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Posted By: Rich and Homer Presidential Iron - 10/15/12 12:58 PM
Any of our past or present Presidents devoted to the doublegun?? I remember the first President Bush, receiving a Hatfield, TR got his fox for Africa. President Nixon, I believe presented Brezhnev with a grand american.
Posted By: ROMAC Re: Presidential Iron - 10/15/12 01:25 PM
Eisenhower was a Winchester 21 man.
Posted By: eightbore Re: Presidential Iron - 10/15/12 01:27 PM
Grover Cleveland's eight gauge Colt is in the National Firearms Museum.
Posted By: topgun Re: Presidential Iron - 10/15/12 01:34 PM
Benjamin Harrison had an Optimus Grade Lefever (10-bore as I recall).
Posted By: topgun Re: Presidential Iron - 10/15/12 01:39 PM
In his book, Steel Canvas, R.L. Wilson claims that a member of the Glahn family of engravers (from surviving family records) engraved a special Syracuse Arms Company gun for Teddy Roosevelt. All I can say is that I ain't found the piece.........yet!
Posted By: Drew Hause Re: Presidential Iron - 10/15/12 01:54 PM
Grover c. 1907



May 6, 1905
http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1905/VOL_45_NO_08/SL4508021.pdf
Ex-President Grover Cleveland has received many lashings because he went fishing and duck shooting. It was charged at various times that these health-seeking excursions were intended as a cloak to cover dissipation. The ex-President has at last turned on his critics and in a magazine devoted to country-loving folk, he ably defends hunting and fishing and says he is proud of his own devotion to the sport, even though it has subjected him to petty forms of persecution. He adds:
"Thus when short fishing excursions, in which I sought relief from the killing vexations and perplexities of official duty, have been denounced in a mendacious newspaper as dishonest devices to cover scandalous revelry, I have been able to enjoy a sort of pleasureable contempt for the author of the accusation while congratulating myself on the mental and physical restoration I had derived from these excursions. So, also, when people, more mistaken than malicious, have wagged their heads in pitying fashion and deprecated my guiltiness of hunting and fishing frivolity in high public service, I have found it easy to lament the neglect of these amiable persons to accumulate for their delectation a fund of charming reminiscence of sport, while, at the same time, I have sadly reflected how their dispositions might have been sweetened and their lives made happier if they had yielded to the particular type of frivolity which they deplored."
Posted By: Daryl Hallquist Re: Presidential Iron - 10/15/12 02:11 PM
A special shotgun with ARTHUR written over and over in the damascus barrels was made by V Bovy of NY for Chester A Arthur.
Posted By: Drew Hause Re: Presidential Iron - 10/15/12 02:44 PM
TR took an Ithaca Flues Grade 4, Fox F grade, and Winchester 1897 Repeater to Africa in 1909.
From Through The Brazilian Wildernesswritten by Theodore Roosevelt in 1914 "For arms the naturalists took 16-bore shotguns, one of Cherrie's having a rifle barrel underneath. The firearms for the rest of the party were supplied by Kermit and myself, including my Springfield rifle, Kermit's two Winchesters, a 405 and 30-40, the Fox 12-gauge shotgun, and another 16-gauge gun, and a couple of revolvers, a Colt and a Smith & Wesson."
His 16g 5E L.C. Smith SN 211,768 is on display at the Cody Firearms Museum.



More infro here http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/19937467
Posted By: Phail Re: Presidential Iron - 10/15/12 02:54 PM
Wilson in "Steel Canvas" pictures a E Thomas Jr (Chicago)
That was owned by TR
Reguards
Bill McPhail
Posted By: Humpty Dumpty Re: Presidential Iron - 10/15/12 02:58 PM
Originally Posted By: Rich and Homer
President Nixon, I believe presented Brezhnev with a grand american.


Any details on that?
Posted By: Researcher Re: Presidential Iron - 10/15/12 03:10 PM
Ithaca Gun Co. produced a special high grade NID for the King of Iraq in 1933. I kept hoping it might be found while we were there.

In addition to the sort of, almost, maybe somewhat, Czarist Parker, Marlin did make one of their Model 28 Trap Guns for Nikki II. It was covered in the December 1913 issue of National Sportsman, and is pictured on page 539 od Brophy's Marlin book.

Posted By: Drew Hause Re: Presidential Iron - 10/15/12 04:01 PM
More, and timely words from Grover

Dec 8, 1906
http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1906/VOL_48_NO_13/SL4813016.pdf

"Fishing and Shooting" Sketches by Ex-President Grover Cleveland.

