For those of you worried about even more restrictive gunlaws if Obahma wins the Presidential Election.Fear not.
I believe Obahma will get a Landslide in next weeks elections.
Unless the CIA can find a book repository or another method.
(Not a Russell Brand joke)

Looks like he is going to be the first democratic nominee to carry State of Virginia since LBJ, and that was before I was born!

I doubt a landslide. I think it will be very close. But I odnt get much news here to see where the polls are.

[quote=salopian]For those of you worried about even more restrictive gunlaws if Obahma wins the Presidential Election.Fear not.
I believe Obahma will get a Landslide in next weeks elections.
Unless the CIA can find a book repository or another method.
(Not a Russell Brand joke)

Perhaps you ought to read the other threads here where Obamas actual voting record is shown before making this kind of statement. If he had prevailed only squirt guns would still be legal to possess and that's only because a vote on them hasn't come up yet.
Jim

Pete might have been engaging in I R O N Y, Jim. Just a thought.

jack

Yeah Jack:
That thought crossed my mind.
Jim

Jim, Obama's voting record hasn't a gnat's eyelash of influence on the electorate in this election. No one mows their lawn when the roof is on fire.

Rightly or wrongly, justified or otherwise, the whole world including the majority in the US is pulling for Obama to restore American prestige, juggle two wars, defend US security, cope with the wreckage of a global financial crisis.

Americans may forget the extent of affection, respect and gratitude for their country throughout a world that sees their last eight years as a sort of aberration, something that happens to peoples and countries from time to time.

spoken like a subject NOT a citizen.

This happens every election- the liberals who run the media do all they can to slant things, and unfortunately, non-thinkers allow it to happen.

I like to remind people that Al Gore is the President of the Polls of the United States of America.

Dave K,
Brilliant answer, taken on the chin.
Sorry guys but it only goes to show the state of World politics.
You have two no hopers vying to run your country.We have a Parliament full of them.
Now for a true story, My local Member of Parliament came to a charity convention where he spoke most eloquently and endeared the electorate.Since that day he has bombarded my friend's wife with emails and text messages for a dinner date and who knows what? His wife is a very attractive lady.Can you trust Politicians?

salopian,
thanks,your OK or as we used to say in the old neighborhood a "stand up guy"(thats a compliment ).

I agree we can't trust politicians on any side of the pond !

Lets hope they aren't able to do to us here what they did to you gunowners over there.way to many great collections went to the auctions house's for no other reason then the laws to keep them made it too expensive or restrictive to keep.Makes me sad to see collectors from the UK with dewat pistols as they can't own the working ones or have to destory them to keep and example.

I am a staunch conservative and strong supporter of individual rights. We may have survived Jimmy Carter and Billy Clinton but I'm not convinced we can survive Obama. This guy doesn't have a centrist bone in his body and his record indicates he won't be satisfied until he turns the US into a welfare state.

Nice to know there are more of us here with the same views TwiceBarrel.
Was at a friends gun shop today and there was waiting line to fill out 4473's,the gun buyers are out in force as they know what might be comming.Lots of guys talking about picking up low money guns to hand in when the time comes so they can keep the good stuff hidden.

Look those in the US Govt. have been using socialist principles for long time now, but the beneficiaries have been the well-connected ones. The problem is that there are just too many damn hands in the "cookie jar".

Hard to imagine we haven't seen "ObaHma's" name and face enough to know how to spell it by now. I hope a week from now, his name (Obama) is only remembered as the most surprised loser in recent history. God help us if this empty suit wins next Tuesday.

Its not over yet,Zogby has McCain ahead by 1 point yesterday.

If he loses, and lets all hope he does or as Jim says God help us.The Democratic party will have to from the firing squad in a circle.Perhaps their biggest deaf in history

John Zogby: "Is McCain making a move? The three-day average holds steady, but McCain outpolled Obama today, 48% to 47%. He is beginning to cut into Obama's lead among independents, is now leading among blue collar voters, has strengthened his lead among investors and among men, and is walloping Obama among NASCAR voters. Joe the Plumber may get his license after all. "Obama's lead among women declined, and it looks like it is occurring because McCain is solidifying the support of conservative women, which is something we saw last time McCain picked up in the polls. If McCain has a good day tomorrow, we will eliminate Obama's good day three days ago, and we could really see some tightening in this rolling average. But for now, hold on."
http://www.zogby.com/main.htm

First, don't buy into what the polls are saying. Remember, the left-wing media WANTS Saddam Obama to win. The idea being, if they fool you into believing that it is not even close, Republicans, Independants, and undecided voters will think "why bother." Don't fall for it.

Second, any gun owner or sportsman who thinks that the marxist Obama is their friend is living in a dream world. Make no mistake, he wants your guns. When ammunition and firearm taxes go up to 500%, you will feel differently about the "chosen one."

I honestly and openly question the patriotism of any American who supports this fraud. There is an old saying that you are judged by the company you keep. With that said:

Bill Ayers - domestic terrorist

Rev. Wright - racist, hate monger

Louis Farrakhan - radical militant preacher of hate and violence

His PLO buddy - his name escapes me right now

Felons, and Chicago radicals

George Soros - Anti-gun, "one world" (UN)

What ever you guys do, please use your vote.DO NOT sit at home and think it is done and dusted either way.If you feel strong enough about any candidate go and vote for him.If your man wins it may be your vote that did it.If your man loses at least you have the satisfaction of knowing that you didn't vote for the victor.Only African States elect the man who didn't win by a fair vote.

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/06/13/aol-straw-poll-june-13-20/
McCain is way ahead and has been way ahead every time I've looked at this AOL poll. I hope this is the accurate one.
Jim

A classic wind-up. Behave youself Salopian. Is Florida in Africa?said he, ducking!;-) Actually, some African States recognise the man who didn't win by a fair vote, having elected someone else.

