Can't we just go back to discussing firearms and having a good time doing it?

There is no "liberal" nor "conservative" party any longer in this country. I have just read the term "bleeding liberals" in another post for what seems like the 10,000th time during the last two years.

The republicans are no longer conservative. It took 224 years to accumulate a national debt of $5 trillion, and just the last 8 years to double it to $10 trillion. And the bailout is simply socialistic, plain and simple.

Both parties are now the same, and neither party, especially the senate side of Washington, listens to what we American citizens either think or want. The terms liberal and conservative are now only a part of our past history and are meaningless today.

So if you want to mention politics all day and night long, think about joining a political forum of your choice to debate politics. I will go there if I am in the mood, but when I come here it is to talk about firearms, shotguns, and especially doubles.

I hope that there are a lot of other forum members who feel the same way as I do.

We are also to believe that when Johnny gets a new gun this Christmas he should put it away and never shoot it as a hundred years from now it will be worth a fortune to someone who never knew him.Also no one should ever go out and shoot their new used gun unless they get approval.A gun in the safe is worth much more than happy days in the field.

I think you are going way overboard in your assessment of politics, guns, and the world in general. My comment was a simple one and directly related to guns.

If you think Hillary will protect your gun rights no worse than Dick Cheney, be my guest.

just dont go hunting with Dick!!!!!

Crash course in several Chinese dialects may help. The real Bejing "duck"!

jack

I sure don't feel they way you do. I agree the Republican party has gone way too left for me and there is scant difference between the two, but it still seems the Democrats have the vast majority of the heavy hitters when it comes to promoting gun- control. If Obama and Nancy Pelosi had their way, I doubt we'd even have the right to discuss guns. I do wish we could finally break this two-party monopoly and take our country back, but that may take a while because we don't allow I. Q. testing before voting. I see a lot of posts here I don't particularly like for one reason or another. I either don't click on them or very quickly go to another. You should try that too. Works every time. P.S., Don't use the ignore feature or people will think you are gay.

I certainly do.

Well It beats the hell out of riding in a car with Ted!!!
Jim

Guess that makes two of us.

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

If you look at the above sight you will see that it did not take 224 years to go 5 trillion dollars in debt. Clinton had us out of debt with all of his cutbacks. It did take us only 8 years to go to 10 trillion dollars in debt from zero, though, during Bush's administration. It is like I tell my friends- we have two choices on election day- (1) Lose all of our guns; or(2)go into a depression and lose all our guns by having to sell them for pennies on the dollar. Hmmmmmmmm........

Jimmy, what makes you think Mr Obama is going to be able to pull some magic trick that Mr McCain can't? Obama is NOT going to be able to get us out of that war. We are there to stay, our embassy is the size of Atlanta. And both McCain and Obama are smarter than that IDIOT Bush that went on a 8 year drunken spending spree. Really he was in office spending the national treasure and blood like a drunken soldier at port. Quite criminal in my mind. Just because Bill did it, doesn't mean Obama can do it. And I'm not a radical or anything like that, but it was different just now typing the name Obama in the thought of a president of the USA. Hummmmmm.....

When Germany was in such a crises, they voted in Adolph Hitler, we must vote for the correct canditate!

Life under Obama rule will not be good for gun owners and for freedom in general. This guy has a hidden agenda, and sadly, Americans tend to vote based on how much money is in their wallet. If the economy was good, no one would even know who Obama is outside of Chicago.

How can any true American support a guy who is a collegue with the likes of Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, Farrakhan and felons?

On Election Day, vote as a Patriot. Vote for the future of this country in the long term, not with anger because you are upset with the economy or President Bush. Things will get better my friends. We are Americans, and we always land on our feet.

Obama is change we DON'T need.

Jimmy W is incorrect. We WERE in debt when Bush took over. Clinton merely balanced the yearly budget.