We hear a great deal in these days about abundant physical exercise as a necessary factor in the maintenance of sound health and vigor. This is so universally and persistently enjoined upon us by those whose studies and efforts are devoted to our bodily welfare that frequently if we withhold an iota of belief concerning any detail of the proposition we subject ourselves to the accusation of recklessly discrediting the laws of health.

While beyond all doubt a wholesale denial of the importance of physical exertion to a desirable condition of bodily strength would savor of foolish hardihood we are by no means obliged to concede that mere activity of muscles without accompaniment constitutes the exercise best calculated to do us good. In point of fact we are only boldly honest and sincere when we insist that really beneficial exercise consists as much in the pursuit of some independent object we desire to reach or gain by physical exertion, coupled with a pleasant stimulation of mental interest and recreation, as in any given kind or degree of mere muscular activity. Bodily movement alone undertaken from a sense of duty or upon medical advice is among the dreary and unsatisfying things of life. It may cultivate or increase animal strength and endurance, but it is apt at the same time to weaken and distort the disposition and temper. The medicine is not only distasteful, but fails in efficacy unless it is mingled with the agreeable and healing ingredients of mental recreation and desirable objects of endeavor.

I am convinced that nothing meets all the requirements of, rational, healthful outdoor exercise more completely than quail shooting. It seems to be so compounded of wholesome things that it reaches, with vitalizing effect, every point of mental or physical enervation. Under the prohibitions of the law, or the restraints of sporting decency, or both, it is only permitted at a season of the year when nature freely dispenses to those who submit to her treatment, the potent tonic of cool and bracing air and the invigorating influences of fields and trees and sky, no longer vexed by summer heat. It invites early rising; and as a general rule a successful search for these uncertain birds involves long miles of travel on foot. Obviously this sport furnishes an abundance of muscular action and physically strengthening surroundings. These, fortunately, are supplemented by the eager alertness essential to the discovery and capture of game well worth the effort, and by the recreative and self-satisfying complacency of more or less skillful shooting.

In addition to all this, the quail shooter has on his excursions a companion who not only promotes his success, but whose manner of contributing to it is a constant source of delight. I am not speaking of human companionship, which frequently mars pleasure by insistent competition or awkward interference, but of the companionship of a faithful, devoted helper, never discouraged or discontented with his allotted service, except when the man behind the gun shoots badly, and always dumbly willing to concede to the shooter the entire credit of a. successful hunt. The work in the field of a well-trained dog is of itself an exhibition well worth the fatigue of a quailing expedition. It behooves the hunter, however, to remember that the dog is in the field for business, and that no amount of sentimental admiration of his performances on the part of his master will compensate him, if, after he has found and indicated the location of his game, it escapes through inattention or bad shooting at the critical instant. The careless or bungling shooter who repeatedly misses all manner of fair shots, must not be surprised if in utter disgust his dog companion sulkily ceases effort, or even wholly abandons the field, leaving the chagrined and disappointed hunter to return home alone—leg weary, gameless and ashamed. He is thus forced to learn that hunting dog intelligence is not limited to abject subservience; and he thus gains a new appreciation of the fact that the better his dog, the
better the shooter must know "what to do with his gun."

I do not assume to be competent to give instruction in quail shooting. I miss too often to undertake such a role. It may not, however, be entirely unprofitable to mention a fault which I suppose to be somewhat common among those who have not reached the point of satisfactory skill, and which my experience has taught me will stand in the way of success as long as it remains uncorrected. I refer to the instinctive and difficulty controlled impulse to shoot too quickly when the bird rises. The flight seems to be much more speedy than it really is; and the undrilled shooter, if he has any idea in his mind at all, is dominated by the fear that if the formality of aiming his gun is observed the game will be beyond range before he shoots. This leads to a nervous, flustered pointing of the gun in the direction of the bird's flight, and its discharge at such close range that the load of shot hardly separates in the intervening distance. Nine times out of ten the result is, of course, a complete miss; and if the bird should at any time under these conditions be accidently hit, it -would be difficult to find its scattered fragments. An old quail hunter once advised a younger one afflicted with this sort of quick triggeritis: "When the bird gets up, if you chew tobacco spit over your shoulder before you shoot." It is absolutely certain that he who aspires to do good quail shooting must keep cool; and it is just as certain that he must trust the carrying qualities of his gun as well as his own ability and the intelligence of his dog. If he observes these rules, experience and practice will do the rest.