If Obama does not get in, it is because he is a black man; the US has had a WIC (White Irish Catholic); is it ready for one from the downtrodden masses and not another WASP??
Today was opening day here, I'm shooting tomorrow. Yippee!!!!
K

Hi there Kerryman, glad to see you're alive and still shooting. Hope there's pheasants galore. Wishing I was there with you.
What a crock of shite one hears from the right wing. Eight years with a certified bollocks hasn't dampened their enthusiasm for fascism. Very funny, actually.
nial

Quote
"If Obama does not get in, it is because he is a black man"

If you substitute Bill Cosby,as an example, for Obama I'd vote for him in a minute. It's not race that makes Obama undesireable to me, and I expect a great deal of others,it's his values and stand on issues that are important to me.
Obama is an extreme liberal(Marxist?) who wants to steal from me, the middle class, and "redistribute" my hard earned money to those who don't work. Perhaps because he's never done an honest days work in his life he doesn't appreciate how hard it is to earn an honest living. The 2nd Amendment issue aside; This and most of his "blabberspeak" is alien to everything I believe in and hopefully the majority of Americans will see this by next Tuesday.
Jim

It is not the fact that Mr Obama is black, it is the fact that he is an IDIOT! I'm not a McCain lover, but I sure don't like this guy. I fear that I must vote for Mac, just to hope Obama does not get the job.

My friend that I considered a sharp fellow and a doctor said he is not voting. He is a businessman and his wife is a businesswomen and I would think has a lot at stake here. Ya, this is the USA and he has a right to be a useless bag of bones. Maybe he is just lazy like most democrats??? Peole like him who normally vote republican will definatly hurt mc cain. I think there is quite a few out there with this foolish attitude.

PS his wife wares the pants in the family and she'll be out and voting like a good American!!!

Italiansxs, Timothy S,
You’ve got me wrong on this. I am a capitalist and at one stage of my career spent five years working on Wall Street. Economically I would be closer to McCain than Obama. Actually, the tax policies of Obama would be detrimental to my country (Ireland) and much better for the US economy. Read Obama’s proposals for the tax treatment of multinationals; you will see that he is very far from being a Marxist, which was ludicrously suggested above. Both McCain and Obama have assembled economic teams that may differ in the details of their plans, but each has its own approaches to managing the current crisis. So forget the economics hype, neither candidate has an advantage on that issue.
Excepting Palin, I could deal with a McCain presidency. He has made an admirable stand against torture and is likely to do something about that blot/stain on America called Guantanamo. He has been supportive of Ireland. Most importantly he is not and never has been in awe of George Bush. What most Americans fail to realise is the extent of damage and harm done to the image of and respect for your country by Bush and his advisors. McCain already has respect far above anything Bush ever had.
Unfortunately for the Republicans, McCain is too old, he looks even older due to ill-health and regrettably – for his supporters - he has picked a political version of Paris Hilton as a running mate. She already has set her sights elsewhere!
Obama will probably win because this election is about CHANGE. It is a help that he is outspending McCain ‘s advertising program by a big margin. The Americans I have kept in touch with all want change – they are sick of the present incumbent. The electorate is changing as it grows, its profile is changing as more blacks register, Obama is an opportunity to create more change and to show that leadership is not a job limited to members of a WASP country club reserved for those born into privilege or a skin tone. However, not all are ready to accept that amount of change.
Obama is the son of an immigrant, the son of a black Kenyan man and a white country girl from Kansas; he is the grandson of a war veteran and his grandmother came from a small village in Ireland. Thus he is the embodiment of the typically disjointed American tradition. He is a living symbol that these separate backgrounds, cultures and contradictions might possibly be reconciled. His election would help finally lay the ghost of slavery and bring America to the next level of social progress.
That is why I hope he will win; however, the divisions have become so clear that the result of this election – either way – will be very divisive and will further polarise the American population. The next one will be the one to watch!
K
PS Nial - glad to see that you maintain your Irishness! How's that Rosson shooting?
PPS
Bag since Nov.1: 1 fox, 1 woodcock, 10 pheasant, 1 mallard.

I wouldn't vote for Bill Cosby, either. After he became popular and had money, he sure changed.

kerryman,
you may think you know America but it is obious from your post,those "years on wall street" and "friends that want change"(BTW if asked would they even care that we have not been attacked sine 9/11??) you have NO CLUE.
One thing for sure,you do not know Obama and you are only a capitolist in words if you support him !

http://townhall.com/Columnists/BurtPrelutsky/2008/11/03/americas_last_will_and_testament


America's Last Will and Testament
by Burt Prelutsky


On the eve of the presidential election, I have a few last thoughts I’d like to share. First off, I keep hearing people say they don’t know Barack Obama. Oddly enough, I don’t think I’ve ever known a presidential candidate nearly so well. I may not have seen his birth certificate or his medical records, but I’ve certainly heard his words, his wife’s words and his pastor’s words, and I feel they’ve told me all I need to know about this demagogue.

I know that he believes in the Marxist principle of sharing the wealth, and I know that doesn’t refer to his own wealth, but to everybody else’s. I know that he shares Mrs. Obama’s lack of pride in America, and that, in his gut, he believes America is a racist nation.

I know he shares Rev. Wright’s hatred of white people. Because he depends on their votes, he keeps that belief under wraps, but it certainly comes through loud and clear in his books.

I know that the people he surrounds himself with, people like Wright, Father Pfleger, Louis Farrakhan, Tony Rezko and Bill Ayres, are vile. And the ones whom he is forced by circumstance to be allied with, people like Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and John Murtha, are not much better.

Because even his disciples realized that Sen. Obama can barely identify such places as Iraq, Syria, Israel and Afghanistan, on the map, he selected an old political hack like Joe Biden as his running mate. Joe Biden was supposed to supply the foreign affairs expertise Obama lacked. It reminds me of the days when I was working in TV and was trying to get comedies on the air. The problem was that the networks only wanted to produce pilots written by people who had experience producing sit coms. So, even though I had written for the likes of MASH, Bob Newhart, Family Ties, Mary Tyler Moore and Rhoda, they preferred being in business with people who had written and produced lousy sit coms. So it is with Joe Biden. The man has plenty of experience, but the problem is that he has always been wrong. Just one major example was his vote against Desert Storm. He would have gladly stood by while Saddam Hussein took over the oil fields of Kuwait. He never has bothered to explain his reasoning, but when it only takes about 200,000 votes to be a senator from Delaware, I guess all it takes to be elected are hair plugs and painted teeth.

It occurs to me that politicians continue, as a matter of P.R., to refer themselves as public servants. They are the only servants in the history of mankind to not only make more money than their masters, but are the ones who insist on giving all the orders.

