulgarian in my younger days. A wee bit hairy but otherwise a nice gal.


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Aaaaie, ooo are you? Whar are you from?
(The mangy looking cat sleeping next to the local made it even funnier)

When will you people learn that politics, case color restoration and return policies are best not doscussed on this site.

They never end in a favorable result.

My goal here is to post information that is often overlooked regarding gun control issues. It is the left wing Libtards who infest this otherwise great forum that try as hard as they can to make these posts derisive as possible and to turn off others, I will probably go back to asking Dave to close the thread as soon as I make it.
Jim

It may be 'best' to discuss serial numbers and dates of manufacture, but 'communities' are probably a bit more complex, I would think. Even though it may not seem favorable, some may be able to gain helpful information out of the very same results.

His vulgarity or disapproval rating: which you don't understand, please.

Personally, for me:

It's better not to get involved in the political process of the United States, nothing is accomplished by watching the decline of the United States (except for my health being affected), it's been a pig on roller skates going down hill for a long time. I'm just waiting for the abrupt end.

At one time I thought that the political process was moved by the people, I was wrong we are just pawns, I understand that the United States is a dictatorship, and if I didn't find a place in the United States free from the dictatorship, I would have moved to PEI Canada a long time ago.

The United States still has more freedom than other countries even if it's a really fucked up nation of political idiots.

Brian, it's true that responses to those subjects usually go downhill from informative to demeaning and ridiculous, mostly from a relatively few members.

Jim's post-and-close notion is to selfishly use our forum to express his political opinions without any ifs, buts or whys from the rest of us.

For those who disagree, his fondest wish is that we rot in hell. Jim diminishes the spirit in which Dave provided this board, of which B. Dudley is a prime example.

You are a generous and informative participant.

Tut Tut, old bean...Rather lofty attitude, what? -harumph harrumph....carry on...
PS: Not one bird EVER died from ingesting lead shot...

From your heart for sure, Spooky, but don't give up believing in your country as a great nation. It's going through tumultuous times because it has finally faced
corruption of its parties and principles, as all countries do from time to time. Who imagined tens of millions attracted to a socialist senator and reality star upsetting Washington governance a few years ago? Those who don't believe in their country do not remain for long as citizens of a great country.

king: your assessment of trump as a reality star is valid...however, there is far more to trump than his acting skills...his track record of wheeling and dealing with special interest groups in the pursuit of real estate development goals is extensive and admirable...one would hope that those skills are transferable to the washington political arena...for the better, we can hope...

James...

'My goal here is to post information that is often overlooked regarding gun control issues.'

Seriously? If you did not think the usual suspects would create multiple pages of insults and diatribes, then maybe you should decline from voting.

Just say'n.

And for some of the 'Christians' on this forum....maybe one of your tv evangelists are correct...god is punishing your fine country for failing to live the way of the lord.

Go ahead keith, you can start by calling me a fagot again....but I forgive you nonetheless....it's the Christian thing to do.

Ed, Trump is unelectable for what he is. Just today he pleased Putin no end by saying the US would not protect a NATO member encroached upon by Russia. In effect, the end of the US-led western alliance. His ghostwriter author of The Art of the Deal has another view of his business acumen and morality. One should pray they're not transferable to anything.

Couldn't help but note the shots at 'Christians' here. Not for me to judge, but do not take that to mean that you will not be Judged...Geo

Thank you, Geo.

SRH

And me as well here Geo. It seems that the same type of individual that would wrongfully try to demonize Trump for supporting mainstream American values is the same as those who demonize Christians. There will be a special place in Hell for these fools.
Jim

To me, this is a 'favorable' result. We learn that even though we're lectured that this is a multi issue country, the lines that're drawn are pretty consistent. dal decided to comment, but I suspect he didn't even know that the fellow who brought Christianity into the 'discussion' is a secular liberal poking fun at another member. I think I can't 'lose' if lines are clearly defined instead of me being mislead.

king: are you suggesting that trump is a fraud? his track record of entrepreneurial success seems to indicate that he is the real deal...an amazingly successful businessman, whose legendary ability to make it happen on time and under budget, is, hopefully transferable to government...

and as for nato, it does not appear to be of any value to us here in 2016...could it be time for a new world order? like those with economic power, making a trade alliance of self interest...a new triple entente consisting of us, russia and china? i mean, when people are busily getting rich, they have no time nor inclination to make war...

