Imagine, when you "put the lights out" on a doe, that you are standing in the surf dipping water into a 55 gallon drum with a thimble. That's the effect killing them (on permits) have on the overall population. Difference is that you can dip water out of the ocean in the daytime.......... you have to stay up late to shoot deer during the night, then have to work 10-12 hours the next day. It sounds like fun, but it ain't.