Because we saw this election as the most important in our lifetime, my wife and I cast our absentee ballots several weeks ago. We wanted to be certain that our votes would count even if we died in the meantime. It’s nothing new. Heck, dead Democrats have been casting votes for years and, thanks to ACORN and complicit state governments, they still are. ACORN even registers cartoon characters. In one case, Barney Frank, there’s even an example of a cartoon character who managed to get elected to Congress.

When I suggest that this is the single most important election in my lifetime, it’s not because I hold John McCain in such high regard, but because I consider Barack Obama to be a menace to our freedom and our way of life. If McCain were to be elected, I assume I would be forced to repeat a mantra similar to the one I have relied on many times during the past eight years: “Better Bush than Gore, better Bush than Kerry.”

It astounds me that Democrats continue to paint Republicans as plutocrats when kazillionaires like Kennedy, Boxer, Feinstein, Schumer, Kerry, Clinton and even a guy named Rockefeller, sit in the Senate, and people like George Soros, Barbra Streisand, George Clooney, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates and Oprah Winfrey, fill their coffers. I used to wonder why Soros, a bottom-feeder who made his fortune in the sleazy business of currency trading, would align himself with the far left wing of the Democratic party. Then, one day, it occurred to me that I used to describe John Howard Lawson, a hack screenwriter who once ran the Communist party in Hollywood, as a man who was born to run a gulag. I now believe that Soros sees himself as a major honcho in a new Soviet United States, a man in charge of the men who would run the gulags.

I just read that former Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger said that Sarah Palin is not only unqualified to become president on short notice, but that even after some time in office would make, at best, a barely adequate commander in chief. What a shame he wasn’t half as prescient when he was secretary of state. I wonder what evaluation he would give to President George H.W. Bush, the man under whom he served, the man who, by the way, was the only president since 1980 not to be re-elected to a second term.

Finally, it occurs to me that former Weatherman terrorist Bill Ayers didn’t really stop planting bombs in the 1960s, after all. As a matter of fact, the biggest bomb he set off was the O-bomb in the mid-90s, when he hosted the kick-off to Barack Obama’s political campaign.

If you believe that the source and ordure you quoted is authoritative and trustworthy, there is no point in arguing with you. Prelutsky does for US right-wing bigotry what Leni Riefenstahl did for Hitler, (‘cept she was more artistic and better looking!)
K.

Things are certainly looking dire for us real people. I am going to have a tough time living in our new and improved and changed U.S.S.A. ( United Socialist States of America). No wonder the rest of the world loves Obwanna. Now we can aspire to live as stupidly as they all do. Sorry to insult some of you guys, but I think the old adage 'misery loves company' applies here. Best hang on, for the ride is gonna be rough.
Rick

Well the facts are there,plain and simple (like your distorted view of America)Obama has never shown to be on the side of gun owners and has in fact many times voted against us and been the director of a antigun orginzation.
Tell me when has OBAMA EVER VOTED FOR GUN OWNERS???
Obama by his own words wants to "spread the wealth" and is dissapointed that the Supreme court did not address it.
The blame for the current financial turmoil rest clearly on the dems, Clinton,Carter (The CRA) and those that gained from the fannie/freddie fallout (Obama is second in line for reciving donations for helping hide the Acorn led raid on banks forcing them to loan to renters)

Your views on our gun laws, from a country that does not have the second ammendment have no meaning for those of us who enjoy the freedoms of America.
You claim to have worked on Wall street yet forget the fact those in the towers perhaps some that you worked with died in a act of terrorism that you have not experienced.You should be ashamed Kerryman!

I love Obama. I hope he does spread the wealth around, I've been waiting a long time for my share. I want everything that's coming to me. Did I mention that I love Obama? I really, really like Michelle, one foxy lady. Speaking of foxy ladies, the only reason McCain picked Sarah Palin was he was hoping to spend some quality time with her if he won. How do you like them apples? And all this from a registered Libertarian.
nial

A Day in the Life of Joe Six-Pack Conservative

Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of coffee, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to insure their safety and that they work as advertised.

All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

Its noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great depression. Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime.

Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the 2+ hour drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans.

The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal (FDR) stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification.

He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, quiche-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to do so.

Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."

Grouse
Well put. A true safety Nazi. A safe and wonderful world all because of the Kennedys and Clintons and their ilk. What a load!!

While all they really want is to keep us dumb, happy and aspiring for next years new gotta have toy made in China(remember the Clinton joy about NAFTA?)instead of paying attention to what they are really up to (see Tsun Tsu). Why? Of course by justifying their existance by TELLING US HOW TO LIVE AND WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO SAY OR THINK.

Now that they subsidize our entire poor,sad little lives, we can't live without them. Hell, and here we are arguing about the very 'bread and circus' that occupies all our living days, while the ruling class amuse themselves by watching and controlling our travails like gods on Olympus. Of course they give it back. How else to maintain a bunch of all-deserving VICTIMS? And it is OUR MONEY that is being given away. The true reality show.

Begrudge the guy that has what you don't. Why earn it like he did? Take his. It's easier. Then give it to those who deserve it least. Why? Because you can!!!

I would say you truly deserve what you will get, but the rest of us don't. Some of us don't feel we are owed ANYTHING from ANYBODY. Oh well. No great civilization last forever. Ask the Romans. I just wonder who will take over next, and how THEY will treat us? Or if the majority of the suckers and parasites will EVEN NOTICE as long as they've got Oprah and TV?

There is my little rant.

A member of the usually Silent Majority

Grouse:
What you've just described is an ideal world for those too stupid to think for themselves. I hope you and your wonderfully ignorent friends enjoy living this way as I'm sure I won't have to compete with you when I'm doing the Sunday New York Times Crossword Puzzle. If this is what people really want in this Country the God Help Us All!
Jim

Grouse

WOW, at least Joe is not afraid to live his life.

And maybe our stupid commie liberal is on the edge over regulation...don't you think....

Get a life.

Tim

Any Gun enthusist that supports Obama is akin to an abused spouse, who keeps returning to the abuser, because the abuser promises to give nice things to make ammeds.