I hope I may be allowed to suggest that both those who appreciate the table qualities of the toothsome quail, and those who know the keen enjoyment and health-giving results of their pursuit, should recognize it as quite worth their while, and as a matter of duty to co-operate in every movement having for its object the protection, preservation and propagation of this game. Our quail have many natural enemies; they are often decimated by the severity of winter, and there are human beings so degraded and so lost to shame as to seek their destruction in ways most foul. A covey of quail will sometimes huddle as close together as possible in a circle, -with their heads turned outward. I have heard of men who, discovering them in this situation, have fired upon them, killing every one at a single shot. There ought to be a law which would consign one guilty of this crime to prison for a comfortable term of years. A story is told of a man so stupidly unsportsmanlike that when he was interfered with as he raised his gun apparently to shoot a quail running on the ground, he, exclaimed -with irritation: "I did not, intend to shoot until it had stopped running!" This may be called innocent stupidity; but there is no place for such a man among sportsmen, and he is certainly out of place among quail.

It is cause for congratulation that so much has been done for quail protection and preservation through the enactment of laws for that purpose. But neither these nor their perfunctory enforcement will be sufficiently effective. There must be in addition, an active sentiment aroused in support of more advanced game legislation and willing voluntary service in aid of its enforcement; and in the meantime all belonging to the sporting fraternity should teach that genuine sportsmanship is based upon honor, generosity, obedience to law and a scrupulous willingness to perpetuate for those who come after them the outdoor recreation they themselves enjoy.
Posted By: Doverham Re: Presidential Iron - 10/15/12 04:30 PM
Let's not forget almost President John Kerry, Here he faces down a covey of murderous quail. He must be hell on dangerous game.



The maker of the sxs he is handling would not identify themselves.
Posted By: Mike A. Re: Presidential Iron - 10/15/12 04:45 PM
TR's Winchester 1876 .45-75 is in the NYS State Museum at Albany. Somewhat over-decorated, IMO, but interesting.

They also used to have a reproduction of an Adirondack hunter and guide's camp lean-to with a New York-made (I think) drilling and a Highwall Winchester leaning in it. If I ever knew the calibers and the maker of the drilling, I've forgotten them, But I remember that it looked like a 10x10x.40 cal of some sort with 32" barrels.
Posted By: James M Re: Presidential Iron - 10/15/12 05:04 PM
A thought provoking post Drew!

I was trying to remember this morning when I initially saw this thread if there was anything ever published on firearms owned by John Kennedy. While he is documented as a life member of the NRA and a strong(ironic) supporter of the 2nd Amendment I don't remember any hunting or fishing trips for that matter except one.
Apparently he shot a deer while visiting with LBJ at his ranch in Texas.
Jim
Posted By: David Williamson Re: Presidential Iron - 10/15/12 05:08 PM
President John F. Kennedy did more 2-legged hunting.
Posted By: James M Re: Presidential Iron - 10/15/12 07:43 PM
Hey:
This thread is supposed to be about "Presidential Iron" not "Presidential Wood"! grin
Jim
Posted By: eightbore Re: Presidential Iron - 10/15/12 08:08 PM
I have a newspaper picture of GWB shooting at quail with what I think "we" identified as a Model 21. I have no idea if it was his personal gun or borrowed. I believe the Eisenhower 21 is in the National Firearms Museum.
Posted By: 2holer Re: Presidential Iron - 10/15/12 08:12 PM
Originally Posted By: Doverham
Let's not forget almost President John Kerry, Here he faces down a covey of murderous quail. He must be hell on dangerous game.



The maker of the sxs he is handling would not identify themselves.


Must be a BAIKAL.....they didn't want to spend much money for a photo op. grin


THANKS for the very interesting posts, Drew.
Posted By: ROMAC Re: Presidential Iron - 10/15/12 08:29 PM
Ahem, who could ever forget VP Cheyney and his Perazzi!
Posted By: Kutter Re: Presidential Iron - 10/15/12 11:18 PM
Jimmy Carter was/is a quail hunter. I recall being told he used a 20ga LCS, but can't find any reference to it now.
Posted By: Rich and Homer Re: Presidential Iron - 10/16/12 01:22 AM
I wondered if Ike had something made in England, during the war. I remember reading that Gen. Bradley and Spaatz both did. Patton did too, uniforms.
Posted By: Rich and Homer Re: Presidential Iron - 10/16/12 01:27 AM
Just something I read awhile ago. It was my understanding that Brezhnev, enjoyed fine arms.
Posted By: Adam Stinson Re: Presidential Iron - 10/16/12 02:33 AM
Bush Jr. received a Beretta SO-10 from Beretta USA at an SCI convention.