As for politics, there are no more well known Democrat politicians. They are all socialists. Obama is a Marxist. Nov 5 might be a very interesting day. The KKK and American Nazi Party is backing Obama. They believe that 4 years of Obama will sour America on every black everywhere. They might be right. Obama's youth mentor in Hawaii was Frank Davis, a card carrying Communist, pervert, and anti-white whose Chicago contacts set up Obama. Obama's mother and grandparents were socialists. Mom was a atheist. Grandparents and mother raised him in a Marxist church and high school full of Marxist teachers. Obama's backing for Harvard was a Arab extremeist. Then he graduated to Bill Ayers and Bernadette Doehrn who started him in politics, revolutionary Marxist style. The Rev Wright and 20 years of anti-white, anti-American hate lectures every weekend. Throw in Louie Farrakhan, Obama's white hating wife, and more Marxists and Islamic extremeists and we have Barrack Hussein Obama. Hopefully, we will do well in the off year elections when people may finally forget Bush and learn to hate Marexism all over again.

Obama can do a LOT of harm in the interim. Hopefully, the socialists will not get the 60 Senate seats they require to block sanity.

Quibble: If you are going to cite Hitler in a rant at least spell his first name correctly!

Heil Barrack Hussein Mohammed Obama the Messiah.

The ole' guy is brighter than the Dumbo we have now. In eight disasterous years he has ruined our once great contry beyond repair. I watched the last debate (missed first 2 due to work schedule) and heard it was Ole' Boys best effort and that is scarry. I thought he was going to blow a vein, sooooo unlike leader who should remain composed and cool under pressure.

Joe you forgot "The One" haha Keep drinkin B-rocks kool aid everyone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap2Cg_FDRy4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

But seriously, isnt this a DOUBLE GUN forum??

Amazingly, I watched the same debate and did not see McCain come close to blowing a vein. Maybe we see what we want to see? I did see Obama become very defensive when John called him on his association with Bill Ayers. I had hoped he would continue on offense and go into his relationships with the criminals who brought down Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, slipped him a Chicago mansion, shared cocain and other drugs with him (remember the furor over Bushs' DUI arrest as a young man?), and please don't forget the anti American Rev. Wright and the Muslim "destroy Israel" extremist who got him into Harvard. I also hoped John would delve into the large contributions the Obama campaign funneled into ACORN so that dead people and Mickey Mouse could vote for him. Let's not forget that as a "community activist" lawyer for ACORN, Obama filed lawsuits against lending institutions for not giving mortgagaes to poor folks who could not meet onerous criteria for loans such as having a job, downpayment, or ability to repay. Blame that on Bush too, right? As far a great leaders being cool and composed under pressure, I'll take an Andrew Jackson who shot a couple men and threatened to kill his vice president over the smooth and polished and well rehearsed Stepford Wife Obama who will tell the sheeple what they want to hear, and then do the bidding of his puppeteer, George Soros.

I have seen the debate on split screen. When Hussain was talking Mc was rolling his eyes, noises, making faces,.....His verbal communication was just horrendous. Both made statements that were not true or half true, but Hussain kept his composure.
I don't blame Platinum Spooner for everything, but his administration should take lions share of the blame for great many "disaters".

Whoa! Whoa, Timothy! I didn't say Obama could do anything. I only said with him in office, I think we will lose our guns. And (I also tell my friends) I would never tell who I am voting for, but I believe at this point, Obama will win. And Pete, we will always be in debt from year to year, but if I remember correctly, 2000 was the first time the debt clock stopped since Kennedy was in office.

I only hope that the 2012 election is between an Italian Sidelock and a Spanish Boxlock.

Geez DRM, your last few posts here have been to lament political discussion on a shotgun board. If both candidates were solidly pro-gun, I might be inclined to agree. Here's how I handle your problem... I don't shoot Bismuth so I don't click on those topics. Darne's do nothing for me so I don't read or comment on posts pertaining to them either. Hope this helps.

Thanks for the heads up Dingelberry, I'll make a note to self

Keith,

1) That was the point of this post topic, and since this post was originated by me it stands to reason that my posts would have that position.

2) I don't see why this makes a difference and why gun politics has to work its way into nearly every post topic now. Even though one candidate has clarified and/or changed his position on this issue (he's apparantly been listening to us, but now we "choose" not to believe anything has changed at all), everyone just concentrates on the original view of him.

3) I totally agree and I do exactly that now. But even when a topic starts out fine and is running along smoothly, suddenly it's been hijacked into politics. Even when it is not hijacked I get as tired of seeing "liberals" in posts just as much as I would have seeing "gun nuts/crazies".

