Originally Posted by Jimmy W
Originally Posted by Tim in PA
You know, I realize nothing myself, or anyone else here can say will change your mind. I was trying to come up with something that would at least make you think a little bit and consider an opposing position. I could point out graphs, like Al Gores, that while maybe accurate, are misleading. I could show you evidence of far warmer climate in holocene history, but I realize again, you would just ignore it.

Your polar bear argument is a good example. The "experts" claimed the bears would go extinct. Instead of going extinct, the population has risen. How do you explain that? Easy, you nonchalantly dismiss it by saying the "experts" didn't know what they were talking about. Great defense, think about that.

Mark Twain said it is easier to fool someone than it is to convince them they've been fooled.

The problem with this whole climate change trainwreck is that you have multiple large pieces at play, all pushing us into a disastrous, non weather related future, by advancing this narrative.

Countries, think China, that stand to gain a great deal of wealth, power and influence.
Politicians and bureaucrats, think EU and WEF, that stand to gain a great deal of control, power and wealth.
Scientists, too arrogant and self-consumed to admit they don't know everything, or maybe just activist, that stand to gain in their careers and influence.
And then you have the everyday tools, the "useful idiots" who need some cause to believe in, and will cheerfully supply the rope to the above mentioned parties to hang them with.

I was reading the, Big Three, sporting magazines back in the 70's through the 90's. They started environmental columns and articles back then, preaching gloom and doom. I doubt if 1% of their predictions ever came to pass. That's how it works. People politically inclined to the left have the memories of a flea. Some "scientist" says the world will starve to death in the year 2000 and the believers all run around with their hair on fire. 2000 comes and goes, everyone's fat, and the believers forget. And then someone says Tuvalu will be swallowed up by a rising Pacific in 3 years, and everyone's hair is on fire again. 3 years later Tuvalu has grown in land mass and the fleas move on to the next existential crisis. So it goes. I guess just keep your eyes closed and enjoy your crusade.
Something else, I'll be glad (as would anyone else) to see any proof to back up what you say. I have given you names, companies, people who are considered knowledgeable in their fields to back up what I passed along. I'd be glad to look at the proof you have on anything. Throwing useless blather into a conversation doesn't prove anything on your part. I would love to hear where you get your facts and who from, exactly. I gave you the name of the person who commented on the polar bear population. So, how do YOU explain your statements. The bible is only 6,000 years old. I gave you scientific evidence from 650,000 years ago. Don't just say, "SOME BOOK BACK IN 1970" . What book exactly? Show us the article. I would love to see it. I gave you recent data from a month ago.


What does the Bible have to do with anything I said? I don't want to go there, but I will say this, Stan is right, and all the answers are found in the Bible. And no, I don't think the world is flat and 6,000 years old.

My old laptop crashed, along with it a lot of saved information I no longer have saved. Looking this stuff up, and debating online, quite frankly, hurts my head, I don't have the temperament for this. It's especially painful considering I'm doing this for nothing, you are too rabid to consider anything that doesn't agree with the narrative, but I'll humor you, here are some links. Some are predictions, and some are articles showing the world was a warmer place in our not too distant past, Al Gore and his graphs, notwithstanding.

But maybe you can humor me, and talk about some of the political consequences I alluded to.


[img]https://www.independent.co.uk/clima...-ross-ice-shelf-scott-coast-b691484.html[/img]
[img]https://www.livescience.com/ancient-bog-beetles-england.html[/img]
[img]https://www.accuweather.com/en/clim...rthed-as-europes-drought-worsens/1232070[/img]
[img]https://www.livescience.com/4702-melting-glacier-reveals-ancient-tree-stumps.html[/img]
[img]https://www.greenmatters.com/p/tuvalu-sinking[/img]
[img]https://www.sciencealert.com/pacific-island-nation-expected-to-sink-is-getting-bigger[/img]
[img]https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/18-s...rth-day-in-1970-expect-more-this-year-2/[/img]