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by Argo44
Sam Shiller, the confidant and agent for Cyril Adams, sent this advertisement for a 4 bore SxS under-lever Reilly shotgun SN 15625 (dated per my chart to 1869). This is George L's shotgun from this board advertised a few years ago at $50K! And this gun is almost unique. It was originally a pin-fire converted to center fire:
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The starting bid price is $4K, almost unbelievable.

Here is the DGS line about the gun:

And here is the 2009 thread when George L. bought it...look at the West Tennessee guy's insulting comments at the time - he was a jerk then, he was wrong then, oh change.

I'm wondering about George's health. Haven't heard from him for awhile...he was selling off his collection a couple of years ago after the death of his daughter.
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by Parabola
The case wall of a 4-bore paper case is relatively thick, perhaps twice or more than that of a paper 12 bore case.

I think you will find that, to better match the interior diameter of the case to be used, 4 bore guns built for paper cases were made with smaller bore diameters than 4 bores which were built for brass cases.
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by KY Jon
KY Jon
George never wanted to sell it at the time. I recall he had 7-8,000 in it after the restoration. The estimated value is 8-12,000. His 50,000 I think was as much a joke to himself as to many others. There was a lot of discussion about what it started out as and if it was safe to shoot. Always a subjective and personal thing to me. Hope it does well. It was well worth restoring from its sad state.
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by SKB
It it was likely originally a 8 bore brass case gun chambered for at least a 3&1/8" cartridge. None of my books show an example of a 6 bore cartridge gun. It may very well have been a smooth bore ball gun, the 36" tubes would be very long for a rifle. The bolted safeties look original to the gun.

Do we know the actual weight of the rifle? I believe 29 pnds is incorrect.

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by Imperdix
This shows why our Proof laws exist!!! That gun would be unsaleable and so it should be.
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by pamtnman
Looking more closely at the online photos of this gun, the extractor and surrounding metal is heavily pitted. Yet the chambers and bores are like new. This points to a very recent re-bore, probably because the original 8-bore bores looked like the extractor, all pitted. Which made the gun a lot less attractive. None of this is disclosed or even hinted at in the auction description. Buyer beware. What a lesson
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