Dave

The political talk doesn't bother me, except when it's boorish and ignorant. It's a window, a thermometer of the thinking of a particular group, the majority fairly comfortable Republicans. The board is an extraordinary instrument for assessing the mood of the country i.e. what members are saying now about domestic and foreign affairs is significantly different from what they' were saying six years ago.

The problem is that it usually gets there rather quickly...

Ignorance is generally considered any viewpoint which differs from "Mine". So much for ignorant posts.

Anyone picking a prez on just the issue of guns is no better than the other side thats is picking a prez just because he is black.

Just vote for the guy with the better looking wife then!

Even the other side prefers blonds

So true. But the posts and the discussions would be less ignorant if they didn't so often degenerate into labeling, name calling, threatening, et al.

The "Issue of Guns" is far deeper than the opposition would like to paint it. I have other hobbies & could actually get by quite well without a "Gun Hobby". At issue is the very heart of the constitution itself. The "Opposition" likes to assure us they have no intention to "Go After our Sporting Guns". The Constitution was written that the "Right of ""The People"" to ""Keep & Bear"" Arms shall not be infringed". This was to provide "The People" a means of keeping out Governmental Tyranny, not for the purpose of breaking clay targets or punching holes in a paper target, or even for sport hunting. you best jolly well remember if one portion of the constitution can be simply tossed aside so can other portions. It has happened before & can happen again. Ole "Honest Abe" hisself shut down some 300 Northern Newspapers & imprisoned many of their editors, Sans a writ of habeas corpus, because they dared to print articles disagreeing with his policies toward the South.

It's not that simple, Miller. You and I are not ignorant. I don't think we are uninformed, lacking knowledge. We have different opinions. We agree on John Deere and most things here. Where we differ does not imply ignorance. No one has all the answers.

I totally agree on that one.

I like the natural look so I would go with the dark hair here. I just could never warm up to the stiff plastic surgery look. And I am a 61 year old white male.

Now, even though a thread that diverts to politics turns me off, I don't feel the same way when women get brought up in the gun forums. Like the Fausti Stefano sisters. Two of the three make me want to fly over there to order a custom made side by side. But I think I like the classy looking one (middle sister?)the best.

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There is only one political party and two factions.
http://www.prisonplanet.com

Perfect !!
This is NOT about the potential to lose a hobby.This is much more important then that.

2piper:
The Constitution was written that the "Right of ""The People"" to ""Keep & Bear"" Arms shall not be infringed". This was to provide "The People" a means of keeping out Governmental Tyranny, not for the purpose of breaking clay targets or punching holes in a paper target, or even for sport hunting. you best jolly well remember if one portion of the constitution can be simply tossed aside so can other portions. It has happened before & can happen again. "

All should watch this video,same usual supects on the bench BTW!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvV3gr_vinE

How about picking by which has the hottest veep? Hell, it's just about as relevant as any pretend info either of the candidates has put out there. The 'powers' will do as they wish as they always have. And then there are the rest of us, the modern day serfs....

Rick

Politics is not off topic. The election will affect your gun ownership, therefore it is on topic.
P.S. Adolph Hitler is spelled correctly.
-Truss

Politics is not off topic. The election will affect your gun ownership, therefore it is on topic.
P.S. Adolph Hitler is spelled correctly.
-Truss

Quote from DRM: 2) I don't see why this makes a difference and why gun politics has to work its way into nearly every post topic now. Even though one candidate has clarified and/or changed his position on this issue (he's apparantly been listening to us, but now we "choose" not to believe anything has changed at all), everyone just concentrates on the original view of him.


Well Dave, there are currently a few post topics pertaining to gun politics and quite naturally, they are mostly political. Not too surprising in an election year. Really, it's not just here. Have you seen the newspapers, TV, or your neighbors yards lately? In spite of that, the majority of threads here still manage to not get "contaminated" by politics. As regards the one candidate who has clarified/changed his position on the gun issue, are you really suggesting we should be so naive as to believe that Obamas' core beliefs and convictions have taken a 180 degree turn? This man has a 100% anti-gun voting record. We "choose" not to believe anything has changed at all for a simple reason. We, most of us, are not morons. Have you ever heard that a leopard doesn't change it's spots? That saying would be meaningless if it wasn't true.

Kieth any one that believes Barrack Hussein Mohamed Obama's line of bull has problems.