There is more. Hitler was paranoid about the Jewish "problem". DJT seems to suggest we have "problem" with Mexicans and Muslims.

There is no "Hell". By "Hell" you mean maggots, bacteria,....that feed on decomposing flesh?

The con artists are not correct. The problem is the changing environment of planet earth with more unpredictable and violent weather patterns.

Speaking of con artists, how do you deny the right to free speech? You task your atgen lynch to investigate if 'climate change deniers' can be prosecuted under the RICO statutes. Neat trick, eh?

Ed, running a business and government are two entirely different things. It's absurd to believe Trump's claims tonight that he'll solve all of America's domestic and international problems "fast" and "quickly." As for a US-China-Russia trade deal, the only rich there are oligarchs hollowing out their countries. NATO is the US-led western military alliance. Trump would give it to Putin. What's the last time the US won a military action by itself? Grenada? Panama?

When was the last time a Canadian team won the Stanley Cup?

Maybe we'll give Putin Canada and your bug infested forests while we're at it. See how you like tree management Soviet (Gangham) Style.

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Git thee fook.....

WE have a real problem with illegal immigration from the south and Muslim terrorist entering out country under the guise of being a refugee.

Finally we agree on something.....it's going to take the US teaming up with Russia to annihilate this mid evil Holy War the world is facing.

Why because the European countries have all but destroyed themselves by letting millions of so called muslim refugees into their country.
Even if not a single one of them is a terrorists they've let enough of them in to destroy their culture and possibly take over their country.

(I'm sure Larry Brown capt'n of the muslim loving defense team will be along shortly to correct me.

The solution to illegal immigration problem is not to hire them and hold those that do accountable. The refugees from Middle East are not the problem.

That's Trump's idea, Joe. Read the current Atlantic.

Putin is respectable leader who works very hard every day to make his country great. A Christian country run by Christians the way it should be. He would make very good ally in fight against radical islamic revolutionaries.

For god's sake, lonesome, don't spoil our gig! Canada is cleaning up to make America great. Nova Scotia's Sid Crosby won the Cup for you twice. He's parading it around up here as if he owns it.

You're on the internet, man. If Trump gets wind of it, we're done. He'll build another wall to keep us and the Russians out. We're taking hundreds of millions of dollars out of there---and all those jobs. Cool it, please.

Just remember, Geo's warning applies to you too.

for those care to read it, here is a link to trump's very inspiring acceptance speech...

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/fu...h-at-rnc-225974

Almost makes me want to vote for him...if I could. A great experiment if he gets elected.

Looks like he also supports the gay community...hmmmmm.

Looks like a lot here won't be vote'n trump...eh Keith?

How can you "Win a War" when you show up the enemy either runs and hides into another country or disappears into the civilian population.

Every vote counts even the mentally queer...

I really don't think there's enough queers to swing an election with the exception of maybe Californica....

"How can you "Win a War" when you show up the enemy either runs and hides into another country or disappears into the civilian population."

Stupidity, poking noses where they're not wanted, doesn't help, for sure. Look closely at Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan or Cuba's 40,000 troops fighting successfully with liberation movements in Africa.

Point is there are limits to military power. Tens of millions of Americans supporting Trumpism's withdrawal and isolation from military and trade alliances that strengthen the free world will hasten America's decline.

Trumpism itself is an example and consequence of a people angered by the corruption of their parties and principles. He shoved aside a great party of moderation and claimed the nomination as his own. It is.

