Bogardus shot a Smith in 1889

Posted by: Drew Hause

Bogardus shot a Smith in 1889 - 10/03/09 04:14 PM

Outing: Sport, Adventure, Travel, Fiction 1889
p. 568
Al. Bandle, of Cincinnati, on Christmas Day defeated the famous shot, Captain A. H. Bogardus, by killing 100 live birds straight to the captain's equally remarkable record of 95.
Bogardus shot a 12-gauge L.C. Smith gun, hammerless, 7 lbs. 12 oz. weight and shot 4 drams American wood powder in his first barrel, 1 1/4 oz. No. 8 shot in first and 1 1/4 oz. No. 7 in second, backed up with 3 1/4 drams Laflin and Rand Orange Lightning powder. Bandle shot the same make of gun, 10 gauge, and used, first barrel, four drams wood powder, second, four drams Laflin and Rand "F. F. F. extra" powder, No. 7 shot.

What other maker's hammerless guns are documented to have been used by Bogardus?
Posted by: Drew Hause

Re: Bogardus shot a Smith in 1889 - 10/03/09 04:20 PM

Carver shot a Cashmore

William Bruce Leffingwell, 1895
"I was permitted to examine many of the fine guns used by Miss Oakley in exhibition shooting, and noticed among them one Charles Lancaster ejector, one Charles Lancaster nonejector, a Cashmore hammerless, a magnificent Smith ejector with a gold figure of herself inlaid, a Parker hammerless, a Scott Monte Carlo, a Scott ejector of highest quality, and an exquisite little Francotte ejector with Whitworth barrels."

Annie holding her Smith

Capt. Money used a Greener, Parker, and Smith

Posted by: MarketHunter

Re: Bogardus shot a Smith in 1889 - 10/03/09 04:24 PM

A C grade Parker that originally belonged to Capt. Money has just surfaced.

Posted by: Drew Hause

Re: Bogardus shot a Smith in 1889 - 10/03/09 04:26 PM

in 1895 Rolla O. Heikes shot a Lefever, then a Smith, then a Winchester 1893 Repeater, then a 1897 Repeater (winning the first Grand American at Clay Targets in New York City June 1900), then a Remington pump, then his Smith again (taking 3rd place in the 1902 GAH), then for the rest of his career a Remington Autoloading Shotgun

Courtesy of Chris Lien
Posted by: Patriot USA

Re: Bogardus shot a Smith in 1889 - 10/03/09 04:27 PM

Very interesting. How about those spats of Annie's?
Posted by: Drew Hause

Re: Bogardus shot a Smith in 1889 - 10/03/09 04:43 PM

Capt. Money had two Parker pigeon guns stolen
Captain Money, of the "E. C." and "Schultze" Powder Company, New York, is mourning the loss of his Parker pigeon gun, which was stolen -February 15, at Paterson, N. J. The gun was taken from the case and shells substituted, giving it the required weight, so he did not discover his loss until some hours later. This is the second Parker gun Captain Money has lost in this manner.

This is his 1901 Smith A2

Posted by: Drew Hause

Re: Bogardus shot a Smith in 1889 - 10/03/09 04:46 PM

Annie's custom 16b commissioned by Hunter Arms Co. about 1890 now at Cody. Her portrait was engraved by Tiffany & Co.

She also used an Ideal grade 12g SN FW91,746 shipped June 4, 1926.

Her 1902 Parker BHE is now at Julia Auctions

Posted by: David Williamson

Re: Bogardus shot a Smith in 1889 - 10/03/09 05:06 PM

Bogardus was shooting a hammer L.C. Smith before the hammerless came out in 1886.
From a testimonial in an 1888 Syrascuse L.C. smith catalog dated May 27, 1887 from Elkhart, Ill.
Dear Sir: "I have tested the two Hammerless guns that you made to my order and find them equal to any gun I have ever shot or examined. I think the fastening superior in construction to that of any gun that I have ever examined and it is my judgment that your guns will not become loose and shaky by hard usage. The guns hand and balance equal to any foreign gun that I am familiar with. Workmanship also good."
Yours Respectfully,
Champion wing shot of the World.

