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#594320 03/23/2021 1:06 AM
by SKB
SKB
The news is reporting at least 6 dead in Boulder tonight including a Boulder Police Officer in a mass shooting at a King Soopers. A dear friend shops in that store and boy was I relieved when he answered the phone. Too early to know many details but sure is sad for the those lost and the families left behind.
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#594379 Mar 23rd a 08:51 PM
by DAM16SXS
DAM16SXS
Accuse me of profiling if you wish but his history of mental instability along with his name, Ahmed Al Aliwi Alissa, sure gives me pause and makes me ask How in Hell did this guy fall through the background checks cracks?!?!
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#594347 Mar 23rd a 02:23 PM
by dogon
dogon
I won't speculate on the shooters motives because it's way to early to know anything in this regard. Being a life long Coloradan. I will say we've had way more than our share of these mass shooting here!! I wish I had an answer for why people decide to do this type of thing!

My heart reaches out to the cop, the other nine people killed & their families who are the victims of this senseless tragedy!! May Gods blessing be with them to help them though these hard times!!
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#594397 Mar 23rd a 11:15 PM
by Run With The Fox
Run With The Fox
We, as responsible gun owners, need to endorse more racial profiling, especially these ragheaded terorists that caused 911, and keep on pushing their Jihad based hatred of white Christian Americans--Why and how do they get into America in the first place. And Deano is spot on- how in the blue bonnet hell did this mentally unbalanced idiot pass background checks in Colorado? Biden and his followers forget one basic fact in their haste to ban weapons- what about the millions of firearms and ammunitions already owned and legally possessed by Americans-- ?? does sleepy Joe plan to do a "Hitler" and send out BATFE troops to break down doors and grab them from the hands of law abiding white Christian American citizens? Good Lord, I hope not- if that's Biden's plan, that illegal action )2nd. Amendment withstanding) then Katie bar the door- "From my Cold dead hands" --
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#594383 Mar 23rd a 09:06 PM
by keith
keith
Originally Posted by SKB
Paul,
just one minor point of correction, our background check system is far better here in CO using the CBI than most other states using the FBI. Over the last several weeks background checks have been taking between 5 minutes and a couple of hours. I have run two recently that have went right through.

Steve


I have never had a NICS background check take more than 5 minutes. Never.

But I'm certain that will change if the anti-gun Democrats have their way. Democrats love having these mass shootings because they use them to push their agenda, which is to eventually eliminate the 2nd Amendment. They only know how to blame our guns.... even though guns have been around far longer than the relatively recent phenomena of mass shootings.
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#594375 Mar 23rd a 08:02 PM
by dogon
dogon
Much more to the story than just domestic terrorism. The reporting so far is indicating some form of known mental illness which dates back to his high school days. This guy was known & on the radar of local law enforcement & the FBI. It wasn't his first rodeo in this regard.

Predictably the Commiecrats are already calling for more gun control and Biden is calling for the swift passage of the gun control legislation currently moving through the house. Here's a link for a quick snap shot of where things stand at present.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...a-week-earlier/ar-BB1eT4uX?ocid=msedgdhp

Some facts to keep in mind when you see or hear the politicians & talking heads about this shooting. There are many gun laws in Colorado which have been enacted in the years since the Columbine & other shootings. Many of these are the same as the ones being called for by Biden & his Commiecrat comrades.

Here's the short list:

1. Colorado has universal background checks on all gun sales & transfers with the exception of some forms of family to family member transfers.
2. We have an instant background check system which has had up to a two week backlog for over a year now. So in effect we have had a waiting period for purchases due to the backlogged background checks waiting to be processed.
3. We have a red flag law which allows your guns to be confiscated if someone turns you in thinking you are a possible threat of some sort & a judge approves the confiscation.
4. The city of Boulder has a local ban on possession of so called assault weapons. I believe this is currently on a court ordered injunction due to possible constitutional issues with it.
5. We have a magazine capacity limit of ten rounds.
6. None of these measures prevented this shooting!!!