America will not buy it. Reason will win. Not fear and demagoguery.

the most important thing to happen as a result of this convention was.........trump revealed that there is no longer a real republican delegation anymore. they are as corrupt as the dems.
i hope he cleans house.

Cutting off your nose to save your face is cleaning house? Goofy, unbridled pomposity isn't reform. What's with UK and US conservatives throwing baby out with bath water. It will take three years for UK to get out of EU and another three to try to get back in. And UK economy as parlous as yours. Let's hear the upside, eh?

(I have to hand it to member Ted. He had a line from the beginning on Cruz, last man standing in the Trump-reality-show primaries. There wasn't a hope for the other contestants facing a reality show wizard in a country besotted by celebrity. "Could you imagine voting for a woman with her face?")

I don't know about stupidly when you are trying to route out a bunch of dirt bags that should be wiped out as vermin.

Its the politician that lose heart and impose such stringent 'rules of engagement' on the troops that it boils down to, what's the point of us being here. For example, they tried to melt into the civilian population so we trained a bunch of guys and gave them scope mounted Remington bolt action rifles to start blasting this scum into oblivion from unheard of distances. Brilliant tactic, just plain brilliant in my opinion and tactics these scum bags couldn't counter. First thing they requested was for us to remove the 'snipers' so what did we do, remove our 'snipers.'

Makes no difference what are the "rules"---they're not observed anyway; torture and no-mercy are a given---people who believe in their country and are willing to die to defend it don't buckle under to foreign invaders, including the most powerful panoply of military power in the world.

Tactics? The US-trained and expensively equipped Iraqi army fled from a few hundred ISIS because they wouldn't die for their corrupt governors. Trump now says he will do it "fast" all by himself, which means more sons and daughters as sacrifices while the country has said clearly to Obama to stay to hell out of there.

This is a tumultuous time for the country, acknowledged by its own citizens as dysfunctional in governance, neurotic and without direction, aberrations of a magnificent andt noble tradition of high human values and leadership. Believing in Trump as messiah to cure all ills is madness. There's no support for his notions on this board.

Lenin do you ever get the feeling you are so full of pompous banal drivel that you might explode at any minute ?

And perhaps suffer from terminal psychological projection ?

I don't buy it.

America necessarily loses, because they poke their nose in where not wanted? Not long ago, we were told that Bush, as a puppet of Cheney, went into iraq for, drum roll, the oil. Not because he was nosy.

Don't ignore the oil angle, or the cerveza, cigars, maybe even the spaetzle or the maple. Point is, doesn't Trump say he recognizes military and economic alliances and responsibilities, difference being, he wants to 'redistribute' the cost of strengthening the free world?

Trump is a populist, but angry at corruption? C'mon King, you can do better than talking points. When all the mythical anger of the primaries is forgotten, a bunch rally around her and a bunch rally around Trump. The last standing 'feud' on the national radar is with cruz. Are you saying that cruz is representative of good ole boy party corruption?

Teddy bear mike brown's mother is scheduled to speak at the dn convention next week. Is that big money systemic party corruption like hillery represents? No it isn't, but it's an example of a lie trumped by pc in the hope of rallying the base. Do you suppose ferguson was looted and wrecked because those peaceful folks were upset that hilery is concealing billions offshore in Canada, gained by sec-o-state influence peddling?

I didn't think so. But don't doubt it for a moment, a good chunk of America will buy it.

No. Feel pretty good in my skin, postoak. Fit, nearing 85 in the regular work force, a strong market for notions in my head, taking my turn at the communal oars, enjoying myself on the board. Leaving mental for the weak and poor, rich and influential, of all colours and political stripes, to decide. I lack no invitations into their company. Thanks for your interest.

Yes, craig, a good chunk will buy it. That's principally what frightens---well, not so much frightens as annoys me---because without reasonable US leadership the rest of us will drift off into a lonely orbit of despair. I love America.

Don't understand your Trump angry at corruption. America is angry at the corruption of their parties and principles. My wife and I were saying this morning we have more respect for Cruz for standing by his principles. He may understand Trump more than anyone.

