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Ed asked that I post these photos for him. He'll provide additional information on his Scott 10 bore:




Stanton locks:

Slightly off-topic but very interesting. The 1874 Purdey Gene found at Lewis Drake
https://www.drake.net/j-purdey-lond...oading-hammer-gun-9233-completed-in-1874

I believe has one of the VERY few English 6 iron crolle barrels that I've seen. Quite likely from Birmingham and an "Oxford" pattern.
Birmingham was just starting to produce, at least aesthetically, high quality crolle by the mid-1870s. c. 1890 James Purdey II 'fessed up that their tubes were Belgian sourced, but it is my opinion that in the 1870s the tubes were from Birmingham.
Greener thought 6-iron tubes were "over-twisted" and weakened, and most "British Best" tubes were 3 or 4 Iron.

The top 7 in the Birmingham Proof House Trial reported in 1891
1. English machine-forged 3 rod Laminated steel
2. English fluid compressed steel, Whitworth process
3. English machine-forged 2 rod Best Damascus
4. English steel Siemens - Martin process
5. English hand forged 4 rod Best Damascus
6. English machine-forged 2 rod variegated Damascus
7. English machine-forged 3 rod Best Damascus

The Crolle Damascus in my tensile test
2 Crescent No. 8 Knickerbocker 3 Rod Oxford (undoubtedly Belgian sourced), c. 1905 – 53,000 and 56,500 psi.
1 Wm. Powell Birmingham 3 Rod Oxford – 54,500 psi
1 Unknown English maker 3 Rod Oxford – 49,000 psi
1 Unknown source 3 Rod Oxford – 54,000 psi
1 Parker D4 4 Rod Turkish – 57,500 psi
1 Parker DD 6 Rod Turkish – 55,000 psi


It's a tough 'read' but I marked what I believe to be the ribband end welds




Little information on J.C. Grubb & Co., Philadelphia
http://www.american-firearms.com/american-firearms/z-html/company-G/Grubb,%20J.%20C.%20&%20Co/Grubb,%20J.%20C.%20&%20Co.html

8g percussion ML marked 'J.C. Grubb'

i have found a reference to the adjustable lump patent being issued in 1872....my copies of crudington & baker are packed away from my recent move, and i can't put my hands on them, or the whatley & crawford history of w & c scott....so i can't direct you to something more official.
i can tell you that the smaller screw is a keeper for the adjustment screw, which, with its eight indents, allows adjustment of the contact between the barrels and the standing breach....these guns can be brought back on face with a couple of turnscrews.

best regards,

tom

ps: i found a case you might consider - it's already monogramed for you....https://www.ebay.com/itm/305176353998?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D777008%26algo%3DPERSONAL.TOPIC%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20230811123856%26meid%3D0b1361f9613f4d0a9818e833d55b46eb%26pid%3D101770%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26itm%3D305176353998%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D4375194%26algv%3DRecentlyViewedItemsV2&_trksid=p4375194.c101770.m146925&_trkparms=parentrq%3Afcd996fc18a0a55f163a0c54ffffe668%7Cpageci%3A072d63b9-6307-11ee-8fac-82b6896dfdf1%7Ciid%3A1%7Cvlpname%3Avlp_homepage

I was adding humor,to me it was funny I like the gun I like Scotts I would like a Scott 10ga hammer gun ,and besides everyone enjoys butt plate pictures

I have a similar horn buttplate in my buttplate collection. It is resting in its oak and leather case, yes, just the buttplate.

More on Ed's Scott 10 bore: Observations:
-- Purdey Pat 1104 use number 4377. You can't date a gun by a Pat use number, at least consistently. However Pat 1104 expired on 01 May 1877 which puts at least a maximum date on it. (So Scott stamped Purdey's Patent on his guns presumably paying for it; wonder if Purdey paid Scott for using his spindle?)
-- WC Scott & Son Makers Patent Action. Not sure which Scott action this refers to but it's pretty ubiquitous on Scott guns.
-- There is one other patent stamped on the lump. "CSA? Nr 1 -28? Patent"? Can't make it out from the photos. Any hints. eeb can you see it?
-- Scott SN is 5220. It would date to 1874 per this chart:
https://doublegunshop.com/dgsnos5.htm

the rear lug features the adjustable lump and the patent that was granted to w & c scott to cover it.

best regards,

tom

Gene,

Purdey and Scott entered into a reciprocal arrangement.

“Purdeys quickly realised the superiority of the Scott top lever allied to their bolt and made a reciprocal licensing agreement with Scotts; Purdey could use the Scott lever in conjunction with their bolt and Scotts could use the Purdey bolt along with their lever. In addition Purdeys could licence the dual patent to the London gunmakers and Scotts to Birmingham and the regions. Such licences were not cheap, Purdey charged the London gunmakers £2 per gun for the right to use the Purdey bolt and Scott top lever.”

Page 121, Donald Dallas, The British Sporting Gun and Rifle.

32” barrels. Shot it today, it will break some targets. Fun stuff.