Looks like he was not born here and is admitting in court he was born in Kenya;
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5745

to Berg, Obama – by default – admitted to every charge the lawyer made., among them:

1. I was born in Kenya.
2. I am a Kenya “natural born” citizen.
3. My foreign birth was registered in the State of Hawaii.
4. My father, Barrack Hussein Obama, Sr. admitted Paternity of me.
5. My mother gave birth to me in Mombosa, Kenya.

Oh boy, three rings and two ringmasters to keep up with already and now Dave K throws in a side-show. It is not really an admission by default if requests for admissions are not responded to where the case is dismissed...Geo

From the Canadian Free Press...

"It’s possible that all the states that are working on obtaining Obama’s birth certificate will simultaneously remove him from the ballot at one time.

It’s also possible that, failing to produce the birth certificate, Obama will voluntarily step aside, leaving a breach through which Hillary will walk.

Meanwhile, as legal challenges proceed at warp speed, and Obama’s lawyers scramble to avoid the Scandal of the Century, one thing remains intractably the same: Obama still hasn’t produced proof of his U.S. citizenship!"

Could this be the October surprise we've been waiting on...

It's Canada Free Press, an online conservative blog often in litigation started up five years ago, and not to be confused with The Canadian Press, the national news-gathering wire service. I never heard of CFP until today.

Here is a interesting video by and independent;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyspCRmJv7w&eurl=http://obamacrimes.com/index.php



http://www.obamacrimes.com/
(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 10/21/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that Obama and tbe DNC “ADMITTED”, by way of failure to timely respond to Requests for Admissions, all of the numerous specific requests in the Federal lawsuit. Obama is “NOT QUALIFIED” to be President and therefore Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President and the DNC shall substitute a qualified candidate. The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.

Berg stated that he filed Requests for Admissions on September 15, 2008 with a response by way of answer or objection had to be served within thirty [30] days. No response to the Requests for Admissions was served by way of response or objection. Thus, all of the Admissions directed to Obama and the DNC are deemed “ADMITTED.” Therefore, Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President.

And he has taken the next two days off to visit granny.Buy the way Berg is a big Hillary supporter

And Granny is "gravely ill" and the closet Muslim is suspending his campaign to be at her side because he doesn't want to repeat the mistake he made in having his own gravely ill mother die before he could take the time to see her. So why the 3 day delay from the announcement to the time he actually goes? Trolling for sympathy votes? Just a thought from an intolerant Western Pa. Redneck.

If it looks like s---, smells like s---, and tastes like s---, whattya think it is??????

Someday, just ONCE before I die, I would like to vote FOR someone, and not just against someone.

Ya right. Dream on.

Everyone needs to immediately pass this on to everyone they know. I was just on an extremely reliable internet website and it has just been uncovered that Obama not only plans to ban all guns if he is elected, but all fishing poles as well.

Is this for real ?

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-paedce/case_no-2:2008cv04083/case_id-281573/

I heard sling shots will be next, followed closely by spit wads.

Have no fear I hear spit-wads will still be legal for democrats.

Spit wads will be legal for democrats, but they will have to register their tongue. I think it is a very interesting process how that gets done, if you get my drift. Ha Ha

jOe, That lawsuit is for real. I listened to an interview with Atty. Berg this evening on the Michael Savage Radio Show and they were talking about this suit. Mr. Berg is a former Pa Deputy Attorney General, a Democrat, and a supporter of Hillary Clinton. Despite the suit, Obama has not produced a valid Certificate of Live Birth with the usual name of hospital, delivery physicians signature, babys' foot/fingerprints, etc. He also refuses to produce college records which Mr. Berg speculates would show financial aid given to foreign nationals. For some reason, we do not hear about this in the liberal media, but we are hearing much about the money the RNC spent on clothing for Sarah Palin. I'm sure most of us here agree that Sarahs' clothes are more important than the possibility that our next President is an Indonesian Muslim. Wonder if Obama will return from his visit to liberal Democrat Hawaii with a Birth Certificate with ink that is not quite dry?

Here is the interview on tape.Note that Mr Berg is a liberal Democrat(like OWD,pmag and possum hunter)and he has on tape that his grand mother stated Obama was born in Kenya.

http://michaelsavage.wnd.com/?pageId=2256

Now I heard that Obama was not born in Kenya, or even Africa. I heard that he was born in Haiti and is actually a Voodoo Witch Doctor who is well over four hundred years old, hence no surviving birth records.