Most members know pretty much how each feels about issues discussed on this board. Anger is a powerful force. Employment, immigration, crime, racial divide, foreign and social policies are hot issues. Add the Second for Jim. Anger is poison for judgement.

A consequence is Trump winning the College and not the vote---a bad dream for me but I'm sticking to the biggest rout in US history.

I think he's fixin' to blow any second now.

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What frightens, no annoys me more than anything, is that half of the US and most of the world knows that hill is concealing billions from influence peddling under the veil of a pc acceptable big corporate offshore laundering 'foundation' in Canada. Just kidding, it's okay, I'm with her, right?

Cruz, and vet this with your missus, had a most amazing stand on principles over the last few days.

He was invited and allowed by Trump to speak even though his speech was vetted and known to not include an endorsement. Immediately, he is said to have gone off script, though he signed an agreement that the rule of convention speeches will be followed. Then, controversy erupts, he had signed an agreement, without anyone twisting his arm, that he would support the eventual party nominee.

Cruz jumps up on a side stump and says, I break my signed agreement because I'm doing for the American people. Fine, but if he gets a little hot under the collar, personal feelings, he growls, trump his insincerity about the American people. I say, so what about your feelings, it just a punks game right?

Who cares? Well the thing is, is that Cruz or Jeb, etc. would've turned to, I can only mention for myself, me and said I demand your vote. Weird, eh?

It's simply a matter of who blows first. craigd or King.

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Boring Boring Boring. LD

Respectful people don't let people shit on their heads, or their wives faces or their father's reputation. It's absurd to think anyone could be corrupted to the point of going along with it to be elected street sweeper or president of the United States.

Cruz wouldn't be a "servile puppy dog" to meet Trump's process for party unity where it doesn't exist. Cruz was human, vindictive, no hypocrite in these circumstances. I respect him for it. Papers mean little in the punk's game.

Bay watch reruns on channel 131..

I would've agreed to the absurdity right up until that servile puppy dog, sanders, got borked by his fellow dem party. Feigning unity where none exists, yet puppeting, I'm with her. Weird, eh?

Okay King, take the last word, we're getting preempted.

Baywatch had spectacular optics, Last Dollar. But you'll wear this one. You won't be able to change the channel.

craig, we may agree more on elements of dysfunctional governance. You sweat more directly involved as voter, I the consequences for the world.

Our pre-empters appear to think of it as another reality show or tiddlywinks.

Nah, King

Just the same old reruns everyone is sick of watching.

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Wish I was in Tahoe golfing.

thank goodness for the constitution...regardless of who winds up being our new pres, the people will still have ultimate power, as expressed via the representatives we send to dc...

and the results of the congressional elections of 2018 will be an indication of the peoples satisfaction or lack there of with our new pres...remember what happened to congress as a result of the elections of 2010?

Understand your feelings. I get sick of same-old, too. Regards.

I got to admit, up until Cruz gave his speech, I had not one nice thing to say of him. I vehemently disagree with his policies and world view, but at least he has the courage of his convictions.

Brave and bold nca. Interesting how lefties embrace sore losers. Would you feel anywhere near the same if he were the nominee, I didn't think so. Should bern rip 'em a new one tonight....because of his convictions? So, you're another one in the signed agreements mean nothing camp.

How about the courage of her convictions. Did she really name d.waserperson honorary cochair of her campaign. What's it gonna be, hill barks at the boo birds or waserperson comes down with more laryngitis?

I have an idea for you thrifty, why don't you just be happy that some people can can give credit to another, where credit is due, as opposed to trying to turn it into prodding by obfuscating non issues?

You know I'm going to vote for Clinton. I know that doesn't sit well with you, but just in case you don't know, I don't give a sh!t about what bothers you.

That being said, best of luck with your Manchurian candidate or should I say Russian candidate?