What a load of old bladderskite!
Contrary to what you suggest, I am pro America, and when working there have given my time (unpaid) to Eximbank, to both Republican & Democrat officials (e.g. Christie Whitman when Gov. of NJ and Richard Daley when he was SS for Commerce) and to dozens of trade associations, Chambers of Commerce and colleges around the US. Your post is an ill-informed diatribe of petty and quite ignorant crap. Far from being ashamed as you suggest, I am sorry that I am debating with someone who believes the bigoted shite that is being posted about a Democratic candidate

Firstly, in early 2001 I moved office from 40 Wall to 2 WTC and fortunately for me I was not there on the fateful morning of 9/11 when I lost several friends. I have made my views on that event and the subsequent lies, stupidity and ill-informed antics of the Bush admin. known on this BB and in a subsequent debate here on the current Iraqi war & “plausible denial” with Larry Brown (for whom I have respect because he is well-informed and does his spook job very well!)

Secondly, to blame the Dems for the position the US economy finds itself is grossly stupid. You have had 8 years of economic mismanagement under Bush. His laissez-faire policies allowed the US economy dig itself deeper into the hole and, what is worse, allowed the scum of the markets to do what they did best – line their own pockets. In simple terms – because your earlier posts show you might not understand a more detailed explanation - Bush allowed the USA to borrow huge amounts primarily from China to permit the US to buy billions of dollars of goods from China, thereby allowing the Chinese to become a superpower. That has to stop, because most people do not want China to be more powerful than it is now. That means that US population has to get real, smell the coffee and realise that gun ownership is at this stage a minor issue. It also means taxation has to increase and I do not see why the wealthiest (and I underline wealthiest) in the US begin to pay their share. For example, although it could be unpatriotic for me to say it, the Irish government’s tax laws allow US companies registered here to wash their international profits through the Irish subsidiary thereby making a huge saving in tax to the detriment of lost BILLIONS to IRS tax revenue. Obama has said he is going to stop that, which will mean the loss of thousands of jobs here. Bad for Ireland but great for the US.

Thirdly, your comments prove a point I have been making for years – the biggest problem the US is facing is ignorance, based on a deplorable school educatipon system. Your posts and those of your ilk are further proof that intellectual laziness, pre-formed and unresearched comment still prevail.

Finally, as for Ireland not having a “Second Amendment “ I see no need for one – I have a pair of 12gs, a 20g and a deer rifle. I see no need for a Kalashnikov or a Glock; I’ve had to live through what the lunatics here were doing with them (most of which, BTW, came frm the US or were bought with US funds!) If I wanted a pistol I could easily obtain one, the only requirements being that I get police approval and store it in a safe.

Go read some books written by those without a bigotted agenda and educate yourself; regrettably it is too late to do so before you vote.
K.

With Ireland's history...best you just sit this one out "K"!

This is America.

We have the NRA and the right to protest....I can invision the peaceful "Million gun March" on Washington.

I'll be there.

Kerryman,

Change per se is not good if it goes in the wrong direction.

Here are a couple of clarifying pieces for your reference:
What We Know About Obama
ACORN's Nutty Regime

JC

P.S.: I envy that your season has just started. jc

Kerryman,
once again your ignorant socialist antiAmerican rant show your are a shallow idiot who can look no further then a barrage of commercials by the left.Thank god you ar no longer tking up air here in the USA.
Here if you have the guts read the facts about ACORN,the CRA and banks forced to make loans to people who have no abilty to pay them back.All done by the liberals you worship;
Most economists agree that the subprime slime is at the route of the current slowdown.This subprime mess was a direct result of something called the CRA ("Community Reinvestment Act") which was created in 1977,Carter administration.This forced banks to lend to those without good credit,jobs and no savings.
Acorn,among other community groups (left wing extortionists IMO) hands are very much in this and Obama tied to Acorn (as well as Jesse and Al Sharpton)

CRA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act

NY post article showing the links;

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02052008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/the_real_scandal_243911.htm

"At the crisis' core are loans that were made with virtually nonexistent underwriting standards - no verification of income or assets; little consideration of the applicant's ability to make payments; no down payment "

Two other articles supporting this view;

http://soichiro1974.wordpress.com/2008/0...ent-regulation/

http://mises.org/story/2963

and here is open from IBD (ever heard of that???)
http://www.investors.com/editorial/edito...&secid=1501

Obama and his socialist left wing liberals are at the root of the cause of this and happy to have maxium pain to blame on others so they can take power

We will remember those that stood with us,but most importantly we should also be sure to remmember those who did NOT
Kerryman
OWD
PossumHunter
Pmag
They are not friends of sportsman who gun collecters Remember who sold us out !

I just got back from 600 N. Ridge. It took 5 minutes in/out to cast my votes. I feel for them folks that have to wait several hours. Kinda brings back memories of meat lines in some commie countries prior to Berlin Wall going down.

Dave K,
Your invective and its content, together with your childish lists show you for what you are. I have worked in financial risk for decades and do not need you to indicate some selective sources. As for me being an "ignorant socialist antiAmerican" I have letters of thanks and appreciation from several US State governers who kindly also invited me to their homes and official residences. I actually am closer to Republican than Democrat, but belong to that part of the republican outlook that despises you and your type, along with the religious fundamentalists of all sorts.

To show you how wrong you are, just take one small quote from one of your own sources - "Fed policy......... is the cause of the boom-and-bust cycle that has caused the housing bubble and its bursting. Not "market failure" but Fed policy."

Can you tell me who has been in power for the last 8 years? Can you tell me what the US deficit has grown to in that same period? Are you really trying to convince me that blame can be dumped on Clinton and Carter for what has been happening during the last 8 years? What was the fool in No. 1100 doing for the eight years of his watch? May I suggest that he was - at best - asleep at the helm. It is one thing to get dragged into a war, but to start not one, but two of them is inexcusable. Particularly when there is no exit strategy.

Obama will get in, the world will continue to turn, people will continue to own, buy and sell guns, and hopefully the US, a once great and respected country, will get the government it deserves and redeem its former position. But I'm not even sure of that.
K.

Hey DaveK. Bite me. Thanks.

Kerryman,

Must agree it is hard to answer. In any case that someone didn't try to solve a problem does not shift the origin of it.