It's interesting that you mentioned he shot a 12 ga. that weighed 7 lbs. 12 ozs. With those specifications he was shooting a 30" barreled gun which is considered in their catalog a Medium Weight.

His load is recommended for 12 ga. guns weighing 9 lbs. Goes to show you that back then "men were men". I don't believe there were any recoil pads back then also.
Posted by: Drew Hause

Re: Bogardus shot a Smith in 1889 - 10/03/09 05:37 PM

The ladies were tough too
Mrs. W.P. Shattuck was one of the participants. She was accompanied by her husband, who is a marks man of considerable skill. They live in Minneapolis and participate in many of the tournaments through the West. Mrs. Shattuck was one of the central figures in this year’s race. and several hundred spectators watched her shooting, following her from one set of traps to the other, and loudly applauding each good kill.
Mrs. Shattuck is a pleasing figure and handles a gun with wonderful precision. Her position at the score is graceful and she shows a perfect knowledge of the art of wing shooting, possessing good judgment and plenty of that necessary adjunct for a successful shot nerve. She was attired in a short black skirt, high laced shoes and a tight-fitting Jersey coat. She wore a plain black hat, with two feathers of black and green.
Mrs. Shattuck made her first appearance at the traps in 1894, and her first experience with live birds was at the Du Pont tournament, in 1896, when she scored 18 out of 25. At the Elkwood traps she stood at 25yds., and on the first day scored 14 out of 15 in an exhibition match, and in the Nitro Powder handicap grassed 14 out of 15, certainly a very fine showing. In the big handicap event she killed 21 out of 25, losing two birds dead out of bounds, killing 15 birds in succession. Some of her kills were very clever and would have done credit to any of the experts.
For a woman Mrs. Shattuck shoots a rather heavy charge. She uses an L. C. Smith gun weighing 7 ¾ pounds, 3 1/4 drams of Du Pont powder 1 ¼ ounces No. 7 1/2 shot, in first barrel, and 3 1/2 drams, 1 ¼ ounces No. 7 shot in second barrel; loaded in a 3-inch Leader shell.
Posted by: Drew Hause

Re: Bogardus shot a Smith in 1889 - 10/03/09 05:46 PM
Kansas City, Oct. 23 1897
A remarkable exhibition of live pigeon shooting was given at Exposition Park, this city, yesterday afternoon, when Fred Gilbert, of Spirit Lake, Ia., and J. A. R. Elliott, of this city, met in a match at 100 live birds for $100 a side and the DuPont trophy, which Elliott won from C. W. Budd a few weeks ago with the score of 99 out of 100. J. A. R. Elliott has been practically invincible on Kansas City grounds for years and not until Fred Gilbert came, like a meteor from the sky. has the local man found his equal. When Gilbert won the "Star" cup from Elliott, on Oct. 8, by the score of 95 to 94, he showed such form that there was much speculation as to the result of the race yesterday. "Jim" Elliott is a veteran at the traps while Fred Gilbert was unknown as a live bird shot until in
October 1895, when he won the DuPont trophy in Baltimore against a large field of crack shots. Since that time his rise has been rapid and his work in the last match with Elliott stamps him as one of the best pigeon shots in the country and one capable of holding the title of champion shot.
The match was for the DuPont trophy at 100 live birds each man, 30 yards rise. The birds were the best that could be procured which makes the scores quite remarkable. Gilbert and Elliott tied at 97, then Gilbert won 25 to 24 in the shoot-off.
Gilbert used an L. C. Smith hammerless gun, 3 3/4 drams DuPont smokeless powder, 1 1/4 oz. (!) No. 7 chilled shot in Winchester Leader shells.
J. A. R. Elliott used a Winchester repeating shotgun, 3 1/2 drams, E. C. powder, 1 1/4 No. 7 1/2 and 6 chilled shot; Leader shells, loaded by Winchester Repeating Arms Co.
Cast Iron Medal, emblematic of championship of America, and a purse of $200, was shot on Watson’s Shooting Grounds. R.O. Heikes (using a Winchester 1897 pump) won the match by killing 91 out of 100 birds, taking the Cast Iron Medal and the $200.
Grimm killed 87 out of the 100 birds, using an L. C. Smith gun, 3 1/4 drams Du Pont powder in a 3-inch U. M. C. Smokeless shell, for first barrel, and 3 1/2 drams Du Pont powder in a 3 1/4-inch U. M. C. Trap shell in second barrel, 1 1/4 ounces No. 7 chilled shot in both barrels.