I've mentioned in the past I don't care who you vote for, when it comes to voting, the thing that doesn't sit well with me is folks who don't vote. On a personal level, because I know your feelings and who you're voting for, it affects how I would interact with you. But, I admit, it's only $hit that's important to me.

As for obfuscating, I disagree, with you, that credit is due in this situation. That person may have other redeeming qualities, but credit is not due, in my mind, for backing out on two signed agreements. Thank you for your idea.

http://youtu.be/t4ZGKI8vpcg

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Aaayyyyyyyy!

At what point, or is there even a point where dignity overcomes party loyalty?

Are there enough Depends for Hill when Putin leaks the State Department emails? Nova Scotia would be a nice place for a Dacha, don't you think?

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At what point will you let a little dignity overcome candidate loyalty. That's not a tingle that you feel up your leg, you're feel'in the bern when you tinkle. Ooops, did ole thrifty let that slide out. So what about the RNC, how's your convention going?

It's official! This sitcom has been renewed for one more season!

(Don't worry, King. I'm sure the Canadian military can handle any issues with the Russians)

((Igor Larionov is one of my all time favorites))

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When I was a kid you had to pay to see a Freak Show, like the Democrats are putting on for free.

About what we should expect from the most corrupt party,the party of the KKK,Bull Connor,of Jim Crow,of antisemites and "AstroTurf" lies like "Hands Up don't shoot"

"While it is not a surprise that those whose policies are devised to keep the economically depressed dependent upon a big government that they run would hold their subjects in contempt, the revelation that the DNC was up to its hips in manipulating hate-filled anti-Donald Trump rallies was more important.

Rather than an organic uprising, the violent anti-Trump rallies were instead the ultimate in Astro-turf complete with paid protesters, angry anti-cop Black Lives Matter marchers, anarchists and Mexican flag waving separatists all acting as part of a DNC black ops plan."

Hillary Corrupts Everything

If you have not seen it:

Clinton Cash

I don't think money can buy office when the tide's rising in another direction, Dave. But what does it say, particularly in the US, that it's now a business for billionaires, left and right or whatever Trump is? All mostly legal, and wind up with two of the most unpopular nominees of modern times. Bold corruption stares us in the face, we're impotent to do anything about it while claiming to live in democracies, lands of the brave and free. Judas Priest.

We owe the Russians for smartening us up, lonesome. Canada won those big international ones purely on heart. We think we own the game. It took retired Maple Leafs great Howie Meeker to shame us and make us go back to the basics---learn how to skate like the Russians. The Russians showed us how the game should be played. Roughness could take us only so far. Lesson learned.

If dignity is strict adherence to right wing propaganda and unquestioning party loyalty, then there is no help for you.

Anyone who votes for Trump, has been fooled by a fraud, puts party over country and does not have the interest of this Country at heart.

FYI this is not a plea to vote for Clinton. There is a libertarian candidate that could use your support.

nca225 how can you vote for hillary tell me please,fraud?propaganda?party over country?and you know you could never support a libertarian candidate.

Refer back to my statement about right wing propaganda. I don't buy into it, but that's not to say she's my ideal candidate. But she's been a Senator and the Secretary of State, and I think that she believes Government is a good thing. Good enough for me.

RE: Libertarian candidate; I do like their views on social issues. Just find me one that believes in fully funding government and they would have my vote.

The Clinton Foundation Fraud !

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/scandal-without-end-is-the-clinton-foundation-a-fraud/

Blackburn cites the for-profit education business Laureate Education, which paid Bill Clinton some $16.5 million to serve part-time as "honorary chancellor" starting in 2010, a year after Hillary became secretary of state. Laureate, for its part, gave the Clinton Foundation some $1 million to $5 million. Nothing illegal about that, per se.

However, the Daily Tennesseean reports that Blackburn's letter also details how "the International Youth Fund, whose board members include Laureate's founder, Douglas Baker, received more than $55 million in grants from the U.S. Agency for International Development while Hillary Clinton was secretary of state." AID is a part of the State Department.