Some more about the "needed change" you advocate:

"In Rules for Radicals Alinsky writes, "There's another reason for working inside the system. Dostoevsky said that taking a new step is what people fear most. Any revolutionary change must be preceded by a passive, affirmative, non-challenging attitude toward change among the mass of our people. They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and change the future. This acceptance is the reformation essential to any revolution."

This is where Senator Barack Obama's campaign about "Change" comes from. He is not talking about positive change but rather the change outlined by his mentor Saul Alinsky. Revolutionary change. Socialist change."

This from: Saul Alinsky - yet another Obama mentor from his Marxist past

I cannot agree with you that an Obama government is the one the US deserves.
And I am sure it would not be the one to redeem its former position.
On the other hand I suppose by now that alea jacta est.

JC

P.S.: Did you get a chance to read the articles mentioned in my previous post? jc

Aren't people entitled to vote for the team which best represents their personal interests? My vote was cast after careful examination of ALL issues important to numero UNO, myself and my family. I never voted (vote) along: party lines, race, ethnic origin, gender,...... only issues. Your list containing certain member of this board is foolish.

Why is the list foolish? I thought we all bear the responsiblility for our actions?


Sorry, my mistake. That was before.

Even commies value opinions ( the RIGHT ones of course)

This is the type of response I'd expect from a left wing liberal who is finally showing his true colors. When confronted with facts,avoid admitting the truth,evade answering directly, misrepresent the truth,lie about the truth then when all else fails insult the person with the facts.

Take the insult for waht it's worth Dave.
Jim

The turning point for me, as regards my view of private ownership of firearms, came during my tour of Vietnam in 1965 and 1966. I saw firsthand the unarmed,except for edged farming tools,peasants trying to survive the predations of their own government during the day and the VC at night. they were powerless against both and paid the price,both with their lives and their property as both sides stole what they wanted without any compensation,except promises of security, given.
I remember we used to say that they should just arm the peasants and let them decide their own fate. I'm sure that an armed peasant village would have given pause to both bands of predators that ravaged the countryside.I believe,at the very least,it would have given them a fighting chance where there was none.
You can talk about artillery,tanks and air warfare all you want but when preserving the infrastructure and civilian populace is part of the plan, it is the rifle that is the weapon that decides the outcome.

Were you the class priss, Jimmy?

Thanks Jaycee,
I had a very quick look at the first link, saw what it was and didn’t bother as it is expectedly partisan, underscoring, for example, supposed links with Ayres and Khalidi: I’ll look at the other tonight when I’ve more time.

I am not going to take sides on the lies told by either side – thankfully none are as bad as those under Rove – but the first one of this campaign I remember is the McCain black children story that broke here seemingly “years” ago.

Take the much-vaunted Ayres crapola continuously posted here. The McCain camp states that Obama "lied" about his association with Bill Ayers. McCain says the two are "friends" who have "worked together for years." Palin has said repeatedly on the hustings that Ayers and Obama "pal around" together. All of this is untrue.
The evidence indicates that Obama has told the truth, that the two know each other but are not close. They met in 1995, when Obama was asked to head the board of a school reform group that Ayers had helped start. Its board included a number of well-regarded Chicago establishment types, including senior Republicans. Ayers is a professor of education and was named a Chicago Citizen of the Year in 1997 for his work on school reform. Obama never excuse Ayers' actions, calling his Weatherman activity "despicable." Incidentally, Obama was EIGHT when the Weatherman crowd were around, so it is farfetched to link him to that. Unless, of course, the intended audience consists of rabid uneducated rednecks that need further swaying.

Here in Ireland I have sat down with people who once were described as terrorists and who now are regarded as respectable politicians – does that make me a terrorist or a supporter of terrorism?

K.

I'm surprised at you Kerryman. You know that very few people can ever change their opinions. That requires a fair bit of head banging. Facts are not enough so don't confuse them with facts. I prefer to try and get a rise out of 'em. Lots more fun.
nial

C'mon Nial, you know that us cold numbers people deal only in facts. We leave inn-u-endo to the suppository brigade who talk their usual nonsense from that orifice on this board.
Keep up the good work!
K.
Vote early and vote often!

I think the Joke is now on you Obamanites.

You've got approximately 6 months to stock up on whatever you consider necessary from a firearms viewpoint. After that time your purchasing freedom will be severely curtailed.
N.B. Monday sales at my gun club were, volume wise, what you would expect the week before Christmas. They are currently out of many items and don't know when they'll get more stock.
Jim

We are in deep Kukai now. It looks like we kept 44 senators at the moment. That is the ONLY thing we have going for us. If he follows his Marxist past, he will be a one term president and we will gain in the off year elections. We need to start preparing a decent candidate quickly.

Observe: He has said he wishes to (will) initiate a "National Security Force"... he is asking for 250,000 volunteers - this will be his "well-regulated militia" of which the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America speaks. This is the "militia" that will be allowed to "keep and bear arms" for the "security of a free state" all others will be turned into outlaws... Observe.

He will cut back the US Military machine. He will authorize UN "Peace-keeping" forces to be the first line of defense for our country, you know, soldiers from countries who hate America?!

Ahhhhhh! reality starts to sink in on this first day of our dim future. Anything and everything is on the agenda...and you do not need a super majority as some will cave for the good of the country.

Btw, don't stock-up on what may be deemed illegal in the future. Anything military. Something on the order of 223,45ACP,30-06 and 308 will catch that all seeing eye in the sky.
Better stick to peashooter stuff!

It’s now over so I’m going to leave off the politics with this post.

Hats off to McCain. What a dignified speech! I wish him a happy period of relaxation and hope it includes some hunting.

He faced a very difficult task to recover from the mire that Bush Republicanism associated with him; what little chance he had was lost when Palin was added to his ticket.

To that fringe of society who post here, those who ranted and raved their bigoted hatred, those who repeated falsehoods, those who compiled Nazi-like hate lists, I pity you.

The others might like to know that 1 in 6 workers in Ireland is absent today, either on a day’s holiday or “sick” due to staying up all night to watch the election. Over here, Obama's victory was warmly welcomed, despite what his taxation policies might do to our economy.

Obama wanted change – he now has it. Let’s hope that he has the determination, ability and team to put America back up there and gaining the respect that should be accorded to it.
K.

What Kerryman said.

