My point? Simple. Grown men acting like thieves, old ladies, and trash talkers.
Let me ask you something Orry? For arguements sake, I would ask anyone. If you had an interest in getting into collecting doubles or joining an association etc., and got to see all the wicked things that go on, would you then be turned off?
Or this...as a grown man. Do you believe that some of these experts would have the stones to talk or do to another man the things they do "face to face"?
It's insane. At some point A LOT of guns are going to disappear for a lifetime when some collectors get tired of all the bs.
If you're just now realizing that grown men act like thieves, old ladies (?), and trash talkers, then you've led a pretty sheltered life. Welcome to the world. I would like to hear more tho' about this fellow in the "association" who ripped off the lady at the Southern.
I have found there are liars, cheats, thieves, blowhards and self righteous asses in any hobby, sport, business, industry, family, religion, philosophy, or association.
Why would you expect doublegun collecting be any different?
Best,
Mike
eeb I searched back through Scott's posts and I think this is what he is talking about:
http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...7420#Post187420And this too I suppose:
http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...8649#Post188649Best,
Mike
I have found there are liars, cheats, thieves, blowhards and self righteous asses in any hobby, sport, business, industry, family, religion, philosophy, or association.
Why would you expect doublegun collecting be any different?
Best,
Mike
Amen Mike!
Jim
Most of us have been here long enough to separate the men from the kids. The men contribute generously of what they know without building themselves up by tearing others down. They relate to evidence. They do not impute motives. I like being around cheerful and cooperative people. There are lots of them here. Bad-mouths and malcontents should go to another place.
Yup, what Mike said. And it's not only the unsuspecting little old ladies who need to be careful - we all need to be careful.
"The Southern SxS- DISGUSTING! Not the even by any stretch. But by the action of a certain "expert" from a collectors association who robbed a poor woman of her double. Then laughed and bragged about it! Piece of dog doodoo"
To my knowledge there were only two double gun collectors associations in attendance at the Southern Side x Side; the Parker Gun Collectors Association, and the L C Smith Collectors Association. As one of those "certain experts" connected with the LCSCA, I spent a fair amount of my time at the LCSCA booth; and readers here may rest assured that yours truly got wind of no such dealings going on at the Smith booth while I was in attendance (nor did I purchase a single gun at the event). But if these alleged mis-dealings took place at the Smith booth, then you should come forward and let me know. I can't undo what has been done; but other actions can be taken.
As to your comment that "The Southern SxS- DISGUSTING", I totally disagree; this was the best Southern SxS ever, and the fact that you personally found the actions of a single micreant reprehensible did not change that fact, or ruin the event. For regardless how you may have personally judged this person's actions, Bill Kempfler and all the other good folks sponsoring the event, and in attendance there had nothing at all to do with that person's actions.
But in light of the seriousness of your charges, it seems to me that you should answer this question; did you personally witness this transaction, or is your information second hand? If you did in fact witness what was going on and knew in your heart the lady was deliberatly being deceived; then why didn't you come to this woman's aide and advise her she was being "raped" (as you noted in another post)? And if you didn't, then rather than calling out the manhood and integrity of everyone else who was at the Southern, where was yours when you could have stopped the deal? Please don't think I'm trying to be insulting with my comments; but your statements condeming the entire event over the actions of one individual are way over the top.
Again, if what you witnessed concerned anyone connected with the leadership of the LCSCA; I want to know the details and will take whatever actions I can to insure such behavior does not occur again. Actions such as you have described are a direct and serious violation of the LCSCA leadership by-laws.
Thanks, Tom Archer
Well said Tom, and I think ScottG should certainly inform a BOD member of the Parker Gun Collector's Association if this 'miscreant' carried on his alleged misdealings under the PGCA name.
Dean
scott go back and fix your spelling on not the even [t] and I think that may help people. just trying to help.
Scott
Sorry I misread your comment about the Southern, and am MOST pleased to learn this misdeed did not pertain to the LCSCA leadership! Also, I don't think your post should be removed as this unfortunate event was obviously something that has deeply troubled you; and the fact that your post serves as a great "teaching moment" regarding issues of personal integrity. It also brings to mind some advice I heard as a youth from a girlfriend's mom. The mother of one of my old teenage girlfriends always gave her daughter this advice regarding her personal reputation while at home and growing into adulthood; "never lose sight of the fact that, whenever you pass from this earth there's only one thing the people who knew you will truly remember about you; your reputation. So whatever you do, or may be asked to do; don't ever forget that fact". Her mom was correct, a reputation is something we all "earn" over our lifetimes; and as it comes to my own double gun associations, I certainly want to be remembered as an individual who was honest in all his dealings, as well as generous with my time and information. Tom
Hello Gents!
This is another Scott G, one from Dallas Texas and a buddy here just asked wtf I was posting. Well guys i havent posted in a LONG time. so not sure what this fellas about but I didnt want my name associated with this post.
I havent had a chance to get to the Southern myself but my friends like Steve B and Jack P tell me its a great thing. Keep telling Josh Lowensteiner I'm gonna get there but havent had a chance.
Now let me interject a little something here. Patrick from WM&Co. was at the Southern this year. He's from Dallas too and one of my dear friends. Cant say that I've heard anything about this supposed happening because he would have told me so I aint got an opinion about it. Well I do but opinions are like anything and we all got us one.
Now for Scott G. My friend, how about you change your name on here so I aint gotta get calls about stuff like this?
You can PM me and we can chat. Ok? Thanks.
Can't be any Southern Gent'man at the Southern ripping into any Lady- Southern manners and gentility will always prevail. Any man who takes advantage of any Lady, whether in a gun purchase or otherwise, should get the Duane Allman treatment: "Tied To The Whipping Post"--
I'd admire to attend a Southern, but want to shoot a lot, not wait in line- might we worth the trip if they Alison Krause and the Nawthern Aggressors Station to handle the Bluegrass- and hawg jowls, black eyed peas (the eatin' kind, not the headbanging music group) fried okra and hust puppies- Yassah!!
Michigan huh? Jeez Louise.