Cute. But your wisecracks and jokes are a weak counter to facts and evidence. It becomes more apparent why you started this thread. You wished to appeal to the genteel sensitivities of many here, and supress any discussion of a candidate who is a threat to the Second Amendment. You also miscalculated and now have the unintended consequence of 6 pages (and counting) of posts that you have been impotent to refute, save for glib jabs lacking substance or intelligence. I would take pity on you if not for the possibility that you know exactly what you are doing.

Keith,
DRM,thinks its a big joke.Of course he and other antigun supporters,OWD pmag and possum hunter, will not be laughing and joking shortly if Obama wins.We must as gun owners rememebr who stands with us and who does not.

"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security."
Benjamin Franklin

Quote(DRM)
"I don't see why this makes a difference and why gun politics has to work its way into nearly every post topic now. Even "though one candidate has clarified and/or changed his position on this issue (he's apparantly been listening to us, but now we "choose" not to believe anything has changed at all), everyone just concentrates on the original view of him."

I have read this several times and reached the following conclusion:

Only a left wing liberal quiche eater could possibly reach the conclusion the Obama has changed his position on gun control.
Ok We will ask you the same question we posed to your "Comrade in Disarment" which,of course, he never answered. Give us ONE concrete piece of evidence to support your above quoted position.
Jim

You are so darn soporiferous, DaveK. Say did you hear about the guy that sent his wife to Coxes to buy him a seersucker suit and she went to Sears?

Ok pmag:
NOW You're showing your true colors. Insult someone who posts facts when all you've done is post BS. We are STILL awaiting your,DRM,possumhunter,OWD and any other left wing liberal posing here as concerned gunowners posting of ANY FACTUAL INFORMATION that refutes the facts we've posted.
My recommendation to the rest of the membership here is to IGNORE anything further posted by this gang that's not factual.
Jim

GUN "Control" HISTORY; - THINK ABOUT IT!


A Little Gun "CONTROL" History Lesson.

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From
1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to
1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939
to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were
unable to defend themselves were rounded up and
exterminated

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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to
1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964
to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to
1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves,
were rounded up and exterminated.

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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to
1977, one million ' educated ' people, unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the
20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia
were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal
firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a
program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500
million dollars. The first year results are now in:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent

Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with
firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that whilethe
law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did
not, and criminals still possess their guns!

It will never happen here? I bet the Aussies said that too!

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a
steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms,
this has changed drastically upward in the past 12
months, since criminals now are guaranteed that
their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins
and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians
are at a loss to explain how public safety has
decreased, after such monumental effort and
expense was expended in successfully ridding
Australian society of guns.. The Australian
experience and the other historical facts above prove it.

You won ' t see this data on the US evening news, or
hear politicians disseminating this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and
property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect
only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note my fellow Americans, before it ' s too late!

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control,
please remind him of this history lesson.

With Guns...........We Are 'Citizens'.
Without Them........We Are 'Subjects'.

During W.W.II the Japanese decided not to invade
America because they knew most Americans were ARMED !

Note: Admiral Yamamoto who crafted the attack on
Pearl Harbor had attended Harvard U 1919-1921 &
was Naval Attach頠 to the U. S. 1925-28. Most of our
Navy was destroyed at Pearl Harbor & our Army
had been deprived of funding & was ill prepared to
defend the country.

It was reported that when asked why Japan did not
follow up the Pearl Harbor attack with an invasion of
the U . S. Mainland, his reply was that he had lived
in the U . S. & knew that almost all households had guns.

The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing. THINK ABOUT IT!

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It's like I tell my friends: The real shame is: We have two choices- vote for someone who will take our guns away, or vote for the other guy and his nitwit female, who insist on going the way we have been for the last eight years, spiraling us into a depression in which we will have to sell our guns for pennies on the dollar and be glad for the amount we got because we have lost our life's savings, Social Security, our homes and everything else. Some choice, indeed.