I guess I remain a xenophone who doesn't give a damn about the rest of the globe. To Kerryman and the rest: focus on your own little piece of the world. Some of us care less what you think, and even less what you believe. You remain irrelevant, if not irritating. We've got some real issues to deal with here. You reap what you sow.....

foxhound, what is a xenophone? Would a xenophone support sending the US military to somewhere on the ''rest of the globe". Would a xenophone buy something made in China? Does a xenophone think logically? Can a xenophone walk and chew gum at the same time?
nial

Family first. Country next. Honest reward for honest labor. Honor. Real logic, not the apologetic teeth gnashing of the terminally duh that live in cognative dissonance.. A number of concepts you may not be too familiar with mac.

But, as the famous philosopher Ron White says, 'Can't fix dumb'.

Now that I'ved sucked in totally, sorry to have offended anyone. (not really). This is unfortunately pointless. Time for a more erudite realist to take over here. Where is Dr. H.Thompson when we need him most?

ps. A xenophobe does whatever it takes to take care of what is his.
Rick

I am truly sorry that what I intended as a tongue in cheek comment has resulted in seven pages of teeth gnashing and bickering about the state of your countries politics.
Now it is all over and history has been made.Let us all hope that the President elect can use diplomacy and democracy to dig himself out of the hole he has dug with American gunowners.
There is nothing wrong with owning and using firearms responsibly, his advisors need to point out that the majority of felonies are committed with illegaly held firearms, and those are the ones that need to be cleared off the streets.
The very best of luck to all of you in the U.S.
I am now off to celebrate a Spaniard who tried to blow up our Parliament ( It is Guy Fawkes night here, bring on the party)

Hold on there "Kerry-man" Obama's grandmother is Irish. I am Green Irish, and damned proud of it- Tommy Clancy and his "boy-os" once sang this ditty "Oh, it was the biggest mix-up that you have ever seen, me muther she was Orange and me father he was Green"- Never heard of any "Black Irishers-what gives here old sod? My lineage to Belfast lies on the side of me maternal Grandparents- Sean and Rose McGuire- and I am Francis "Frankie" to me Hibernian friends here in Lord Parnell's wee bit o'Heaven in MI- where St. Patrick's Church has the tallest steeple of any Catholic Church (is there any other?) in MI- 267 feet from ground grade to the steeple- built in 1844- a few years before Lord Boycott and the potato famine ravaged Erin-

For those who don't understand the Irish way- listen to song "Killkenny Ireland, 18 and 60, my dear and lovin' son John (Sean of course-but not all know that now do they"- Also see the Hollywood hyped movie "The Devil's Own" with Harrison Ford as a NYC Police Sgt. and Brat Pitt as "Frankie McGuire"- opening scene in Belfast shows why the Brits are hated-and will be until they sail away and never ever return. Such a beautiful Land is Erin-but we also have our sense of humor- Do you know what an Irish boomerang is now? 'Twould be a bent stick thrown by an Irishman, and after he follows it to where it has landed, he sits himself down and writes a song about goin' home to Erin.

Have no idea where you might live- but come next St. Paddy's Day, I'll be playin' guitar and singin' with my lads and lassies at the Cottage Bar- the owner, Pat McDougall will sing "Danny Boy" at least 16 times (for the year 1916) during that day and evening-and if his sweet Guinness tenor doesn't bring a tear or two to your eye, then you must be amongst the deaf!!

McCain lost due to: Age-Connection to Bush and the WASPs (as his heiress wife shows) the FUBAR about the "economy doin' fine while Lehman Bros. and M-L were headin' into the crapper-and pickin' that airheaded cheerleader from our remote 49th State- If he had picked a businessman like Mitt Romney, and the economy hadn't "tanked" in Sept./Oct. well, Monday mornin' quarterbackin' is always more accurate than what you do ahead of the game, now isn't it. So now we have a Black Towel-headed Muslim with an Irish Grandmother for POTUS- Instead of "Hail to the Chief" maybe he'll, like Clintons went for Fleetwood Mac and the "Don't Stop Thinkin' About Tomorrow" for their theme song, borrow from another Limey group- the Beatles- didn't they have a parody- set to a ragtime tin-pan-alley riff entitled "Rocky Raccoon"? Huum- Erin Go Braugh!!

Isn't a xenophone a phone that belongs to stranger? Bwa, ha, ha.

Naw, That's a xylophone. A xenophobe is an injun who sits on a mountain listening for the sound of one hand clapping.
K
correction edit

RWTF,
Honestly, and no offense meant, I share very few of your views; however, I do agree that the song (it's Kilkelly by the way) does send a shiver through anyone who has had to emigrate. A haunting air, even if the words and sentiment are mawkish, but sadly too true for many of the poor of the era 1850-1960.
Best,
K.

Salopian,
After stirring the pot you might at least get it right;-)
Although he spent several years in Flanders Fawkes was in Spain only once; he was a native of York. Robert Catesby was the real leader of that very inept plot. Unknown to them Pope Clement and his red-hatted cronies had done a back-room deal with Philip of Spain - there never was any hope of an invasion. Most of the current "history" is propaganda, stemming from that rascal, Titus Oates. A good read is Faith and Treason by Antonia Fraser. Don't let all that get in the way, enjoy the party!
Best,
K.

Sorry fellas. Guess I mistyped in my irritation. You win. XENOPHOBE. Kind of typical....great way to worm your way around a bit of reason. Not to worry. I won't. I can shoot a bow. Do your inbred rulers allow you that?

No wonder most of us haven't given a crap about what you fellas have had to say since the revolution. Gee,this must be SO entertaining for you superior types. Go blow your xylophone. My vote: next war..save your own ass.

Sincerely
Rick

Rick, I'm curious to know if you have ever actually saved anyone's ass? Details, please.
nial

Should we be arguing with some sense of authority about "Obahma's" gun laws when we don't even know how to spell his name?

Congratulations.
Your democracy has a new president elect, whereby the people have chosen their leader.
The world will still turn, and we'll all deal with whatever comes in the best way we can.