Then there's Uranium One. Hillary Clinton, the Daily Tennesseean notes, "was one of several Obama administration officials who approved the sale of uranium to the Russian-operated company, whose chairman also has donated $2.35 million to the Clinton Foundation." A number of other people involved in the deal also gave money to the Clintons.

"The appearance of 'pay-to-play' transactions involving Laureate and Uranium One also raises serious allegations of criminal conduct requiring further examination,

As we noted back in May, the Clinton Foundation took in some $100 million in donations from a variety of Gulf sheikhs and billionaires who no doubt expected to reap political benefits from a future Hillary Clinton presidency, with Bill serving not just as first gentleman in the White House but also possibly as bagman. Among donors dumping bags of cash on the Clintons include Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates.

Lost in the shuffle is Bill Clinton's special "business partnership" from 2003 to 2008 with Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum, the strongman ruler of Dubai. That deal netted Clinton some $15 million in "guaranteed payments," tax records show. And then there's the $30 million delivered to the Clintons by two Mideast foundations and four billionaire Saudis. For the betterment of humankind, no doubt.

As national security analyst and writer Patrick Poole said in May, "These regimes are buying access. ... There are massive conflicts of interest. It's beyond comprehension."

Rethug convention's over. Start a new thread on the Dim convention.I can hardly wait to enjoy the commentary...Geo

Dave,

In your photo, Putin should be in the Trump camp.

Chris-we know your not very smart and on the government "tit" but try and keep up:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cas...mpany.html?_r=0

The headline on the website Pravda trumpeted President Vladimir V. Putin’s latest coup, its nationalistic fervor recalling an era when its precursor served as the official mouthpiece of the Kremlin: “Russian Nuclear Energy Conquers the World.”

The article, in January 2013, detailed how the Russian atomic energy agency, Rosatom, had taken over a Canadian company with uranium-mining stakes stretching from Central Asia to the American West. The deal made Rosatom one of the world’s largest uranium producers and brought Mr. Putin closer to his goal of controlling much of the global uranium supply chain.

. Since uranium is considered a strategic asset, with implications for national security, the deal had to be approved by a committee composed of representatives from a number of United States government agencies. Among the agencies that eventually signed off was the State Department, then headed by Mr. Clinton’s wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One’s chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.

Old news Dave. The article is also clear that approval for the deal involved more than just Clinton/State Department approval and that there is no evidence to show quid pro quo.

But nonetheless I agree it "looks" dirty. Frankly, It seems to me as another example of buying political favor, albeit here the contributors took a more round about approach, but if money is speech, it doesn't really matter what side of your mouth you talk from.

For your review:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/putins-party/article/2003473

nca225 old news ,i love that,but anything with trump is new and vital news.remember what you said at the beginning of this post. hillary did nothing as a senator ,please tell me anything she did that was positive as secretary of state,the main reason for democrats to vote for her is ovaries,if you were to go into business(i know you not familiar with that concept) and your research found all of the problems she has been associated with would you invest?

Didn't her husband, mr hillery, get a 500k speaking payout in moscow by a firm with putin ties? Wasn't that in early '10 when putin was muscling for controlling interest in US uranium mining.

Heck, didn't mr hillery make some 13 speeches where 500k or much more magically appeared courtesy foreign interests? Yabut, only eleven of those were when the gal was sec-o-state. Strange, those speaking 'fees' aren't as concealable offshore, eh.

A women earning an income. A hard pill to swallow around these parts.

For starters: http://www.usnews.com/opinion/leslie-mar...-for-themselves

and since you all seem to think that Drumpf's website is a source for information; https://www.hillaryclinton.com/post/seven-hillary-clintons-biggest-accomplishments/

Enjoy.

Hey ncallery, are you so helen redyish that you can't swallow mr., making a living by quid pro quoing? But, great convention anyway, focused on your moral high ground.

Trump did say he wants a national daycare system. Very left wing of him.

gubmint is a necessary evil...