"But your wisecracks and jokes are a weak counter to facts and evidence." It has been anything but facts within this presidential race, even from right wing republicans. I was not trying to counter facts and evidence, because many of these "facts and evidence" were started to breed fear in voters. And it certainly has among gunners. Hence I was just left to make light of everyone being so scared of an intelligent black democrat.

"It becomes more apparent why you started this thread." I actually thought the forums could get back to discussing guns not fear of liberals. After this became just one more thread telling about new found "facts", videos, information, and all to perpetuate fear, I simply gave up on my original thought.

"You wished to appeal to the genteel sensitivities of many here, and supress any discussion of a candidate who is a threat to the Second Amendment." What threat? He said he supports your individual gun rights but you choose not to believe him even though you believe his opponent when he says thevery same thing.

"You also miscalculated and now have the unintended consequence of 6 pages (and counting) of posts that you have been impotent to refute, save for glib jabs lacking substance or intelligence." Have you heard me trying to refute them? I can recognize walls when I see them. And six pages just proves my point, a thread can't be started anymore without fear of democrats taking hold.

"DRM,thinks its a big joke.Of course he and other antigun supporters,OWD pmag and possum hunter, will not be laughing and joking shortly if Obama wins." What, you think I am in these forums and an NRA member because I am anti-gun?

"We must as gun owners rememebr who stands with us and who does not." You mean white male right-ring republicans, correct?

"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." Your current white male right-ring republican president has taken more of your liberty away than all the other presidents combined.

"Only a left wing liberal quiche eater could possibly reach the conclusion the Obama has changed his position on gun control." Here we go, now the bleeding lefties are implied to be gay, or does "quiche eater" imply something else? Why don't you tell me why you think Obama is lying now in what he is saying? Is your John McCain still saying it's a fundamentally strong economy?

"My recommendation to the rest of the membership here is to IGNORE anything further posted by this gang that's not factual." Why don't you reference public records to prove the "facts" and not rely internet political hearsay?

When did so many gun owners become single-minded one issue voters, or have they always been that way and I just never saw it so blatant until this election?

Why do you think Obama is the boogeyman that your grandmother told you stories about?

There he goes again:
NOT ON SHRED OF EVIDENCE POSTED THAT OBAMA INTENDS TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT WE HAVE STATED. SEVERLY CURTIAL END EVENTUALLY ELIMINATE OUR RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS.

Quote from DRM:
"Why don't you tell me why you think Obama is lying now in what he is saying?"

Because all you have to do is look at his freakin voting record that's been posted elsewhere. His voting record doesn't lie but this ultra left wing socialist is lying thru his teeth. You and your friends are either very naive or in one hell of a state of denial.
Jim

Obama voted for every anti-gun measure that was introduced while he was a member of the Illinois legislature. He took his orders from Chicago's Democratic machine. He is Chicago.

well,once again,
here is his voting record (BTW he has also voted for every tax increase that he showed up for and was the second highest one the donor list from Fannie and Freddie)



FACT: Barack Obama opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He voted against the confirmation of Alito and Roberts and he has stated he would not have appointed Thomas or Scalia.17

FACT: Barack Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate “assault weapons,” but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by sportsmen.18

FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1

FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.15

FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.9

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4

FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people
who use firearms in self-defense.5

FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6

FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7

FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”8

FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9

FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11

FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14

FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.16

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9 http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=234&issue=047

DRM you either have your head in the sand or a liar if you think Obama will not go after your guns.You want to support a antigun candidate,and card carrying socialist (look up NEW PARTY which he is a member).But don't dare claim to be on the side of fellow gun owners.You should be ashamed !

pmag is not going to let facts get in the way of his red baiting post. Ignore him as the troll he is.

Well Understood:
But it humorous to keep insisting that he and his fellow liberals post some factual information knowing full well that as a typical left wing liberal twerp he has none. The important point to me here is if there was anyone who had doubts as to the Obama plan for all of us we've effectively dispelled it. A vote for Obama is a vote for very extreme gun control.
Jim

DRM and Pmag Claim to honestly believe that Obama will not attempt to restrict or eliminate guns. They cannot be bothered to check sources such as The Congressional Record to see how Obama and Biden have voted on every gun bill that hit the Senate during their careers. Instead they claim to believe the pre-election speeches and websites of the Democrat candidates. They both remind me of those people who would believe that a convicted pedophile is rehabilitated, and then let the pedophile babysit their children.