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| by Bob Cash |
| Bob Cash |
Here's a pretty scarce Model 21, 20 gauge 2 barrel set. 1950 26 and 30 inch barrels. The 26 inchers are Mod/IC and the 30's are Full/Full. Both with 3 " chambers. Nice! ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/KoQzc95.png) Factory records indicate it went back to New Haven in 1977 to be restocked and made "Factory New". So, regarding Winchester Model 21's, is Factory work looked upon any differently than say any good gunsmith restoration or even CSMC?
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| by Jimmy W |
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I wouldn’t discount a factory rejuvenation one iota if quality factory work. I have such a gun knowing it had gone back to the factory before I made the purchase. A factory rejuvenation would be worth more than a non-factory rejuvenation imho. Factory or non factory wouldn't make a damn bit of difference to me. It's the quality, not the source as far as I'm concerned. I'm always amused at folks that would pay more for a gun with factory engraving than one with better 3rd party work. Ditto for any other feature. I guess I buy the gun, not the originality. It is the same way with cars. Some people like to take a 57 Chevy and restore it to be original. Some people like to build up the engine with 1000 HP. Put on air shocks and all kinds of stuff. Both can be great. A Rudolph Kornbrath engraved gun or an Angelo Bee gun looks fantastic. Then again, maybe someone wants another specific engraver to do their gun because they worked at the factory. ......The eye of the beholder. The 57 Chevy isn't quite what I was getting at. I understand what you are saying, but imagine I took my 57 Apache out of the back shed and sent it off to be restored to showroom original condition. Is there something intrinsically better about it, if I sent it to Chevrolet instead of the best restoration shop in the country? Something that would increase its value? To me, all that would matter is the quality of the work, not who did it. But one cannot go wrong with "buy what you like". I don't buy guns to make money. I agree 100%. What I am saying is that if something makes someone happy, then that is all that should matter. Right? But now, I feel sorry for Bob Cash. He took the time to show us a sweet two barrel set Model 21 and we hijack his thread all to pieces. So, let me tell you, Bob. Your gun is awesome and I envy you all to pieces, buddy. Enjoy your gun, pardner!! And thanks for sharing..
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| by mel5141 |
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I purchased a similar 20 Bore 26 IC/Mod" & 30" F&F from a chap in Idaho via a Gunbroker ad in the summer of 2011 for slightly less than $ 8000. I shot it ( the 30" barrels almost exclusively) for 5 seasons or so, primarily on Doves.
I was never completely happy with the stock dimensions although I did have some 15 straight limits with it. I got it functional for me by gluing some leather on the comb to get a cheek weld I could make repeatable. I sent it back to Enid with George Caswell ( he was down opening the 2016 dove season here.) It moved in late 2016 and netted me the $9000 I told him I wanted. So it obviously sold for more. Condition was @ 85% not refinished , replacement Winchester duplicate pad at 14.25". I had a Cody letter on it , I believe it was an early 50's gun.
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| by Buzz |
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I wouldn’t discount a factory rejuvenation one iota if quality factory work. I have such a gun knowing it had gone back to the factory before I made the purchase. A factory rejuvenation would be worth more than a non-factory rejuvenation imho.
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| by Buzz |
| Buzz |
I wouldn’t discount a factory rejuvenation one iota if quality factory work. I have such a gun knowing it had gone back to the factory before I made the purchase. A factory rejuvenation would be worth more than a non-factory rejuvenation imho. Factory or non factory wouldn't make a damn bit of difference to me. It's the quality, not the source as far as I'm concerned. I'm always amused at folks that would pay more for a gun with factory engraving than one with better 3rd party work. Ditto for any other feature. I guess I buy the gun, not the originality. Factory records have value….no matter what you think.
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| by Bob Cash |
| Bob Cash |
…Then again, I could take a Model 21 along and use it as a boat anchor, as Pete Hyatt always called them.  So here’s my 20 gauge Model 21 sporting her 30” barrels. At 6 lbs 11 oz. I can assure you, “boat anchor” she is not. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/OnLTO2X.jpg) I have always suspected that most folks who insist on using that vernacular have little or no experience with Model 21’s or boat anchors for that matter.
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| by BrentD, Prof |
| BrentD, Prof |
I wouldn’t discount a factory rejuvenation one iota if quality factory work. I have such a gun knowing it had gone back to the factory before I made the purchase. A factory rejuvenation would be worth more than a non-factory rejuvenation imho. Factory or non factory wouldn't make a damn bit of difference to me. It's the quality, not the source as far as I'm concerned. I'm always amused at folks that would pay more for a gun with factory engraving than one with better 3rd party work. Ditto for any other feature. I guess I buy the gun, not the originality. It is the same way with cars. Some people like to take a 57 Chevy and restore it to be original. Some people like to build up the engine with 1000 HP. Put on air shocks and all kinds of stuff. Both can be great. A Rudolph Kornbrath engraved gun or an Angelo Bee gun looks fantastic. Then again, maybe someone wants another specific engraver to do their gun because they worked at the factory. ......The eye of the beholder. The 57 Chevy isn't quite what I was getting at. I understand what you are saying, but imagine I took my 57 Apache out of the back shed and sent it off to be restored to showroom original condition. Is there something intrinsically better about it, if I sent it to Chevrolet instead of the best restoration shop in the country? Something that would increase its value? To me, all that would matter is the quality of the work, not who did it. But one cannot go wrong with "buy what you like". I don't buy guns to make money.
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