Its has a quail hunting theme along with engraving of his dogs and the presidential seal.


He also likes to dove hunt... looks like a Browning Citori or maybe a Winchester 101.


And he quail hunts too.... another over/under.


Bush Sr. quail hunting... can't tell what he's using but his buddy's using a Midas-grade Superposed.


And of course Cheney made his 28ga Perazzi famous with his screw up.


And Eisenhower loved to quail hunt. He often visited many plantations near Thomasville and Albany Georgia for hunts on friends' properties.

Taking a break and drinking a coke.




With a SXS of some kind.


Now with an O/U.... hard to say but its looks like a sidelock (or a sideplated boxlock).
Posted By: Doverham Re: Presidential Iron - 10/16/12 12:48 PM
Bush Sr. had a Model 21 commissioned. Doesn't look like it was intended for much field use but it could be the gun he is holding in the picture Adam posted.

Model 21 16 ga.
Posted By: Drew Hause Re: Presidential Iron - 10/16/12 01:50 PM
Bush Sr. at KTP courtesy of cc/dt

Posted By: HOS Re: Presidential Iron - 10/16/12 04:28 PM
This is slightly off topic, but W. Alton Jones, who was the CEO of Cities Service Oil and a big hunting pal of Eisenhower, had an awesome gun collection, including a great pair of pre-war sidelock SxS Merkels. Jones gave the skeet field that is on Eisenhower's farm in Gettysburg, PA (a plaque there so states). He also had a duck hunting place in Rhode Island, often visited by Eisenhower, that is now a University of Rhode Island campus. You pass by it in Interstate 95 just south of Providence. Jones died in a plane crash on his way to go hunting with Ike.
Posted By: Drew Hause Re: Presidential Iron - 11/02/12 11:56 PM
President Eisenhower shooting clay targets launched from a Naval escort vessel while cruising the Potomac aboard 'Barbara Anne' with Capt. E.P. Aurand, Sept. 1960.

Posted By: GaryW Re: Presidential Iron - 11/03/12 02:07 AM
Looks like Ike is shooting his Winchester 21......as an aside, (and slightly off topic) Sam Walton, the founder of Walmart, was partial to Remington 11-48's in 28ga. Supposedly he had 3 or 4 always in his truck. He could have afforded any gun in the world.
Posted By: topgun Re: Presidential Iron - 11/03/12 02:26 AM
The 11-48 Remington in 28-bore is a slick and neat little gun!
Posted By: J.R.B. Re: Presidential Iron - 11/03/12 12:25 PM
The only auto I own is an 11-48 only in .410. It is one sweet gun.
Posted By: David Williamson Re: Presidential Iron - 11/03/12 12:57 PM
I also have an 11-48 in a .410. It has 25" barrels stamped imp. cyl. on barrel, with a ventilated rib and is a sweet gun. I almost shot a triple on quail, missed the easiest shot, a crossing left to right on a delayed take-off of a cock quail.
I've shot many birds with this gun but it has been in the safe for the last 25 years.
Posted By: Julio Re: Presidential Iron - 11/03/12 03:27 PM
I've seen a family photo of JFK holding his Browning superposed field grade, which he shot skeet with, according to the caption.
Posted By: J.R.B. Re: Presidential Iron - 11/03/12 04:05 PM
Originally Posted By: JDW
I also have an 11-48 in a .410. It has 25" barrels stamped imp. cyl. on barrel, with a ventilated rib and is a sweet gun. I almost shot a triple on quail, missed the easiest shot, a crossing left to right on a delayed take-off of a cock quail.
I've shot many birds with this gun but it has been in the safe for the last 25 years.

Mine is stamped FULL choke. I use it every once in a while. It really shines on rat shoots, for which I took the magazine plug out and use .410 shorties.
Posted By: Terry Buffum Re: Presidential Iron - 11/04/12 02:03 PM
Here is a link to President Harrison's Lefever Optimus:

http://lefeverforum.informe.com/viewtopic.php?t=1122
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