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Has anyone used either Vintage Firearms or Bachelors (boty in Grand Rapids MI) for classic shotgun mechanical work? I had Bachelors re brown a set of Damascus tubes years ago, but now need a single trigger looked at. And possibly chokes opened up a bit. Either of these shops is within driving distance which is why I'm considering them, I don't particularly wish to trust this double to the Post.... I like it too much

Your defendant is Jay not ray.

Where there's smoke...

I actually felt bad for you once.

Why is this not an appropriate place to air legitimate grievances about gunsmiths and gun dealers, Ed? I can hardly think of a better place.....one filled with knowledgeable gun people.

This is an axe you like to grind, Ed and you are just wrong. Your position as a gun dealer clouds and compromises your opinion.

If Bobby said he had that experience, we should believe him and act accordingly. Just as we do when at other times, when dealers and smiths are highly praised.....including Jay and Vintage Firearms.

As an aside, I've had many conversations with Bobby and in fact was trading emails with him this morning. He is a stand up guy, as anyone who has attended his hunt camp will attest.

What a bunch of horseshit Ed.

Just curious…..where do you think an appropriate place would be for such airings.

Edd, try not being a moron

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bill

I have had very BAD experience with Vintage Firearms of Grand Rapids (Jay Shachter).

I sent a cased double shotgun to be on consignment for sale with them. There were no cracks in the forend wood when they received it. There was no correspondence by them or mention to me about any cracks or wood issues at any time.

They had my gun for over two years without selling it. I agreed to lower the price a couple times to generate interest.

When I requested return of the gun, I received an invoice for wood repairs along with being billed for expenses for them taking photos and listing on his website (which was never discussed previously) totaling just under $1000!

I paid the bill under protest with Jay just to get my gun returned.

When I received the gun, it's hard case was not included, only the gun alone. I called about it. They said they couldn't find it.

Beware if you consider doing any business with them.

Put a sock in it, ed.


Best,
Ted

Thanks Ted.

This is a double gun forum, ed. It is a site for the sharing of information related to double guns. It is not a glossy catalog of your, or anyone else’s wares that are to not be questioned.

Bobby has a lot of friends that speak very highly of him. I’m not on that long list, but, I could be, I suppose. Still, I don’t doubt a word he has posted. It is only a cheap shot if it isn’t true, ed. I know dealers that operate exactly as Bobby described.

Best,
Ted

Ed, did you read the details? “Paid under protest”. That suggests a conversation. Bobby received his gun back. No case. They told him they couldn’t find it. That suggests another conversation.

You write “grown men of good will”. That’s Bobby’s point…….in his experience he wasn’t dealing with a grown man of good will.

Put a sock in it, ed.

Best,
Ted

I stopped by a few times at the Vintage Firearms tables at a couple of the Spring Southern SxS in Sanford, NC several years ago. I got the sense one could easily get sh*tted by them. His descriptions on his gun ads are way too ostentatious for me as well.
JR

I vote for Vintage Firearms I bought multiple American shotguns from them. They told me about the work they did, and what was wrong with them and i still can't see it... I wish they didn't tell me.

Maybe they didn't really do anything? Could it be?

It was a fictitious example of how you oftentimes go off on some unrelated tangent from the subject at hand. I'm not going to go hunt for the "coordinates". And it's not intended with malice, just hoping to get you away from doing it. We're all somewhat guilty of it, it just seems you're a chronic repeat offender. I don't think it matters in the greater scheme of things...
JR