Hello all- I heard this was the place to come for info on an old JP Sauer, or any other double for that matter. Anyway, I need some help and some info. I've recently come across an old JP Sauer, thing is, I don't know which model it is, when it was made or what it could be worth. If I can get any of these questions answered I'd greatly appreciate it. I've attached dome pics. There has been a recoil pad added but other than that it is tight and original.

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Very nice 20ga Sauer. Someone will tell you the model in a moment I'm sure.

Is there an Importer listed on the top ribs? The gun was obviously made for the American market.

Very nice pre-War gun.

Importer is "Von Lengerke & Detmold Inc. New York NY US Agents"

It has overhanging and lower intercepting scears, sideclips, scalloped frame and a roundtop that you would see on a Model 40 slated for the American market from Schoverling, Daly & Gales but I can't tell if it is game scene engraved or not and it is void of the embelishment of the church-windows as found on Model 40s. If it's just "handsome engraved" it is a Model 3, or Model 30, but I don't know if ejectors were an option on a Model 3 and may have been found on the Model 30. I don't see a cheekpiece, sling swivels or cocking indicators, otherwise it would be a Model 14. Does it have "Krupp Fluid Steel" or "Special Krupp Gewehrlauf Stahl" on the tubes anywhere? It's not date stamped; therefore, it passed the Suhl proofhouse prior to Sept. 1923 and it doesn't have "Made in Prussia" which usually indicates a pre-1916 longarm. Sometime around 1920 "Made in Germany" was required by the U.S. Just by the serial number only, it would fall in the late 1930s, but apparently this Model 3/Model 30 twenty bore is an exception and falls in the 1920-1923(early) period. Is "Schoverling, Daly & Gales" on the top rib?

It also has the typical "M.S" in an oval(also see "W.B.") on the crossbar in the receiver.

I see my question has been previously answered; therefore, it's probably a Model 280, which is a Model 17 with the scalloped frame. I don't think Model 180s(pre-WWI Model 8s) had scalloped frames or lower scears.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
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"Fluid Steel-Krupp Essen" Is the illegible part

VL & D Sauer Model 280E which had upper and lower hinged scears. The 180E only had upper hinged scears like the Sauer Model 8.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

As Raimey says, the Sauer is a model 280E, also known as the Model 14. The gun was purchased from Abercrombie & Fitch in 1931 by a very famous American industrialist for a lady. The Sauer may have been ordered by VL&D but it was sold by A&F. Abercrombie & Fitch completed its purchase of VL&D in August of 1929 and continued to market the VL&D guns in its catalog for several years.
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