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Posted By: HighWall 3 Ton proof mark - 10/13/12 09:34 PM
So how much pressure is this?
Posted By: PA24 Re: 3 Ton proof mark - 10/13/12 10:02 PM
Per the British 1954 Rules of Proof.......

3 tons proof = 8,938 PSI
3 1/4 tons proof = 9,682 PSI
3 1/2 tons proof = 10,427 PSI
4 tons proof = 11,917 PSI

The British proof house measures in Long tons per square inch.
Posted By: HighWall Re: 3 Ton proof mark - 10/14/12 12:19 PM
Thank you, sir.
Posted By: L. Brown Re: 3 Ton proof mark - 10/14/12 12:22 PM
Note that to refer to the "tons" marks as proof is misleading. The psi figures given by PA24 are not proof pressures, but rather service pressures: max pressure for shells to be used in guns so marked.
Posted By: Hoof Re: 3 Ton proof mark - 10/14/12 08:37 PM
How does this compare/what is the PSI conversion for Spanish guns marked 900kgs?
Thanks,
CHAZ
Posted By: 2-piper Re: 3 Ton proof mark - 10/14/12 08:54 PM
The British Ton = 2240 lbs, so 3 Tons = 6,720 lbs. As Larry said though the gun was proofed to a higher pressure & certified as proofed for 3 Ton pressure loads. The 3 ton reference was also a crusher pressure measurement & not the later PSI as obtained by use of Pieso-Electic crystals which will show a higher pressure than the crusher readings.
Posted By: PA24 Re: 3 Ton proof mark - 10/15/12 01:16 AM
Originally Posted By: 2-piper
The British Ton = 2240 lbs, so 3 Tons = 6,720 lbs. As Larry said though the gun was proofed to a higher pressure & certified as proofed for 3 Ton pressure loads. The 3 ton reference was also a crusher pressure measurement & not the later PSI as obtained by use of Pieso-Electic crystals which will show a higher pressure than the crusher readings.

Incorrect.....

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One (1) British long ton axial CUP = 2638 PSI..CIP radial PSI....

British pressures are HIGHER than they seem, i.e. 1 long ton is only 2240 lbs, but one long ton PSI is 2638 PSI.....

The conversion of an axial base measurement to the equivalent radial measurement:

Conversion of radial crusher (CUP) to radial transducer (psi) measurement is well approximated by the following relation: psi = 9e-6 *CUP^2 + 0.7051 * CUP. Otherwise expressed as 9 times 10 to the -6 power times CUP. This conversion works well for most modern values of European and American pressure in firearms.....

Also note:

For the modern Piezo equipment ....1 British long ton = 2850 Piezo PSI.....
Therefore THREE (3) Long Tons would be 8550 PSI as measured by the modern Piezo equipment.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezoelectricity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_Internationale_Permanente_pour_l%27Epreuve_des_Armes_%C3%A0_Feu_Portatives

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_Proof_House


Posted By: L. Brown Re: 3 Ton proof mark - 10/15/12 11:36 AM
Re the conversion of bars/kg readings to psi: per the above, it gets somewhat complicated if the bars/kg are measured via the crusher system. You can't multiply by 14.5, which works if we're talking bars measured via piezo. Per the Birmingham Proofhouse, a gun with an 850 bar proof (which is a crusher measurement) has a service pressure (piezo) of 10,730 psi, which is slightly less than our American SAAMI standard of 11,500 psi for 12ga guns. 900 bar/kg crusher would thus indicate a service pressure essentially identical to our SAAMI standard.
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