Not that I want to take sides, but this:
"No wonder most of us haven't given a crap about what you fellas have had to say since the revolution. Gee,this must be SO entertaining for you superior types. Go blow your xylophone. My vote: next war..save your own ass."
and like sentiments are rather ugly. We'll continue to send our best and brightest shock troops (our SASR, our 4RAR CDO, our 126 Sigs etc) to die alongside your soldiers in wars of your making. But when you speak of us like that we'll do it rather grudgingly. Hearts and minds, hearts and minds...
RG

Grouse Guy,
Indeed I did spell his name incorrectly initially, this was due to researching the spelling before I typed the letter.Unfortunately I used an American search engine, which spelled it 'Obahma'.
Mr. President is much easier to spell.
Let us now see how Democracy works in the USA.

It works well, lets us know when you need us again!

Typical.
Actually, it is a percussion instrument and it is struck with a wooden mallet or mallets.

K
(alias Xenophon)

Apologies to all for venting. Worked through the stages of grief. Acceptance has been reached.I wish our new commander and chief well. And to all here as well.

ps. Hey Nial you sure are concerned with asses. Better have that checked. Or are you just looking for an excuse to tell us all your hero story.

Foxhound,
Nial has always been a fine judge of a good ass. ('cept when he gets holier than thou.)
This time next year I hope that you will have added to your collection of guns.
Regards,
K.

A people, as a whole, always get exactly the government that they deserve. Unfortunatly I am in the minority and must now go along for the ride.

Obama is a very good speaker and an engaging man. He is very good at swaying the somewhat shallow among us.

I hope that he does little harm to the nation.

I will not make any comments about Ireland, none are needed. She has her strong points but many weaker ones.

Kman, sent PM. Hope it works.

JC

The GOP had an EXCELLENT candidate....Ron Paul

He was thrown to the curb based on one policy, which by the way is not going to work out to your liking anyway. Too bad the GOP base didn't have the foresight to figure that out. It's really a shame that the 'base' have acted like the deaf, dumb & blind monkeys, mindlessly following George Bush's policies to an Obama victory.

I could go on and on about the stupidity the GOP has displayed here of late but I wont. I will say this though.....Ron Paul had the grass roots, the money, the organization, just like Obama. Paul could have pulled it off. McCain never had a chance. You were warned but did not listen so you made the bed, we'll all have to sleep in it. Hindsight being 20/20 Paul looks a whole hell of a lot better now than what you've got!

The GOP did not deserve to win this election, it's that simple. A hard pill to swallow but an honest one.

This political cycle it was the NWO's puppet vs the fall guy.
McCain made a game out of it, but it couldn't be a shutout either. Years of planning went into the Euronation of America.
America got it's multi-cultural stand-in to lead us down the path to third worldism.
Perhaps ask Bill 'n Hillary(couldn't stand either mind you) what happened to the dem's queen in waiting.
Maybe she wasn't willing to sell America short?

JayCee,
My PM function does not work for sending or receiving mail. I'm reluctant to post my email addy here as last time I did that I got deluged in nasty stuff and had to open a new account. I lost my stars in the last few days so I would expect the same flood to happen again! As you said in an earlier post, alea iacta est.
Best,
K.

Obama is a great speach maker, but so was hitler, they both conned the masses. Just goes to show how ignorant the general population is all over the world at times.

Yup- we sure are- and that's almost as bad as being in "Deep Kimshee"-What Osama Bahama will do is the same thing they do when they boil a lobster to its death.They put Mr. Lobster in a covered pot-they then bring the water to a gradual, slow boil until his slimey green carcass turns red-and it's "chow time"!!- Osama Barracks Boy will gradually turn our beloved Country Red- as per William Ayers and other numb-nutz of Marxism-they are all too perverted to gain wealth by hard work and brow sweat- so they operate within the perceived "system" to gradually bend the pendulum swing their way-Kafka, Marx, Neitsche and other Europeans paved the way-and now, our Country will suffer.

The Supreme Court will be "packed" in Bahama Mama's favor, in a way that would have made FDR and his "Nine Old Men" attempt to "tuck away a few more stooges therein" seem like small potatoes. Gun rights-Osama Mama is too smart to do what Herr Adolph did, starting in 1933-The BATF will have so many "chicken-shit" regs that we will wonder- ain't they on our side??-

Would McCain have done us any better had he been elected? McCain is NOT a hunter or gun owner-sure he carried a sidearm as a Naval Officer-but he gave "lip service" to the 2nd. and the NRA-Old military axiom- goes somewhat like this-modified for this topic-- "A Commanding Officer may be excused for encountering superior enemy forces, BUT he can never be excused for being taken by surprise". We had best be sleeping with one eye open, dark days and even deeper Kimshee lies ahead! RWTF

Mr. RWTF,

Am I the only one who finds your references to Obama distaseful? References like "McCoon" "Osama Bahama" "Osama Barrack" and "Bahama Mama" in my opinion have no place here. The mans name is Barack Hussein Obama. I did not vote for him. I do not agree with his ideologies. If you disagree with him, fine. Please leave the slurrs out and just call him by his full name, first name, or last name. We will all know who you are talking about. Just my 2 cents.

RedofTx

Actually the only reason he isn't being referred to in much worse terms is because this board is actually a very civil place. You may consider him you're president but myself and many others don't and never will. Just a bad nightmare we are stuck with for at least the next four years. This is new on his website, not there before the election, he is the ultimate liar and our worst nightmare..................................... http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/urban_policy/#crime-and-law-enforcement [They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.] just the begining....

Virtue isn't required to reach high office. Many would say it is a disadvantage. Virtue and power may occupy the same person, but not often, and not easily.

Factor competence, organization, message during the campaign. The conservatives actually gave it away. Character assassination has no place here.

The world is holding its breath that America can keep Obama alive. Any board contributing to inflammatory remarks will be judged harshly.

Obama is 50 per cent white and 50 per cent black.

Give some thoughts to the HUGE setbacks for USA gun owners that will result if Obama is assassinated by a bullet. The consequences will be far worse than after Kennedy and King assassinations.

Niklas

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"Obama is 50 per cent white and 50 per cent black. "

Wrong King:

Obama is 50% White 25% Black and 25% Arab.
N.B. Arabs don't consider themselves to be Black. He's probably the only person ever elected by exagerating their race! If he had to declare a race by percentages he's White. I wonder if he can do a good rendition of "Mamie" like Al Jolsen used to!
Jim

Your racism is not appreciated.

Pete

Being an A$$HOLE isn't appreciated here either. And the above post is factual,intended to be humorous and certainly NOT racest.
Unless you think Al Jolsen was a "racest" for performing in blackface.