We now have some additional gun legislation currently moving through the state house.
1. Required safe storage of all firearms in your home.
2. Require trigger locks for all gun sales & transfers.
3. A required waiting period for all gun sales.
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#594367 Mar 23rd a 06:31 PM
by KY Jon
KY Jon
Can this really be just about our Presidents recent bombing and killing a single person in Syria? Revenge?
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#594411 Mar 24th a 01:50 PM
by Geo. Newbern
Geo. Newbern
Lefty States like New York have done a marvelous job of reducing the credibility of our political voice, the National Rifle Association. That political voice and our 2nd Amendment are the difference between us and the rest of the world. It seems clear that some of our entrenched NRA leaders bear much of the blame for the present situation, but as gun owners we must all stick together in support of our last best Second Amendment political voice. Join, for life...Geo
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#594405 Mar 24th a 06:01 AM
by KY Jon
KY Jon
If the war on guns goes like the war on drugs we are all going to need bigger gun safes. I was once worried about the lefts gun confiscation scheme, but no longer. Canada gave up on just trying to register guns in a computer system and Canadians are a lot more inclined to respect laws they consider silly. And they would need to go search every house, in the country, because there is no computer records of who has what in the US. It would be physically impossible to go door to door and collect every gun. If you consider owners would meekly turn over their guns you are kidding yourself in several million cases. Maybe tens of millions of cases. Just never going to happen. Going door to door would take years if not decades and who is to say if those guns would remain in place very long. So rechecking would be needed in millions of houses which would extend it even longer. The entire military and law enforcement combined are not going to be large enough to do it.

As long as we have a Supreme Court filled with justices who interpret the Constitution based on what was intended and not what they think they ought to have done back then, based on the liberal agenda of today we should be OK. But what are they going to do if they ban guns and 25 million gun owner flat out refuse to comply? I learned years ago in the service to never give an order which is impossible to carry out. I do not think passing a law, which would be impossible to enforce, is going to work out well for them. Prohibition failed and they passed a Constitutional Amendment to try it and it still failed miserably. Just passing a law is not going to work at all. 300 million guns out there, estimated 10 million AR15 type guns. That genie is never going to be put back into the bottle.

I love the attempt to ban large capacity clips, like that would make a real difference. Fully loaded, large capacity clips, are more prone to feeding issues than multiple lower capacity clips. Plus the time difference between shooting 30 rounds out of one clip or 30 rounds out of three clips is almost zero. But it sounds good to people who do not know. It is a straw-man argument created to make them feel like they are accomplishing something. End of rant.
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#594406 Mar 24th a 11:23 AM
by craigd
craigd
Originally Posted by KY Jon
....I was once worried about the lefts gun confiscation scheme, but no longer. Canada gave up on just trying to register guns in a computer system and Canadians are a lot more inclined to respect laws they consider silly. And they would need to go search every house, in the country, because there is no computer records of who has what in the US. It would be physically impossible to go door to door and collect every gun. If you consider owners would meekly turn over their guns you are kidding yourself in several million cases. Maybe tens of millions of cases. Just never going to happen. Going door to door would take years if not decades and who is to say if those guns would remain in place very long. So rechecking would be needed in millions of houses which would extend it even longer. The entire military and law enforcement combined are not going to be large enough to do it....
If the left is challenged with going door to door, there certainly might be a willingness on a selective basis for messaging. If they are willing to work at it for decades, haven't they already started. Isn't anyone who would've been one day underage, a criminal if they are in possession, but don't have a background check. I suppose the answer is no based on zip code, gang affiliation, and immigration status.

Isn't there a distinct effort to politicize the military and law enforcement. Aren't members who have expressed past leanings towards the right being purged. Isn't there plenty of registration available to document constitutionally taxing the ten plus round magazines that were sold with them. Aren't we much more likely to see letters in the mail and flags on background checks, rather than knocks on the door. All they need is an IT department?
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