Jan. 2 1897
Charles Grimm defeats Doc Carver in Chicago for the “Cast Iron Metal”
Grimm used a 12-bore L. C. Smith gun, 7 3/4 pounds, 3 3/4 drams Schultze, 1 1/4 ounce No. 7 shot, in U. M. C. Trap shell.
Carver used a 12-bore Cashmore gun, 8 pounds weight, 4 drams of Carver powder, 1 1/4 No. 7 shot, in U. M. C. Trap shell.

Carver was a big guy, 6'4" and over 250# but wow
Posted by: Drew Hause

Re: Bogardus shot a Smith in 1889 - 10/03/09 06:03 PM

Sanity arrived about 1902
Some of the crack shots are discovering that "pigeon loads" are not necessary for long distance flying target shooting. When distance handicap was first tried many of the experts came out with big charges of powder. Lately the work of W. R. Crosby
at 22 yards on the stiffest kind of shooting has astonished the followers of trap shooting.
It will surprise many to learn that Crosby’s load was only 3 drams of "New E.C." powder, when he won high average at Cincinnati recently, shooting from 22 yards on the back mark, in a field of 150 crack shots, he had his old Smith gun and, Winchester Leader shells.
Posted by: Drew Hause

Re: Bogardus shot a Smith in 1889 - 10/03/09 09:58 PM

American Field, Chicago, Ill., Jan. 14, 1888
LaFayette, Ind. Editor American Field.
The Erb-Bogardus match, so long talked of, took place here Jan. 4, at 1 o'clock p. m. The shooting was at 100 live birds each, Hurlingham rules, for $250 a side. Capt. Bogardus used a twelve-bore Scott & Sons gun weighing seven pounds fourteen ounces, and shot four drams of Wood powder in the right barrel and four drams of black powder in the left barrel, using No. 7 and No. 8 shot. Mr. Erb used a Lefever twelve-bore weighing seven pounds fourteen ounces, loaded with 3 l/2 drams of King's Quick Shot powder in both barrels and No. 7 shot.

This is presumably the same gun he used in the 1883 competition with Doc Carver, who shot a hammerless 12b Greener 7 lbs 12 oz.

Posted by: ellenbr

Re: Bogardus shot a Smith in 1889 - 10/03/09 10:03 PM

The Kleinmann Brothers,;q=&f=false , evidently were supporters of Daly products in 1877. So I wonder if Bogardus every fanced a Daly.

Any chance of a Charles Daly hammerless in 1877?

Kind Regards,

Posted by: Drew Hause

Re: Bogardus shot a Smith in 1889 - 10/03/09 10:36 PM

Jan. 3 1878 he broke 5000 glass balls at 18 yards’ rise in 10 hours 40 minutes 35 sec, missing 163; using a 10 pound Scott, 3 1/2 dram 1 1/4 oz 8s. The report did not say if a 10b or 12b, but I suspect the former.
Posted by: Snipe Hunter

Re: Bogardus shot a Smith in 1889 - 10/03/09 11:13 PM

And James Julius Pringle shot Grants, Langs, and Purdys. Once he got his first hammerless Purdy in 1877 with choking the "lesser" guns would no longer suffice. I don't know how many glass balls he killed but on December 11, 1877 he did kill 366 snipe in six hours of shooting with that Purdy.