Why don't you take your socialist mumbo jumo* elsewhere.

I believe "mumbo jumbo" is Swahili for bull elephant poop which is all you've ever posted on this forum and in copious amounts I might add.
Jim

I suppose we can ignore Brown from Nova Scotia's thoughts on our Marxist-elect because Brown is also a socialist. The real factor here is that he may have won primarily because he is a liar and black, but he is feared and hated because he is a socialist and hates white Americans, America, guns, God, and everything we hold dear. You cannot be a member of Wright's church for 20 years and be anything else. You cannot even be a Christian. Wright's teachings are not Christian but Marxist. Obama is a bomb waiting to go off. The evil he can do is greatest in whom he will appoint to the Supreme Court.

A simple observation of fact isn't "character assassination", and suggesting that it is in this case is downright dishonest.



The only inflammatory remarks posted here have been by you and one or two others. It's clear that you neither understand what free speech is, nor believe in it. I'm not surprised. Collectivist journalists hate free speech, and screech "inflammatory" and "character assassination" and many other epithets when someone dares speak a truth that's inconvenient to your dialectical materialist philosophy.



What's that got to do with anything? Only racists play the race card, and you played it.

italiansxs: I can draw only 2 possible conclusions about you from your comments about Obama performing in blackface:

1. You actually think those remarks are funny in a non-racist manner, in which case you are a moron.

2. (more probable) You realize that they are racially offensive, but deny it when called on it, in which case you are a simple coward.

I agree with PeteM and Redoftx that the frequent use of racist language here, whether directed at blacks, arabs, or whomever, is disgraceful. Use whatever language you like in your own cave, but please do not expect to use such language any public forum without criticism. Those who think this is an expression of socialist or communist thought are beyond hope.

Jim didn't play the race card in this thread. Kerryman and King Brown did, they're the ones that brought it up. Jim corrected Brown's false statement about Obama's race, and observed that Obama and many of his supporters DID misrepresent his race in this campaign. While I didn't find Jim's joke about a man that is mostly white performing in blackface particularly humorous, it isn't anything like as offensive as playing the race card, and Jim isn't the one that did so.

You know guys after reading some of these posts and after all is said and done with and this discussion is buried and seemingly forgotten; I don't think this Board will ever be quite the same.

By who King, who is going to be doing all this judging???

It's been judged harshly here, Timothy, as unintelligent and old-fashioned. Inflammatory remarks do no service to members of an international board comprised of many persons of different colour, race, religion. Dave's sole injunction on behaviour is to keep it clean.

Jim didn't play the race card in this thread. Kerryman and King Brown did, they're the ones that brought it up. Jim corrected Brown's false statement about Obama's race, and observed that Obama and many of his supporters DID misrepresent his race in this campaign. While I didn't find Jim's joke about a man that is mostly white performing in blackface particularly humorous, it isn't anything like as offensive as playing the race card, and Jim isn't the one that did so.

Thanks for the back up here 400 Nitro:
I'd hate to think of all the "Eyetalian" jokes I've heard over the years most of which I've laughed over. IMO You can tell when a group has been assimilated into society as a whole when ethnic jokes don't bother them. That's certainly true of the Italians,Poles,French,Irish etc. that I know and grew up with. My neighborhood had all these groups and more. I could swear in multiple languanges before I was a teenager.
Many of the famous Jewish comedians Myron Cohen,Shekie Green etc. made a living out of making jokes about their own race.
Now due to this abomination called Political Correctness the only group you can publicy make jokes about are whites and they'd better be white males.
Jim

King you seem to be a fairly intelligent chap and I respect your views, but it must be the fact that we live in different countries that causes some differences in view points with myself. If Dave "cleaned it up" everytime something off color was said, well it would turn into a cencer fest. And that is not what we want. Is it? Isn't it just easier to pay no attention to these unintellegent soles?

PS Good luck with your surgery.

Tim

So are we to believe that the best way to save our house is to douse the flaming roof with gasoline? It is very sad that the electorate has raised the bar when it comes to drinking the Kool-Aid. Sadder still that we seem to have so many gun owners here in complete denial about Obamas' record on gun ownership. Frankly, as an Endowment NRA Life member, I'm getting a little sick of carrying the water (along with a few million other members) for the other 35 million or so gun owners who can't seem to find 2 or 3 bucks a month to defend the Second Amendment. Please spare me the lame excuses, I've heard them all. Pmag seems to be gone and I say good riddance. Now we have Nialmac and a few others spouting the same stupidity. I'll repeat now what I said in a prior thread on the threat Obama poses to gun owners... and the gun owners foolish enough to support him and Biden: They (the Obama supporters) remind me of those folks who believe that a convicted pedophile has reformed, and then allow the pedophile to baby-sit their children.

TTT... a little blast from the past to inspire our forum crybabies and whiners to once again band together to shed some tears and cry to Dave for more censorship. Gotta make the world safe for FUDD's

This stuff was OK 10 years ago, but that was before we had so many grown men overdosing on estrogen. Happy New Year. Re-elect Trump in 2020... MAGA

It amazes me that this topic is even in this forum or any for that matter. I watch TV and it appears the blacks refer the whites in many racist terms without accountability and no one has the balls to call them out. Just saying.I guess if you'r born white and have an opinion other than the extreme left you are not part of the American dream. At 84 I have to wonder if 4 years of my life to defend these ingrates was worth it.

William, aren't you special, you had to reach back ten years to feel relevant again?!? You need to put your pants back on and walk away from the computer.

1 whole post under your belt, and this is what we get from you? You are familiar with having pants off and looking at a screen, how �bout you spare us, and put something about double guns you own up on the board in the future?
That, or head on back to the douche bags anonymous board.

Best,
Ted

Ted....be nice to the liberal idiot.

I smell a rat or maybe a nom de plume!

We love rats with guns...they make for a tasty rotten stew.

Actually Ted, he has a lot more posts than that. But only this one post with his "new" screen name though. Not the first time we've seen guys using another user name, but most are smart enough to cover their tracks. However, you were spot on with the rest of your assessment. Batting .666 will still get you in the Hall of Fame.



Give RARiddell a cigar! 100% right on both counts. But most rats have something called a spine.